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GoGoGadgetChris posted:If you don't think the next movie is going to have Luke say "No, Rey, I am your Father" you don't know fuckin' Star Wars I posted it in the other thread, but I hope her Father was one of the apprentices that turned on Luke and that Luke killed in the fighting. Its qould be a nice twist on the Vader dynamic, where we all expect Luke to be her father, but he killed her father. Its poetry, it rhymes, etc
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:(Han may have turned on the lightsaber himself) Please tell me there aren't people that actually believe this poo poo. The expressions of every character involved simply crushes this lovely theory.
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codo27 posted:Fury Road was what I like to call "Complete garbage". Careful friend, that's blasphemy around here.  Also Snoke being Sidious' previous master leaves the big burning question, why the gently caress did he not come back and murder the gently caress out of Sidious?? He doesn't seem like the kinda guy to let getting murdered slide.. BillBear fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Avoided this thread until saw the movie but here are a few of my thoughts... I knew there would be a lot of homages to the originals in there, but man they took nearly every major scene and did it again. Also why does everyone in the First Order who isn't specifically old look 12? It's hard to take the Space Nazi leadership seriously when they all look like they just hit puberty. The score was decidedly un-Star Wars. All of the new stuff was completely forgettable. That is unfortunate because great music to me has always been a huge part of the series. Even the prequels had some good stuff. But this, no. Where are my damned space battles? Sure we get some cool planetside fights, but no true space battles. As a bonus, where are some more cool ships? We were pretty light in the cool new vehicle department. We get a few transports and 1 slightly altered fighter for each side. We could have at least gotten a cool shot of the Republic Fleet getting burned as the ultra-mega-this isn't your Daddy's Death Star beam made it's way to the planets. Unless of course that is also a ruse and the fleet wasn't really there. DUN DUN DUUUUN! Kylo Ren was completely awful. He was ok as a villain right up until he took his mask off. Then he became a whiny teen and lost all scariness. He somehow manages to make prequel Anakin look better by comparison. I'm sure he will return all Vadered up in the sequel but any sense of an ominous presence is forever lost. He looks like a spaz. He fights like a spaz. He looked like a goof swatting at his wound. He becomes useless immediately after running into someone who learned about the force 5 minutes ago. I can't take this guy seriously. Captain Phasma seems completely wasted. She barely appeared, did nothing but screw up and even went away offscreen. I'm sure she will return , probably hunting down Finn for revenge but she did nothing worthy of her cool bad guy costume. Sure you could say the same thing of Fett but at least he didn't screw up in his first Cool Mysterious Guy appearance. Overall, despite my complaints I didn't hate it. It is by no means a great movie, but outside of the music issue it was sufficiently "Star Wars". It had that feel much more than the prequels. Kylo Ren's awfulness will continue to haunt me and worries me for future movies because he was so irredeemably terrible. I know they are driving home the whole "He's not Sith" thing so hopefully there is a cooler bad guy waiting in the wings. Oh well at least we still have Porkins II. I think he even survived the not-Death Star run!
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:(Han may have turned on the lightsaber himself) ...Why?
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hosed up that it wasn't at least Phasma herself who handed Finn his rear end in that fight scene.
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Also, I thought it was kind of a clever inversion that the Death Stars had a bunch of lasers that converged into one planet-buster, and Starkiller had one big laser that burst into a bunch of planet busters.
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Who was the neckbeard x-wing pilot? He felt like some E list celebrity who was thrown a bone to be in the movie
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Phasma was just a placeholder for people to focus on as not much of the important identities were revealed leading up to release. Just another trooper with a shiny suit. I have to go along with everyone though, not much choice, the soundtrack was very underwhelming. Everyone talks about the Duel of the Fates in the PT but there was that, I guess almost the equivalent of the Imperial March for those films, you know most notably played when Obi first sees the clone army. But this was just...I guess John is allowed to mail one in after all he's done.
