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Luigi Thirty posted:Today in Islamophobia: A 12 year old Sikh boy from Texas was accused by bullies of having a bomb in his backpack. The "bomb" was a cell phone battery pack. The teacher calls the cops and they haul him away to juvie, search him, and don't find anything. But they still hold him for three days. Oh, and nobody told his parents a thing. He just didn't come home. It's cool that The Talk will now be extended to all brown parents and their kids
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Dec 19, 2015 16:38
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Lol to the people ITT saying Bernie supporters are in a bubble. Were y'all like 15 in 2008? The HRC campaign's SENIOR staff were so fuckin bad they didn't even understand how many states allocated delegates. Thank fuckin god she didn't rehire Mark Penn for this go-around.
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this_is_hard posted:Lol to the people ITT saying Bernie supporters are in a bubble. The Berniebros are this election's PUMAs
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this_is_hard posted:Lol to the people ITT saying Bernie supporters are in a bubble. I actually was 15 about 8 years ago, yes.
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Dec 19, 2015 16:52
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I too read Game Change and how awful the Hillary campaign was behind the scenes. Doesn't change the fact that this election the Bernie supporters are all circlejerking off in their own bubble.
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Dec 19, 2015 16:54
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this_is_hard posted:Lol to the people ITT saying Bernie supporters are in a bubble. There's supporters and then there are supporters. I'm all for Bernie forcing Hillary to stake out left-ish positions, and I support his goal of raising awareness or however he phrased it after the boilerplate "well I wouldn't run if I didn't think I could win" stuff. On the other hand I don't downplay data theft and coordinated espionage by multiple staffers by making up a hypothetical situation in which it was actually the victims of the theft being the prime evil and the bilderbergers or rothschilds scheming at the bohemian grove to orchestrate all of this just to run up an already lopsided score.
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Dec 19, 2015 16:58
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greatn posted:Maybe this will lead to lots of them becoming lawyers. Wait until the paranoia is so high in a few years that even profession jobs will be called into question. "The prosecution is a Muslim ladies and gentlemen of the jury. He could even have a bomb in his briefcase right now for all we know."
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happyhippy posted:Wait until the paranoia is so high in a few years that even profession jobs will be called into question. They tried that poo poo with the circuit court judge (? - not 100% sure what level but I think it was 9th Circuit) in Perry but with "he a gay" instead of "he a Muslim."
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FAUXTON posted:There's supporters and then there are supporters. I'm all for Bernie forcing Hillary to stake out left-ish positions, and I support his goal of raising awareness or however he phrased it after the boilerplate "well I wouldn't run if I didn't think I could win" stuff. On the other hand I don't downplay data theft and coordinated espionage by multiple staffers by making up a hypothetical situation in which it was actually the victims of the theft being the prime evil and the bilderbergers or rothschilds scheming at the bohemian grove to orchestrate all of this just to run up an already lopsided score. The DNC was trying to get the Sanders campaign to agree to an independent audit all day on Friday. The Sanders campaign finally agreed and their data access was restored. The Sanders campaign described this as the DNC capitulating. The Sanders campaign also said their lawsuit will uncover a Clinton conspiracy at the DNC: quote:“We will get access to all the internal communications of the DNC where we can demonstrate what I think most people think is going on, which is that there are some people in there who are clearly trying to help the Clinton campaign,” he said. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/19/deal-reached-between-sanders-and-dnc-doesnt-do-away-with-the-disdain/
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Mitt Romney posted:The DNC was trying to get the Sanders campaign to agree to an independent audit all day on Friday. The Sanders campaign finally agreed and their data access was restored. The Sanders campaign described this as the DNC capitulating. The manila folder in the middle of the gameboard has three cards in it: Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, a server rack, and the secret SCF bunker underneath the Clintonschloß.
