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Trabisnikof posted:Or there's an alternative explanation that this isn't a grand conspiracy? Instead an overreaction from an organization that's not known for its technical knowhow. Watergate comes to mind quickly and that comparison sheds light on the response. And I'm a Hillary supporter, by the way, converted from supporting Sanders before any of this went down.
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The Iron Rose posted:From an insider friend of mine who organizes fieldwork for campaigns. well this wont end well. i guess the worst that can happen is the dems lose a bunch of hipsters.
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Kilroy posted:I'm not suggesting that there is a conspiracy, and I don't think there is a conspiracy. Rather, I think DWS has her head so far up Hillary's rear end in a top hat that there need not be any conspiracy, and that she gravely miscalculated here and probably the Clinton campaign is nearly as pissed off about this as any Bernie supporter. I completely agree. It's a difficult decision though- they have to be punished some how. I hope that the access is quietly restored tonight or early AM and then the issue primarily becomes about the stolen voter data. Shutting off the access for any long-term period would definitely hurt the Democratic party (and Clinton), regardless of the severity of what happened.
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im getting reports that Abis Mal has offered to serve in an advisory role to the interim Agrabahian government
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Mitt Romney posted:I completely agree. It's a difficult decision though- they have to be punished some how. I hope that the access is quietly restored tonight or early AM and then the issue primarily becomes about the stolen voter data. Yup, a sanction of some sort is in order, but the DNC directing the vendor to breech the contract and then having DWS go on CNN to spin on this is just total incompetence.
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Joementum posted:I should be mad at him for using his Twitter account for pure trolling, but he's really good at it. Speaking of living in a fantasy land, a moment of Morris: quote:Money Doesn’t Matter
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Joementum posted:Yup, a sanction of some sort is in order, but the DNC directing the vendor to breech the contract and then having DWS go on CNN to spin on this is just total incompetence. I doubt it's an actual breach of the contract. The provision that Sanders campaign is pointing to is about termination of the entire agreement, not about specific services, and not having seen the entirety, most data services contracts include cutoff provisions for misuse or misaccess. (Besides, their remedy for breach of contract - say, by not providing access to data - is to send a letter and wait 10 days for cure, according to them.)
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Considering that Clinton and Sanders are both running to in part be the leader of the Democratic party, I don't think either are of them are showing great leadership qualities right now. Can't help but wonder how Obama would have handled this. theblackw0lf fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Dec 19, 2015 00:59
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The Iron Rose posted:From an insider friend of mine who organizes fieldwork for campaigns. Not surprising for an organization that attracts techbros.
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theblackw0lf posted:Considering that Clinton and Sanders are both running to in part be the leader of the Democratic party, I don't think either are of them are showing great leadership qualities right now. O'Malley looks off into the distance, "it's time."
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Mulva posted:Not surprising for an organization that attracts techbros. Since I'm shocked no one has posted it yet, the staffer who got fired: 
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Kalman posted:Since I'm shocked no one has posted it yet, the staffer who got fired: Of COURSE that's his picture. It's almost as perfect as Trump's doctor.
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Kalman posted:Since I'm shocked no one has posted it yet, the staffer who got fired: dude is working for the wrong campaign imo
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Aliquid posted:dude is working for the wrong campaign imo Lessig's already shut down.
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ReidRansom posted:http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/senate-bid-could-be-solution-for-wasserman-schultz-115373 Ugh on one hand it'd finally get Florida Dems to run someone other than Crist and Sink. Otoh it's loving DWS who would lose worse than either
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Kalman posted:Since I'm shocked no one has posted it yet, the staffer who got fired: He had to help the Bernie revolution stop the 1% by any means. It's not wrong when my side does it for a good cause!
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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This is the audit list that shows Sanders staffer "rdrapkinNH" searching and saving Clinton data lists http://www.scribd.com/doc/293643104/Sanders-Campaign-Audit-Sheet-1 More http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-campaign-penalized-dnc-after-improperly-accessing-clinton-voter-n482341 quote:... A series of documents outlining an audit trail maintained by the database company, obtained and reviewed by NBC News, shows that the four individuals spent a total of about 40 minutes conducting searches of the Clinton data. Those searches included terms that point to Sanders' team gaining access to proprietary lists from more than 10 early voting states of Clinton's likely supporters as well as lists for Sanders backers. That data was saved to personal folders.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Ugh on one hand it'd finally get Florida Dems to run someone other than Crist and Sink. Bring back Dean.
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theblackw0lf posted:This is the audit list that shows Sanders staffer "rdrapkinNH" searching and saving Clinton data lists It's kinda sad that this software has better audit trails than many voting machines.
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The Iron Rose posted:From an insider friend of mine who organizes fieldwork for campaigns. Could you ask what your friend means when he or she says, "Sanders' shady operation?"
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It's time to go nuclear. Now's not the time to play the "let's talk about the issues" game. It's time for all-out war. On her character. Everything. I hope Bernie unleashes everyone in his campaign that wants to do that and tells them to go wild.