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The movie was great and if you didn't like it you're too stupid with rose tinted glasses to realize it and would have hated any Star Wars movie targeted to a young and old audience. Also I never recalled people saying the Phantom Menace was good. Literally the only good thing people said was "well the pod racing was cool". Hell, before the Plinkett reviews the Clerks Cartoon ripped it to shreds. If you remember that people tried to force themselves to like the Phantom Menace because it was Star Wars, that is because you were that idiot child.
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zVxTeflon posted:Who was the neckbeard x-wing pilot? He felt like some E list celebrity who was thrown a bone to be in the movie Greg Grunberg. He's been JJ's best friend since they were in first grade, so he shows up in most of Abrams' projects.
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crowbb posted:
This was the point of the character. He's a Darth Vader cosplayer who is still pretty dangerous but mostly just a dweeb. He's a pawn.
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crowbb posted:
This is why Kylo is really well done, he's not Vader despite him wanting to be his successor and he's nothing more than a angry child at the end of the day. Also he just killed his dad and got hosed up by Chewie's powerful gun, he won't be at peak condition. Also Rey's clearly talented already in melee. He's like Luke in ESB, he's trying to be the one man army before completing his training under Snoke, next film will have him being more like Vader.
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The phantom menace wasn't good, but it was undeniably memorable. That's not something I think you can say about this movie despite it having the best leads of all seven outings
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Yeah. It was pretty clear to me within like a minute of Ren taking his mask off that Abrams and company looked at prequel Anakin at his most petulant and spergy, saw what Lucas was trying to do, said "Oh, I get it", and then set out to do it right. Ren is petulant and spergy like Anakin was, but people actually comment on his neuroses and they actually serve to make him angrier and therefore more dangerous. Also, it's been pointed out before, but keep in mind that he was fighting Finn and Rey with a great big hole in his chest, courtesy of an angry wookie. Efb.
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mastershakeman posted:The phantom menace wasn't good, but it was undeniably memorable. That's not something I think you can say about this movie despite it having the best leads of all seven outings Han dying is going to define this film, that scene was really amazing and memorable, the only scene I liked in TPM and remember clearly is Maul's fight.
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Kurtofan posted:I liked how rey bringing the lightsaber to Luke was kind of a mirror image of her bring scraps at the beginning of the film. Oh nice. Though I liked the symbolism, she's trying to hand the responsibility of solving the light and dark side of the force to Luke Skywalker again, and he's hesitant.
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All I can say is that Ben Solo better have a better loving excuse for going darkside than Anakin "Time to murder a bunch of kids so this Shady rear end in a top hat will save my dying wife, maybe" Skywalker.
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If there is an extended cut with a few more scenes developing Rey and Finn's characters, then this will be my favorite Star Wars movie. It might already be.
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Ren is a great villain because he's flawed. He's not some ominous force, he just wants to be and even then he says he feels the pull back to the light so he's doing whatever he can to get back to the dark. I'm assuming he's not very powerful but Snoke offered to show him the path to the dark side so he could gain more power. Snoke is the real villain.
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Spergatory posted:All I can say is that Ben Solo better have a better loving excuse for going darkside than Anakin "Time to murder a bunch of kids so this Shady rear end in a top hat will save my dying wife, maybe" Skywalker. I think it's explained in the new EU material, something along the line of the Skywalker family wasting their Force lineage preserving peace instead of using it to dominate the Galaxy. Bonus hate points for Han Solo for being a completely normal non-Force sensitive.
