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Maarek posted:I would figure someone who made it to the Governor level would have some kind of minder who just hangs around and makes sure they don't do something like that. You don't know much about New Mexico. There have been rumors about this sort of private behavior with Martinez, and, combined with shady fundraising activities... Well, there's probably a reason why all that talk of using Martinez for Republican outreach to Hispanics dried up a couple of years ago.
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Trabisnikof posted:I think you'd find those elections hosed without DWS, but it is pleasurable to have a scapegoat. Yeah a loss was inevitable but the level of defeat was her fault again, we've lost the house until the next census because her GOTV was I know it looks like we're getting nothing done and Democrats are actively hampering are goals and not getting any pushback for it but the Republicans are scary oooooooooooooo . Seriously?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Also given the hour on the east coast I would assume dropping the lawsuit would have to wait until the court opens for business. No, e-filing is open 24/7.
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I'm more disgusted at the lack of outrage directed at the Sanders campaign. Because jesus christ this poo poo is beyond appalling, and the fact that it occurred is frankly, astounding. I'm stunned any campaign could have been so stupid. If Hilldawg had done this her campaign would've been sunk, and we'd have all been guaranteed a GPO victory. In any event, this sort of utterly unethical, downright Nixonian action is completely outrageous, and destroyed whatever level of respect I had for Sanders and his campaign in the first place. Seriously this is a huge deal and the fact that people ITT are concerned about how bad this makes HRC and the DNC look is really sad. Understandable mind you, but this should not have been a win for Sanders. It's naked corruption and he's fundraising off of lies and misdirection. It's really all very sickening.
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Mitt Romney posted:Agreed and what's concerning to me is that Clinton and her past campaigns have shown a great ability to be tone deaf and unable to read obvious political winds. Mostly because she surrounds herself with loyalists and yes-men instead of the best people for the job. Hum. Weird. It's almost as if Hillary Clinton isn't the kind of person any sane person would want in the Oval Office  Edit: The Iron Rose posted:Seriously this is a huge deal and the fact that people ITT are concerned about how bad this makes HRC and the DNC look is really sad. Understandable mind you, but this should not have been a win for Sanders. It's naked corruption and he's fundraising off of lies and misdirection. It's really all very sickening. Dawww, is someone feeling uneasy about their choice in corporate shill? How about you wait until there's an actual independent investigation before you have a conniption. Cugel the Clever fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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The Iron Rose posted:I'm more disgusted at the lack of outrage directed at the Sanders campaign. What, exactly, did they do wrong? A few staffers found something interesting in a program and misbehaved. At least one of them got sacked. The DNC revoked everyone's access to the program. Why should we be outraged?
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The Iron Rose posted:Seriously this is a huge deal and the fact that people ITT are concerned about how bad this makes HRC and the DNC look is really sad. Understandable mind you, but this should not have been a win for Sanders. It's naked corruption and he's fundraising off of lies and misdirection. It's really all very sickening. I don't disagree, but frankly I'm more interested in how it affects Clinton and the DNC because the effects on the Sanders campaign are ultimately irrelevant.
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:What, exactly, did they do wrong? Don't worry, as much as their is a "Bernie bubble", it's nowhere near as putrid as Clinton's menagerie of syncophantic devotees you see 'round these parts, Iron Rose obviously among them. It's drat understandable that there's paranoia in the Sanders camp—the party establishment is an incestuous cesspool, livid at the fact that the left won't just bend over and let them get on with it already. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:What, exactly, did they do wrong? I think the assumption is that it's a double-standard being applied against Hillary. If Hillary did this, Berniebros would be outraged. But since Sanders did this (or at least is as equally culpable as Hillary would be, since Hillary would be burned at the stake by the media had she been in Bernie's position) and no one is outraged by this, clearly anyone who has not come into this thread raging about how terrible Bernie is is just a biased partisan hack not to be trusted in a discussion on the situation. In other words, since Hillary would be judged harshly for such behavior, Bernie deserves to be treated equally harshly.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:I think the assumption is that it's a double-standard being applied against Hillary. If Hillary did this, Berniebros would be outraged. But since Sanders did this (or at least is as equally culpable as Hillary would be, since Hillary would be burned at the stake by the media had she been in Bernie's position) and no one is outraged by this, clearly anyone who has not come into this thread raging about how terrible Bernie is is just a biased partisan hack not to be trusted in a discussion on the situation. Which is kinda fair to an extent. I would like to think I would be calling for the same even-handed, independent investigation were the shoe on the other foot.
