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ReidRansom posted:I'd agree with that. She should have been fired after 2012, despite Obama's win, it was the correct time.
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Yeah regardless of if Bernie's staff was in the wrong (which is sounds like they were) the optics of this look like it's confirming DNC favoritism. I'm not sure why they felt the need to handle it this way when Bernie is almost certainly going to lose the primary anyway and start more stupid intra-party bickering.
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greatn posted:The DNC should have handled this quietly and internally. Any general election votes they lose to bitter Bernie fans is their own fault.
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SnakePlissken posted:Sounds like the provider of the database was obviously at fault. And looks like DNC has subsequently mishandled this situation pretty handsomely. This is making mountains out of molehills in the press. Never underestimate the blue team's ability to wrest failure from the jaws of victory. Commence circular firing squad you dingbats. You say that as if something like this makes a difference to any significant number of voters. Nobody is going to care about database encryption or private email servers when we have actual presidential candidates calling for a Muslim registry. The only reason this is getting press is because the media is hungry for a Democratic scandal to counterbalance the Republican zoo.
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Nonsense posted:She should have been fired after 2012, despite Obama's win, it was the correct time. Or after the stomping in 2014, or really at any time in between.
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Dec 18, 2015 20:48
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Nonsense posted:She should have been fired after 2012, despite Obama's win, it was the correct time.
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Nonsense posted:She should have been fired after 2012, despite Obama's win, it was the correct time. I mean if we're going to fire Howard Dean after we win the presidency, governorships, a supermajority and wife congressional majority in 2008, we should definitely fire DWS for winning much less.
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Phelddagrif posted:The only reason this is getting press is because the media is hungry for a Democratic scandal to counterbalance the Republican zoo. well also there's a bunch of really excitable sanders supporters who are going to drive a ton of pageviews as they repost news articles so they can complain about the lamestream media
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JT Jag posted:She threatened to burn it all down and publicly accuse him of antisemitism and sexism if he did and he didn't want that headache at the time. He probably regrets it. Seriously? Got an article on that?
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Dec 18, 2015 20:50
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Turns out Obama is one dumb motherfucker:quote:In his meeting with the columnists, Mr. Obama indicated that he did not see enough cable television to fully appreciate the anxiety after the attacks in Paris and San Bernardino, and made clear that he plans to step up his public arguments. Quoted from a NY Times article, which said quote was then removed without explanation, only to be explained away after being caught editing the article as 'spacing reasons'. Dumb motherfuckers everywhere.
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Dec 18, 2015 20:51
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Eschers Basement posted:Because: quote:B.) historically, most movements in the U.S. that have had success in promoting class issues have only succeeded when they agreed to sell out any sort of representation of minority issues (see: New Deal) so when you say "maybe minority rights aren't as important" there's a path you're going down that everyone knows you're going to go down eventually and whining about "wow you guys are so mean" rather than explaining what minority issues the dems should drop isn't helping Remember in 2009 how the democrats were going to have to throw the gays under the bus, because blacks and Latinos hated them? Remember in 1972 how democrats were going to be the party of blacks and working class whites, because upperclass urban liberals were too racist and the workers had class sensibilities? Remember in 1968 how pro-life Catholics were going to be isolated because evangelicals were the dominant force in politics and they supported abortion? You are pathologizing beliefs and then assuming the identities you have associated with them are intrinsic and in opposition. Which isn't remotely true. Ideological adoption is a function of organizing. Organizing ideologies are a result of power balance within the organization. By shifting either of those you change the status quo, and nullify the basis for your declarations. That's why the status quo is the status quo btw - the GOP developed the "red state strategy" plan in 2000 and has been organizing ever since to lock in a polarized base.
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Although, it turned out Hillary is 44 amounted to nothing so I wouldn't expect a Bernie is 45 movement to do much damage either especially with Bernie probably enthusiastically campaigning for her.