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I don't know why people are making Sanders into some kind of cackling cartoon villain or "Nixonian" schemer. Watergate this ain't. It just seems like a case of a staffer getting overzealous and doing shady poo poo. It's bad that this happened under Sanders' watch, yes, but people ITT and especially on Reddit et al are way overblowing the proportions of it. Luigi Thirty posted:Today in Islamophobia: A 12 year old Sikh boy from Texas was accused by bullies of having a bomb in his backpack. The "bomb" was a cell phone battery pack. The teacher calls the cops and they haul him away to juvie, search him, and don't find anything. But they still hold him for three days. Oh, and nobody told his parents a thing. He just didn't come home. I can confirm Islamophobia is getting bad even in sleepy suburban Ohio. Just the other day driving home, I saw two police cars flashing their sirens and five news crew vans surrounding an empty black SUV. Apparently, one of the local cops scanned the plates and found out it belonged to a guy on the terrorist watch list, so everyone of course is freaking out. Because we as a society are too dysfunctional to fix our real problems (growing income inequality, cops killing black people with impunity, broken healthcare system based on racketeering profiteering shitheads like Martin Shkreli as opposed to cheap access to good healthcare, etc), we instead vent our impotent frustration and rage on Muslims and terrorism which are sufficiently Otherized for us to band together against in all our glorious American bigotry. poo poo's crazy, yo. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:I can confirm Islamophobia is getting bad even in sleepy suburban Ohio. Just the other day driving home, I saw two police cars flashing their sirens and five news crew vans surrounding an empty black SUV. Apparently, one of the local cops scanned the plates and found out it belonged to a guy on the terrorist watch list, so everyone of course is freaking out. If that's the story I heard online, it didn't actually belong to a guy on the terrorist watchlist but that didn't stop them from hauling the owner away with no charges for a few days.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:I don't know why people are making Sanders into some kind of cackling cartoon villain or "Nixonian" schemer. I think the worst anyone has said about Sanders personally is that he doesn't police his own organization as well as he wants others to police theirs. What does seem to be happening is supporters linking criticism of the campaign organization to criticism of Sanders himself. That's the funny part, to see the defense of bad stuff with phrases like "it's not their job to not cheat, it's the DNC's job to not have these holes in the first place"*. (and it was 4 staffers, apparently; not all of them have been fired yet either) *Full quote here: BlueBlazer posted:As far as IT policy goes, the Bernie campaign does have a beef with what I'm reading in that suit. computer parts fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Logikv9 posted:I too read Game Change and how awful the Hillary campaign was behind the scenes. Doesn't change the fact that this election the Bernie supporters are all circlejerking off in their own bubble. As a great example of this /r/sandersforpresident currently seems to think that keeping the lawsuit going would be a good thing. Some seem to think that a potential ~$1M in damages in exchange for becoming a complete political pariah (seriously you can't fully put into words just how awful a trade that would be) would be a win and others are crowing about how the discovery process would turn up a grand conspiracy to get Hillary elected. Audit the
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Cugel the Clever posted:Quick, somebody remind me how those mean old Republicans will get to choose the next Supreme Court Justices and how I just have to suck it up and cast my vote for a homophobic scumbag who's made millions on the speaking circuit and plays footsie with the most fetid of America's aspiring oligarchs. I'm sure that this was a devastating death blow of snark in your head, and not a big neon indicator that you don't understand how first past the post works
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Zelder posted:I'm sure that this was a devastating death blow of snark in your head, and not a big neon indicator that you don't understand how first past the post works I thought it was him thinking Trump wasn't one of those "mean old Republicans" since he's never
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Shifty Pony posted:As a great example of this /r/sandersforpresident currently seems to think that keeping the lawsuit going would be a good thing. Some seem to think that a potential ~$1M in damages in exchange for becoming a complete political pariah (seriously you can't fully put into words just how awful a trade that would be) would be a win and others are crowing about how the discovery process would turn up a grand conspiracy to get Hillary elected. Between this and the Redditbern comment about carrying signs of "Who is John Galt?", there's a weird Libertarian vein in his base. I thought Rand Paul was the candidate for Libertarians? You'd think Berners and Paulites would detest each other rather than find common ground in socialism.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Between this and the Redditbern comment about carrying signs of "Who is John Galt?", there's a weird Libertarian vein in his base. You can't blame that all on his supporters if his campaign manager is out there saying he wants to continue the lawsuit and that the lawsuit will uncover a Clinton DNC conspiracy.
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Well Clinton has the A tier campaign staff and most of the B tier, Sanders basically has to pick from the C tier so of course some of his staff are gonna suck.
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Mitt Romney posted:You can't blame that all on his supporters if his campaign manager is out there saying he wants to continue the lawsuit and that the lawsuit will uncover a Clinton DNC conspiracy. Yes, like I said re: the Audit the DNC comment above.
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greatn posted:Well Clinton has the A tier campaign staff and most of the B tier, Sanders basically has to pick from the C tier so of course some of his staff are gonna suck. The campaign manager is a little more important than just "some of the staff."
