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Oh wow. After pretty much hating every minute of the Cosworth RS500 (80s) but still doing well enough to place third in Professional, I bought myself a 2011 WRX STI. I think I'm in love. Thing travels faster than bad news and stops on a dime. Also pleasantly oversteery but generally goes where I want it to. I still stack it into logpiles in Wales because gently caress Wales, though. And gently caress Monte Carlo too, who thought it was a good idea to put the grippiest surface and the slipperiest surface in the same stage 8 goddamn times in the same rally?
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Every poster itt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdBuwzRAEAw
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I think Montecarlo is non-Euclidean. "Hairpin left into left 3 into square left". /edit: Question regarding progress: Is there a recommended way to go through the cars? For example, I just finished a championship (3rd place, DNF the last event after I wrapped myself around a tree  ) with the cooper and got around ~195k; which actually lets me get group B cars; should I just go for that, or is it better if you go through a championship with cars from each "decade" in turn?
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Dec 22, 2015 15:17
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Do whatever you want to do! The fact that there isn't really a prescribed route is one of the best parts of the career mode
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Dec 22, 2015 16:01
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Edmond Dantes posted:I think Montecarlo is non-Euclidean. "Hairpin left into left 3 into square left". 
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IceAgeComing posted:Do whatever you want to do! The fact that there isn't really a prescribed route is one of the best parts of the career mode When I was playing at my friend's I went from the mini to the 70s Escort (RWD) and I proceeded to spin out and crash every time I tried using it, so I was thinking on skipping the RWD bastards but maybe they were useful as a training of sorts for the upper tier cars. Skwee posted:could be like I was thinking more  but with cars. /edit: yeah, this is going well! 
Edmond Dantes fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Dec 22, 2015 16:17
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Bodywork is overrated anyway.
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Dec 22, 2015 17:21
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Black Griffon posted:Every poster itt: Not nearly enough crashes. As for going through the RWD cars, there is some merit to learning how to drive before moving on to the 4WD beasts, but I wouldn't say it's necessary.
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Dec 22, 2015 17:28
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Jehde posted:As for going through the RWD cars, there is some merit to learning how to drive before moving on to the 4WD beasts, but I wouldn't say it's necessary. The RWD cars will teach you throttle control, which is only going to make you faster in the 4WD cars if you can get it. I like the RWD cars because they fill a hole most sim racing games are filling recently which is having a 'trainer' car in the list. A car that is hard to control and be fast in, but learning to control it means learning a very basic set of techniques that will make you better in every other car. Like I spent much of the weekend driving the Lotus 25 in Assetto Corsa, a stupidly unstable old F1 car and have seen my performance improve in F1 2015 as a result, and I feel like I wouldn't be as good in the F2 and R4 cars as I am unless I'd spent the time getting good with the 70s and 80s cars first.
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Black Griffon posted:Every poster itt: Still not decided if my grandma driving me to school in that car was more or less scary than this. Regarding progression, 1970 RWD cars are probably a good compromise between school of good handling and decent useability, by not being powerful enough to send you spinning into a ditch every time you look at the throttle wrong (which happens with 1980s and group B RWD). I suggest getting also a group B 4WD car to break up the tension, so you can be tense in all different ways.
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It's official: the WRC2001 Impreza is now my favorite car. Not because I own a bugeye WRX, but because I now have the settings for it dialed in just right and it's the only car I've been able to consistently spank the Masters AI with. It just drives so well!
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Pretty sure my attempts to learn to use my wheel with Dirt Rally have actually made me better with the controller too, which I still used for this past week's goon league because controller is more comfortable thus far; feel like I have a better grasp for what the car is doing even with a controller post-wheel experience. Maybe this week I'll use my wheel for goon league though, despite still feeling way less comfortable with it than controller, since it looks like I'm second to our random non-goon Russian regardless of position (unless he somehow managed to get 3rd or lower, which I doubt'll happen). Irae posted:Regarding progression, 1970 RWD cars are probably a good compromise between school of good handling and decent useability, by not being powerful enough to send you spinning into a ditch every time you look at the throttle wrong (which happens with 1980s and group B RWD). I suggest getting also a group B 4WD car to break up the tension, so you can be tense in all different ways.  ) because the E30 has enough power that you can be much more choosy when to get on the throttle; the long wheelbase also makes it rather stable (especially compared with the Stratos).I followed natural class progression (literally just going left to right across classes), but part of that was that you also had to buy crew slots back near the start of early access so I was balancing expanding my crew slots (see: huge towards improving repair efficiency) with progression and was just going next cheapest set of cars repeatedly. The fact that you're free to progress how you want is pretty nice though.