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JT Jag posted:She threatened to burn it all down and publicly accuse him of antisemitism and sexism if he did and he didn't want that headache at the time. He probably regrets it. Was searching around for sources for that (just curious) and found this rumor suggesting the Dems were ready to toss her out in 2012, I guess her threats are what kept her in despite all the clothing payments stuff? Or maybe her Valerie Jarrett connection?
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That explains why he shifted tone lately with "we all just want to protect the people we love, blah blah", he really did completely misjudge the mood of the country. That said, the mood of the country is unacceptable and cruel.
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theblackw0lf posted:Seriously? Got an article on that? http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/senate-bid-could-be-solution-for-wasserman-schultz-115373 quote:Wasserman Schultz has a different sense of herself. According to people who spoke with her, when she sensed Obama was considering replacing her as chair in 2013, she began to line up supporters to suggest the move was both anti-woman and anti-Semitic.
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ReidRansom posted:http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/senate-bid-could-be-solution-for-wasserman-schultz-115373 Politician doesn't want to lose power and prestige, tape at 11.
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ReidRansom posted:http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/senate-bid-could-be-solution-for-wasserman-schultz-115373 Interesting, thanks! She seems to have enough connections in the party to just keep hanging on, unfortunately.
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Mulva posted:Politician doesn't want to lose power and prestige, tape at 11. Her prestige is in the toilet considering Dem losses under her tenure.
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Nonsense posted:That explains why he shifted tone lately with "we all just want to protect the people we love, blah blah", he really did completely misjudge the mood of the country. That said, the mood of the country is unacceptable and cruel. Obama, once again, underestimating the American public
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Zelder posted:Obama, once again, underestimating the American public i think you mean overestimating
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Mulva posted:Politician doesn't want to lose power and prestige, tape at 11. Doesn't make it OK. "I should be allowed to suck at my job because I'm a woman and a Jew". Wow, brilliant argument there, lady.
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Dec 18, 2015 20:58
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Tobermory posted:Dang, didn't see it posted earlier. But yes. These are people threatening to murder children for being exposed to Arabic calligraphy. Nobody tell them about the numerical system we use. 
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Zelder posted:Obama, once again, underestimating the American public Hey man, I don't think you understand how complex cable television is. Screens and signals and light waves or some poo poo, and then you have to watch it? The president is only human!
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:The DNC's handling of the data breach situation has been awful. You expect them to come groveling to you begging for forgiveness, like campaigns do when FEC notices irregularities in their reports.
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Dec 18, 2015 21:01
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Marco Rubio on Skipping Budget Vote: "In Essence, Not Voting for It Is a Vote against It" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlFitUAEoPU
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i think you mean overestimating Underestimating how cruel the American populace is? Or I guess overestimating our capacity for empathy
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Hey man, I don't think you understand how complex cable television is. Screens and signals and light waves or some poo poo, and then you have to watch it? The president is only human! Considering how lovely cable news is, I'm actually quite happy that the president doesn't waste his time sitting around watching it.
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Zelder posted:Underestimating how cruel the American populace is? Or I guess overestimating our capacity for empathy right it is a wave of empathy causing arson attacks on mosques
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Muscle Tracer posted:"does anyone want to adopt this strawman I'm desperately tilting against? anyone?" No, it's pretty loving accurate. People are treating the way poor and rural whites vote and the ideology they vote for as intrinsic, that bringing them in means that we need to take on their beliefs and reject ours, because their beliefs are fixed (rather than being the result of organizing by the opposition, then reinforcement, and association once they are in the community) Translate that to the other side and it means that being on the moral side of civil rights is also intrinsic, and the upperclass urban liberals of the modern democratic coalition were onboard with rightness of the civil rights cause and adopted their current position because they have enlightened understanding and empathy. The real answer is that everyone is out for themselves , and in the democrats minorities and other groups just happen to be powerful enough to demand a seat at the table when the plans are drawn up and then can negotiate to get what they want as part of the platform, messaging, legislative agenda, and funding. If there was a similarly composition to the GOP you'd see it similarly play there the way it does for the Dems. If the Dems started organizing a chunk of poor and rural whites you would not see the existing blocks wiped from the table, they are too large. But you would peel away the GOP base weakening them and preserving our legislative accomplishments while making the eventual electoral defeat less of a disaster.