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Quick, somebody remind me how those mean old Republicans will get to choose the next Supreme Court Justices and how I just have to suck it up and cast my vote for a homophobic scumbag who's made millions on the speaking circuit and plays footsie with the most fetid of America's aspiring oligarchs.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:I think the assumption is that it's a double-standard being applied against Hillary. If Hillary did this, Berniebros would be outraged. But since Sanders did this (or at least is as equally culpable as Hillary would be, since Hillary would be burned at the stake by the media had she been in Bernie's position) and no one is outraged by this, clearly anyone who has not come into this thread raging about how terrible Bernie is is just a biased partisan hack not to be trusted in a discussion on the situation. It's probably that some people devoted enough to work for his campaign are devoted enough to steal data for any advantage they can gain. It points to a character-judgement issue because you don't want zealots who are so blind they get caught, you want ones who are grounded enough to know what they're doing is ultimately wrong and worth concealing, if they choose to pull underhanded poo poo like this at all. I don't understand why the DNC caved on the revoked access thing, since it was more than just one guy and the clear intent was to steal voter data and benefit from the stolen voter data. Cugel the Clever posted:Quick, somebody remind me how those mean old Republicans will get to choose the next Supreme Court Justices and how I just have to suck it up and cast my vote for a homophobic scumbag who's made millions on the speaking circuit and plays footsie with the most fetid of America's aspiring oligarchs. Trump is one of those mean old Republicans though.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Dawww, is someone feeling uneasy about their choice in corporate shill? How about you wait until there's an actual independent investigation before you have a conniption. lol Pyroxene Stigma posted:What, exactly, did they do wrong? quote:The staffer in question stole millions of dollars of proprietary information, had at least three subordinates (including a Deputy National Data Director) do the same thing, and then attempted to hide the evidence once he'd done it. When they say "we didn't save any data" that tells me that they created dynamic (rather than static) lists. This is actually even worse, since the dynamic list updates every time new data comes in. That tells me that Sanders' data people planned for this theft to be ongoing. When they hid the folders, and the way they hid the folders (according to news reports), it looks suspiciously like they were trying to hide what was going on so that they could keep the theft undiscovered and steal data over the long haul. Cugel the Clever posted:Quick, somebody remind me how those mean old Republicans will get to choose the next Supreme Court Justices and how I just have to suck it up and cast my vote for a homophobic scumbag who's made millions on the speaking circuit and plays footsie with the most fetid of America's aspiring oligarchs. Source your quotes
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FAUXTON posted:I don't understand why the DNC caved on the revoked access thing, since it was more than just one guy and the clear intent was to steal voter data and benefit from the stolen voter data. Fundamentally it's because it doesn't matter and they don't really care about Sanders' personnel issues. The race isn't close at all, and there's no real upside for Clinton or the DNC to have the Sanders campaign burn out in mid-December. If they kill the story now then the only people who are going to remember during the primary are those who are already deeply involved in the campaigns. Kaal fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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ComradeCosmobot posted:I think the assumption is that it's a double-standard being applied against Hillary. If Hillary did this, Berniebros would be outraged. But since Sanders did this (or at least is as equally culpable as Hillary would be, since Hillary would be burned at the stake by the media had she been in Bernie's position) and no one is outraged by this, clearly anyone who has not come into this thread raging about how terrible Bernie is is just a biased partisan hack not to be trusted in a discussion on the situation. If Hillary did this no one would've known because she'd ruin that person's entire political career if they pulled this. It's super obvious someone leaked this because they're bad at politics and saw one NH poll and freaked. Kaal posted:Fundamentally it's because it doesn't matter and they don't really care about Sanders' personnel issues. The race isn't close at all, and there's no real upside for Clinton or the DNC to have the Sanders campaign burn out in mid-December. If they kill the story now then the only people who are going to remember during the primary are those who are already deeply involved in the campaigns. Whoever leaked this is probably getting super chewed out right now this whole scenario is not worth it for Hillary at all.
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Kaal posted:Fundamentally it's because it doesn't matter and they don't really care about Sanders' personnel issues. The race isn't close at all, and there's no real upside for Clinton or the DNC to have the Sanders campaign burn out in mid-December. If they kill the story now then the only people who are going to remember during the primary are those who are already deeply involved in the campaigns. Ah, fair enough. I'd mused about Bernie being cover for a leftward shift by Hillary.