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Naga Warlord posted:Could you ask what your friend means when he or she says, "Sanders' shady operation?" Presumably, specifically those dudes who just got caught?
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Naga Warlord posted:Could you ask what your friend means when he or she says, "Sanders' shady operation?" It's just a den of thievery, common knowledge at this point. 
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Gail Wynand posted:It's time to go nuclear. Now's not the time to play the "let's talk about the issues" game. It's time for all-out war. On her character. Everything. I hope Bernie unleashes everyone in his campaign that wants to do that and tells them to go wild. You really want Fallout to be real don't you?
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Gail Wynand posted:It's time to go nuclear. Now's not the time to play the "let's talk about the issues" game. It's time for all-out war. On her character. Everything. I hope Bernie unleashes everyone in his campaign that wants to do that and tells them to go wild. Source your quotes
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Trabisnikof posted:Source your quotes It's /r/sandersforpresident
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Welp! (Hillary's Press Secretary)
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Kalman posted:Since I'm shocked no one has posted it yet, the staffer who got fired: Is his hair also coming out of his pocket?
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Man, the debate tomorrow night is going to be drat entertaining.
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So since permanently cutting off access is giving a campaign a death sentence, and which I would pray to God DWS would want to avoid doing, what kind of punishment can actually be leveled against a campaign? Can they be fined?
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Freakazoid_ posted:The primaries are no longer about finding an acceptable candidate we can all agree on, but a circus act for all walks of life on the internet to extract schadenfreude from whomever they think the losing side will be. We have no idea who we're really electing anymore, only our thirst for psychological bloodlust matters. Planet Earth about to be recycled It sounds like there was a glitch and the longhair decided to take advantage of it before it was fixed - so now the Hillary campaign is going to attack Bernie on property rights The axe must be laid at the root of the tree - we are all in this together.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:So since permanently cutting off access is giving a campaign a death sentence, and which I would pray to God DWS would want to avoid doing, what kind of punishment can actually be leveled against a campaign? Can they be fined? Well couldn't a fine be spun as forcing Sanders to give money to the Hillary campaign before he loses?
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fishmech posted:Well couldn't a fine be spun as forcing Sanders to give money to the Hillary campaign before he loses? When Bernie loses the primary don't all his funds raised go into general coffers? Just like how the voter databases become fungible. Mc Do Well fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Maybe roll back Sander's data to the day of the breech? That would probably be a campaign death sentence in all but name though.
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Dean delivered the Presidency and several governers in states Dems haven't won in years and that wasn't good enough,but Debbie cost Dems the house until at least 2020 with her lovely as GOTV efforts. Why is she not gone yet? The gently caress? The DNC needs to get it poo poo together if this is how they're going to act unless Trump or Carson wins (carson's not but trump has a non 0 chance I guess) They're going to lose. Honestly the Democratic party is more likely to shake up than the Republicans think about it. They don't have the house or Senate, most of their victories are through the judiciary, because tea partiers sabotages themselves or executive orders not the legislator. And they can't even think about controlling the house until the next census barring some huge sweep that would be the death knell of a party for a generation in any other scenario but would only barely get them the house in these case. I mean seriously ugh get your poo poo together .
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Shifty Pony posted:Maybe roll back Sander's data to the day of the breech? That would probably be a campaign death sentence in all but name though. The breach was Wednesday.
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McDowell posted:When Bernie loses the primary don't all his funds raised go into general coffers? Just like how the voter databases becomes fungible. Well, the candidates are to choose how much they put into general coffers, and how much they choose to give directly to fellow party member campaigns, iiirc. So if he really wants to make sure the Democratic challenger in Texas district #23 gets a lot of help, he can transfer that money.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:So since permanently cutting off access is giving a campaign a death sentence, and which I would pray to God DWS would want to avoid doing, what kind of punishment can actually be leveled against a campaign? Can they be fined? I don't see why the Sanders campaign would need to be punished, it was clearly the mistake of a specific individual, and they've fired him. As far as I'm concerned the DNC has exactly the right approach here: The Sanders campaign can regain access as soon as it can show that it no longer has any misbegotten data. A slap on the wrist to be sure, but that's all that it required. We're all friends here after all, in spite of the opinions of a few folks who seem to want to go to war with each other just like the Republicans have been.
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DeusExMachinima posted:He had to help the Bernie revolution stop the 1% by any means. It's not wrong when my side does it for a good cause! Explain to us why we should continue to have such a high wealth gap. Be clear, and stop poo poo posting. SirKibbles posted:Dean delivered the Presidency and several governers in states Dems haven't won in years and that wasn't good enough,but Debbie cost Dems the house until at least 2020 with her lovely as GOTV efforts. Why is she not gone yet? The gently caress? I am convinced that the Dems are at the moment where the GOP was in the late 60s early 70, with moderates generally leading the party but with the hardened base finally waking up and demanding to actually have a voice. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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