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I wonder if Kylo Ren knew that Anakin killed a whole bunch of Jedi students as his Dark Side audition or whether it was a total coincidence that he also slaughtered a bunch of Jedi students.Palladium posted:Bonus hate points for Han Solo for being a completely normal non-Force sensitive.  Ben's just angry because he's a halfblood.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Yeah. It was pretty clear to me within like a minute of Ren taking his mask off that Abrams and company looked at prequel Anakin at his most petulant and spergy, saw what Lucas was trying to do, said "Oh, I get it", and then set out to do it right. Ren is petulant and spergy like Anakin was, but people actually comment on his neuroses and they actually serve to make him angrier and therefore more dangerous. Also, it's been pointed out before, but keep in mind that he was fighting Finn and Rey with a great big hole in his chest, courtesy of an angry wookie. I'm just so 100% into Kylo Ren as a villain. I love a Sith motivated by just anger. Not savage poo poo like Maul, not Vader's cold acceptance of the darkness he chose, just this ball of rage and anger that has tantrums with his lightsaber so often when a pair of storm troopers walk down the hall and hear one they're just all 'haha nope, go the other way bro'. His scene with the Vader helmet was perfect to set the foundation for everything else. He wasn't a scary knight, he was a scared kid who clearly is over his head but welp you can't un-slaughter all those people nowhere to go but forward! I loved his fight too. Punching his wound to stay angry, stomping around, he was so 'in the zone' it was clear he'd never been actually challenged before. He was playing big bad scary Sith and kinda sucking at it. I'm really a big fan of this guy who is clearly skilled and pretty scary in his own way actually being a sad nerd kid who wants to do grandpa's ghost proud or whatever even if he's half the Sith Vader was. I felt bad for him in some scenes when it was obvious he was struggling, and that's something I never really felt for Anakin. Like, Anakin's struggles were always 'I want power' 'no wanting power is bad' 'but I waaaaaaaaaaant it'. With Kylo the struggle is this hosed up town-slaughtery kinda struggle, but there's this root in a very real fear a lot of perfectly normal people have of not being good enough for your family name and all. Also any problems that existed were instantly redeemed by that bridge scene with Han. Holy poo poo was he perfect at showing conflict and pain but not really letting on what side he 'wanted' to win. Plus, yea it's nice to go back to the time period where non-force users just poo poo talk force users. Kylo's lovely weasel faced officer buddy constantly sneering about his stupid rear end magics and crappy choices he makes for no reason was great.
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Leaked footage of the big reveal about Kylo from Ep 8: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d696t3yALAY&t=41s
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Leaked footage of the big reveal about Kylo from Ep 8: "Master I'm ready to begin my final training" "Yea, about that, look this was funny for a while but now there's some other Jedi loving stuff up and she found Luke...Meet Darth Bill, he's my actual student...sooo....."
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Tatum Girlparts posted:"Master I'm ready to begin my final training" Maybe he's being used Voldemort style. I thought maybe even Snoke was a ghost disguising himself as a hologram, but that nazi dude could see him too.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Goddamn muggles. I'll expect Ep 8 and 9 a retread of the themes in KOTOR2 and Metal Gear Solid: Kylo always had the better potential than Rey and Luke but the latter two was never consumed by the lust for power and could walk away from all that when tempted by it.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:She not only successfully used Force telekinesis to grab the lightsabre once Finn drops it at the final fight, Kylo Ren was also trying to used Force Pull on the lightsabre at the same time and she outmuscled him. And he's a guy who can use Force Pull to freeze a blaster bolt in mid air. It was the quintessential "Sword in the Stone" moment. Kylo cannot claim the sword because it is not meant for him, or he failed a test. Either Rey passed a test when she refused the sword first, and thereby claimed it, or it simply will curse anyone it does not truly belong to. Hence, why Finn can't wield it effectively despite being a trained soldier, and why Kylo can't beat it in a duel.
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zVxTeflon posted:Who was the neckbeard x-wing pilot? He felt like some E list celebrity who was thrown a bone to be in the movie That's just called a beard, and he's at least C-list, let's be fair. Ferrinus posted:hosed up that it wasn't at least Phasma herself who handed Finn his rear end in that fight scene. I like it when a random goon gets to kick rear end, gives the whole villain crew more cred, and is a surprise. One time Snake Eyes had a brutal long fight with a random Cobra mook for example, good stuff. (early in the IDW comics if somebody is intrigued)
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al-azad posted:This has probably been answered before but uh... does the Empire not realize when you extinguish a sun it kind of throws gravity out of whack not to mention turn your planet into an uninhabitable ice ball? The empire isn't exactly original with their death laser fetish but this is a new one. Destroying a single planet is enough to gently caress up the entire solar system, you don't need multiple planetary destruction lasers. Are you loving kidding? When has Star Wars ever given fucks about physics? This is a joke righ? Please be joking.