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Considering that the fired staffer is on record saying that he deliberately accessed and recorded information to show that it was possible, not sure how this really holds up. Unless you want to accuse them of entrapment. Still, that's troubling evidence that the most important data tracking system for the Democratic Party is not impartial.
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Things just got more interesting (probably bad for Sanders): http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sanders-staffers-clinton-data-saved-files quote:Four members of Sen. Bernie Sanders' (I-VT) presidential campaign this week conducted searches of data stored by Hillary Clinton's campaign and saved some of the files, according to reports from the Associated Press and NBC News.
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My Imaginary GF posted:You expect them to come groveling to you begging for forgiveness, like campaigns do when FEC notices irregularities in their reports. Hahaha hahaha oh come on, try harder
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Trabisnikof posted:right it is a wave of empathy causing arson attacks on mosques Am I totally getting mixed up over here Am I having a stroke
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Fried Chicken posted:Are you going to win 100% of their support now and forever? Are you going to win every election here on out? Are your 75% distributed in a way that you don't leave vast chunks of the nation to the opposition? Does your base have zero overlapping issues with those people? I'm responding to a person who said, "Why are you responding to minority issues when you should be responding to the issues of poor white people", so the historical context was already loving stripped. I don't know who pissed in your goddamned Cheerios this morning, but if you're taking umbrage that I'm not responding with nuance and detailed critiques to someone saying, "man I wish you guys would talk less about what those minorities want" and then to someone else saying "only we socialists ever knew what it was like to fight for the black man", I really don't know what to tell you. quote:You are pathologizing beliefs and then assuming the identities you have associated with them are intrinsic and in opposition. Which isn't remotely true. Ideological adoption is a function of organizing. Organizing ideologies are a result of power balance within the organization. By shifting either of those you change the status quo, and nullify the basis for your declarations. That's why the status quo is the status quo btw - the GOP developed the "red state strategy" plan in 2000 and has been organizing ever since to lock in a polarized base. The conservative elements in the South developed the "pit the white peckerwoods in the hills against the n*****s and convince them to vote against their own interests to keep blacks down" in about 1840 and has been organizing around that for about 180 years. I apologize that I'm not ready to jump on your bandwagon that organizing against this trend is an effective use of my time.
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ReidRansom posted:http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/senate-bid-could-be-solution-for-wasserman-schultz-115373 oh good victimhood emotional blackmail. what a wonderful person schultz is. just what the democratic party needs. Mitt Romney posted:Things just got more interesting (probably bad for Sanders): so they hid poo poo when the bug was discovered. fun times. MariusLecter posted:Marco Rubio on Skipping Budget Vote: "In Essence, Not Voting for It Is a Vote against It" and now he just pissed away even more conservative voters. he sounds like he going to start plummeting like JEB!! soon.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:oh good victimhood emotional blackmail. what a wonderful person schultz is. just what the democratic party needs. It speaks volumes to the culture of the Sanders campaign; I'm beginning to wonder if Sanders or his campaign director told these staffers to use Clinton data.
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Obama lets the media set the tone yet again. The war on terror is good business for sensational media and defense budgets - TV sets the mood it does not reflect it.
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My Imaginary GF posted:It speaks volumes to the culture of the Sanders campaign; I'm beginning to wonder if Sanders or his campaign director told these staffers to use Clinton data. Sanders is selling it to the Iranians for Mexican guns.
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GalacticAcid posted:Nice burn, except that economic issues are disproportionately minority issues given the structures of racism that have kept black and brown people poor through the decades. Cool unfounded intimation of racism though! Gosh you mean that since economic issues hit minority communities at r Muscle Tracer posted:Gosh, where could that idea have come from? because poor nonwhites are already nominally in the coalition?
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