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The Iron Rose posted:I'm more disgusted at the lack of outrage directed at the Sanders campaign. I stopped my monthly donations when they filed suit. I had already mentally switched to supporting Clinton, but I liked the idea of Sander's voice in the race. Now I don't anymore.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Quick, somebody remind me how those mean old Republicans will get to choose the next Supreme Court Justices and how I just have to suck it up and cast my vote for a homophobic scumbag who's made millions on the speaking circuit and plays footsie with the most fetid of America's aspiring oligarchs. what is it with losing primary candidates having insane fringe backers that just can't deal with reality? i like bernie despite his white supremacist background but his most vocal supporters are just insufferable
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People are totally gonna use this data breech as a false equivalency about both parties being equally unfit for the presidency, right? "The republicans want to bomb the poo poo out of everyone and don't trust women to keep control of their bodies... and the democrats had a slap fight about a voter registration glitch. See? Both parties are just the same."
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Kilroy posted:Most Americans seem to think that if you dare to live and work outside the US, you are something like a traitor, and American tax policy really reflects that. Unless your company is based overseas to avoid tax liability and rely on exploited foreign labor like Apple, then you're a patriotic Job Creator!  
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joeburz posted:i like bernie despite his white supremacist background but his most vocal supporters are just insufferable Uh surely you mean vermont by that??
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Kaal posted:Sure, four people accessed the data, and they probably should have known better. But really the only person I'm interested in punishing is the leader who told them to do that and definitely should have known better. I don't want subordinates to be punished for doing what they're told to do, unless it involves truly criminal behavior. 40 lashes at the whipping post, then all is forgiven. fishmech posted:There is absolutely no downside either, because no person on earth is dumb enough for a loving tweet in December 2015 to still leave them pissy in November 2016. Melodramatic/neurotic Redditor Berners looking for an excuse to rage on Shillary, perhaps. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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joeburz posted:I like bernie despite his white supremacist background but his most vocal supporters are just insufferable.
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Rygar201 posted:Well that's interesting. By all means, elaborate. It's a running gag
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greatn posted:It's a running gag Oh good, I was wondering how far off the deep end you'd have to go to sincerely believe that.
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America: Land of the Freep, Home of the Bigoted.
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Radbot posted:Why is Bernie a white supremacist but Hillary not an anti-semite? If we're talking high-larious gags here. Because the former trolls people better.
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The press filing center for tonight's debate is an unheated ice rink. But don't worry, the DNC totally wants the press to cover this thing, so they're giving out hand warmer packs.
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Bob James posted:Has Bernie even seen Star Wars yet? Not enough rape.
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Today in Islamophobia: A 12 year old Sikh boy from Texas was accused by bullies of having a bomb in his backpack. The "bomb" was a cell phone battery pack. The teacher calls the cops and they haul him away to juvie, search him, and don't find anything. But they still hold him for three days. Oh, and nobody told his parents a thing. He just didn't come home. He's been charged with "admitting he had a bomb in his backpack to the bully" and has an upcoming court date. He is suspended from school and wearing an ankle monitor.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:You don't know much about New Mexico. There have been rumors about this sort of private behavior with Martinez, and, combined with shady fundraising activities... Well, there's probably a reason why all that talk of using Martinez for Republican outreach to Hispanics dried up a couple of years ago.  That's a hell of an illustration. 
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Joementum posted:The press filing center for tonight's debate is an unheated ice rink. But don't worry, the DNC totally wants the press to cover this thing, so they're giving out hand warmer packs. News like you've never seen it before - On Ice!
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Luigi Thirty posted:Today in Islamophobia: A 12 year old Sikh boy from Texas was accused by bullies of having a bomb in his backpack. The "bomb" was a cell phone battery pack. The teacher calls the cops and they haul him away to juvie, search him, and don't find anything. But they still hold him for three days. Oh, and nobody told his parents a thing. He just didn't come home. That poor kid! Those administrators should be ashamed of themselves.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Today in Islamophobia: A 12 year old Sikh boy from Texas was accused by bullies of having a bomb in his backpack. The "bomb" was a cell phone battery pack. The teacher calls the cops and they haul him away to juvie, search him, and don't find anything. But they still hold him for three days. Oh, and nobody told his parents a thing. He just didn't come home. Oh cool, it's even the same metro area.
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Joementum posted:The press filing center for tonight's debate is an unheated ice rink. But don't worry, the DNC totally wants the press to cover this thing, so they're giving out hand warmer packs. drat a literally chilly reception! And drat, an appropriate use of "literally"! (Pats self on back, hands self a cigar.) SnakePlissken fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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