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BillBear posted:Han dying is going to define this film, that scene was really amazing and memorable, the only scene I liked in TPM and remember clearly is Maul's fight. My favorite part was Han shouting "BEN!", sent shivers down my spine.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I'm just so 100% into Kylo Ren as a villain. I love a Sith motivated by just anger. Not savage poo poo like Maul, not Vader's cold acceptance of the darkness he chose, just this ball of rage and anger that has tantrums with his lightsaber so often when a pair of storm troopers walk down the hall and hear one they're just all 'haha nope, go the other way bro'. His scene with the Vader helmet was perfect to set the foundation for everything else. He wasn't a scary knight, he was a scared kid who clearly is over his head but welp you can't un-slaughter all those people nowhere to go but forward! Yeah Kylo is a fantastic bad guy. Like was said already, his performance is what Anakin is supposed to be. Really watching the movie the whole time I kept thinking "wow Lucas is so bad at everything" because wow, Lucas is bad at everything unless you have him as an ideas guy and place about a thousand people between him and the final product. "No that name is stupid Lucas, no that line is stupid Lucas, no Lucas that isn't how emotions work" etc forever.
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Also, extinguishing the sun will have not do anything to a planet's gravitational field, I don't even know how those two are related (the planet's gravity is a function of its mass). And as for turning the planet into an iceball, I assume that's not an insurmountable obstacle to a society that can move planets and build force fields around them. Goddamn I am way too invested in defending the starkiller thing.
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cosmicjim posted:Maybe he's being used Voldemort style. I thought maybe even Snoke was a ghost disguising himself as a hologram, but that nazi dude could see him too. When you really think about it, a hologram is basically like a ghost robot anyway. Maybe Snopes is the Force ghost of a dead Force adept robot.
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mastershakeman posted:The phantom menace wasn't good, but it was undeniably memorable. That's not something I think you can say about this movie despite it having the best leads of all seven outings I changed my mind. This movie is quite memorable. From Rey sledding down a Star Desteoyer dune to Kylo slapping his leg. Great movie.
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KakerMix posted:Yeah Kylo is a fantastic bad guy. Like was said already, his performance is what Anakin is supposed to be. TBF, Snoke is a worse name than anything Lucas came up with
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Heavy Metal posted:That's just called a beard, and he's at least C-list, let's be fair. Yeah, the First Order troopers seem much more dangerous than their OT counterparts. I never got the impression that FO Troopers were inept or cannon fodder. Even Finn, a recently promoted janitor who choked during his first mission, has enough training with melee weapons to wield a lightsaber somewhat competently (even if he's understandably useless against a force user).
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Spergatory posted:All I can say is that Ben Solo better have a better loving excuse for going darkside than Anakin "Time to murder a bunch of kids so this Shady rear end in a top hat will save my dying wife, maybe" Skywalker. I hope it's something more like he espoused the legacy of his grand father, more than "tragedy happened! time to be a bad guy". I feel like the Vader helmet and the Rey interrogation scene hinted at the first possibility. Lloyd Boner posted:TBF, Snoke is a worse name than anything Lucas came up with Yeah seriously, that's like a name for a fluffly cat, Mr Snoke.
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Lloyd Boner posted:TBF, Snoke is a worse name than anything Lucas came up with I felt like the names in the movie were a tongue-in-cheek joke about how Fantasy\Sci-fi names are all absurd anyway.
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crowbb posted:Avoided this thread until saw the movie but here are a few of my thoughts... I took that as everyone in the new order is a wannabee imperial. most of them are young and probably never actually lived when the empire ruled or were really young so they only have the core principles to go on. and alot of them are probaly kids of ex imperials.
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