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PUGGERNAUT posted:Both parties are just the same." Today this is because of the omnibus spending bill getting CISA snuck into it and all of those terrible politicians except St. Bernie and Rand Paul who bravely stood up against it 
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computer parts posted:I think the worst anyone has said about Sanders personally is that he doesn't police his own organization as well as he wants others to police theirs. I was referring more to this kind of freaking out: The Iron Rose posted:I'm more disgusted at the lack of outrage directed at the Sanders campaign.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:I thought Rand Paul was the candidate for Libertarians? You'd think Berners and Paulites would detest each other rather than find common ground in socialism. He's a pretty lovely excuse for a libertarian and is about as good at campaigning as Jeb!
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:I don't know why people are making Sanders into some kind of cackling cartoon villain or "Nixonian" schemer. I agree, I don't think Sanders himself had anything to do with it. This reflects badly on a few of his employees, not him or his beliefs. But the Democratic primary has been fairly light on infighting and controversy so far so a lot of people are hyping this up to be a worse story than it is. Your Dunkle Sans posted:Between this and the Redditbern comment about carrying signs of "Who is John Galt?", there's a weird Libertarian vein in his base. I think they're just latching onto the Most Popular Antiestablishment Candidate because they think it makes them smarter than everyone else. I guarantee a large portion of /r/sandersforpresident subscribers will shift their support to Trump when Sanders drops out.
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PUGGERNAUT posted:
What did the Ron Paul supporters do after their guy didn't make it? They're they same people so I imagine they'll do the same thing. So r/conspiracy will be busy.
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smg77 posted:The Berniebros are this election's PUMAs that's actually a pretty good comparison I can't wait to read bernieis45 forum in a few years from now complaining about BLM protesters
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A bunch of people did this in Austin last night too: Now where have I seen that sort of thing before....  Oh.
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fknlo posted:What did the Ron Paul supporters do after their guy didn't make it? 
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Swan Oat posted:What does that symbolize A) They're from the deep woods of Maine B) they're holding their nose and voting for McCain/Rmoney/whoever.
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Shifty Pony posted:A bunch of people did this in Austin last night too: Saw it for Obama in 2012, because it's a cheap easy way to get attention.  e: Hell, "HONK 4 HILLARY" could get some traction if you ask me if they primed it right. Swan Oat posted:What does that symbolize Don't... smell the lobster...? 
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Swan Oat posted:What does that symbolize They were holding their noses to block the foul stench of the RNC's corruption at excluding the "rightful" Paulite Maine delegation and instead seating the pro-Romney Maine delegation.
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I don't think they know how "holding your nose" actually works.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:I don't think they know how "holding your nose" actually works. In true libertarian fashion, they went through the barest semblance of motions since actually clipping the nostrils shut was too painful.
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Mo_Steel posted:Saw it for Obama in 2012, because it's a cheap easy way to get attention. Eh maybe it is regional. Around here I've only ever seen Paulites, that Impeach Obama campaign, Infowars types, and Open Carry advocates doing it. 
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Sorry for back posting but I noticed an interesting pattern of verbiage in the sanders data theft kerfuffel and I just got a campaign email from Bernie this morning and the two together are itching at me. When complaining about stuff people did immediately after the theft was discovered, from routine contract enforcement to tweets, people who don't like Hillary would attribute the actions to her personally and talk about "Hillary made a mistake!" When talking about the more formal official responses that came later and did what they wanted they attribute that to her campaign apparatus and talk about it "saving her". Logically, one would think that the immediate reactions were the ones beyond leadership control and the later ones due to it - which is the exact inverse of the narrative being pushed. For example, I would not attribute the immediate reaction of Bernie staffers of stealing data upon discovering a permissions glitch to Bernie personally as a four hour window is insufficient time to get his buy in. Trying to bluster/sue his way through it, however, is reasonably attributed to Bernie. The campaign email I just got from him I also assume he reviewed and approved. It's full of bald faced lies ... Literally the lies that just got debunked up thread. I wouldn't know they were lies if I hadn't read this thread first but I went from one to the other. And it begins, I poo poo you not, with "here's the truth:" Bernie sanders fund raising email posted:
It's like reading a Limbaugh snippet in the right wing media thread. I mean, the facts are out. The lies have been documented. Even a cursory Google outs this as weapons grade balognium. So we need to cultivate distrust of any other media source. They lie to you! We are telling you the truth!
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Personally, although I prefer Sanders to Clinton policy-wise and am disappointed that Clinton is the apparent heir-in-waiting for the Dems this election, I plan on holding my nose and voting Clinton. I'm extremely not a fan of Clinton's stance on Wall Street and Israel, but, as another poster put it, she will skullfuck the Republicans into submission which given the experience of Obama's tenure with a Tea Party Congress is sorely needed. Plus, with First Past the Post, the worst Dem is still better than the best Republican. The debates give a pretty clear picture of that already.
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