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Black Griffon posted:Every poster itt: Haha, that looks like a hell of a good time
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4WD/AWD are often considered the training wheels most people use to get into RWD racing. In a rally situation the advantages you get when losing traction in a car like the WRX or Mitsubishi Evo are so great that it would seem that RWD is really for the enthusiasts looking for a challenge or wanting to really figure out how, why and when to use the handbrake or clutchkick on top of your basic throttle/brake control. In terms of progression and looking at the prices of vehicles across the board IMO the best way to dive into it all is to drive the default FWD car until you have enough to get a Group B 4WD car. The price of 70s/80s cars in this game is around $60-120k while if you simply wait a bit you can get into the real monster group starting at only $140k. RWD cars are fun because they're cheap, crazy and and kill you. If you care about fast racing times I would say that the next step is to jump into either R4 with the WRX/Mistubishi Evo or try Hillclimbing which all sit around the $200-300k price range. If you're gonna save up for a $600k you may as well wait for a proper Rallycross car if only to experience completely new gameplay. The oddball choice are the Kit cars. They sit in the middle of the 4WD and RWD cars you'll have encountered by now both in terms of handling and price. They are weird because iirc they are front wheel drive but my only experience with them is a few random online challenges and I don't remember the understeering being THAT bad but they definitely feel like a weird breed of their own when you look at what else is available in this game. edit: Goon League seems to be using Group B cars so maybe don't even bother buying one and you'll get to play them all for free 
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So what exactly is the proper strategy for handling jumps without totally throwing the car off balance when landing? Is this something I can mitigate properly with suspension tuning (in Group B at least) or do I just need to slow it down? Because right now I have to slow down more than I'm comfortable with before taking any sort of bumps or jumps so I don't eat poo poo on landing.
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Flat out over the jump, off the power slightly in mid-air otherwise you get Atomic Wheelspin Of Death on landing and end up in a tree/snowbank. That's for straight line jumps anyway, the Finland corners over jumps it's just about positioning the car accordingly to account for it and otherwise taking the corner normally. So I'll take a 3 over jump like I'd take any other 3 but try and get the car turned in further than normal because it's going straight once it hits the jump regardless of where it's pointed.
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Upgraded to a GTX 970 and this game looks great when cranked to Ultra.
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njsykora posted:Flat out over the jump, off the power slightly in mid-air otherwise you get Atomic Wheelspin Of Death on landing and end up in a tree/snowbank. That's for straight line jumps anyway, the Finland corners over jumps it's just about positioning the car accordingly to account for it and otherwise taking the corner normally. So I'll take a 3 over jump like I'd take any other 3 but try and get the car turned in further than normal because it's going straight once it hits the jump regardless of where it's pointed. Yeah, I'm just having trouble getting straightened out in when it lands because the suspension is just bouncing up and down forever. And I have no idea what to do to mitigate this except slow down, which I don't know if that's proper "rally strategy" or not. I guess I'm just going to have to suck it up and learn how to adjust the car for different surfaces.
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Renounced posted:Yeah, I'm just having trouble getting straightened out in when it lands because the suspension is just bouncing up and down forever. And I have no idea what to do to mitigate this except slow down, which I don't know if that's proper "rally strategy" or not. I guess I'm just going to have to suck it up and learn how to adjust the car for different surfaces. Did you watch the video someone posted about how to rally? He mentions slowing before the jump, then accelerating over it so that you don't land nose-first, and he also mentions making sure that you don't land all 4 wheels at once, since that causes you to bounce, and instead trying to land the wheels at different times so that you don't bounce. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WlBntwsOdA
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Skwee posted:Did you watch the video someone posted about how to rally? He mentions slowing before the jump, then accelerating over it so that you don't land nose-first, and he also mentions making sure that you don't land all 4 wheels at once, since that causes you to bounce, and instead trying to land the wheels at different times so that you don't bounce. I missed this. Thanks for the heads up.
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Red_Fred posted:Upgraded to a GTX 970 and this game looks great when cranked to Ultra.
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Post I was not expecting to make, Sebastian Loeb Rally might actually turn out to be quite good. Seems to have a way tougher damage model and the stage design is narrow and twisty as all hell. Also Celica. I'm still reserving any kind of opinion until I get to try it with a wheel but if you have a PS4/Xbone with a wheel might be worth checking out.Great Joe posted:I really wish this wasn't necessary. Performance jumps so far between the different environments. For what it's worth, there's usually very little difference between high and ultra settings in most games. It's just a setting that was put there largely to be in graphics card marketing, the 'audio warmth' of videogames.
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Great Joe posted:I really wish this wasn't necessary. Performance jumps so far between the different environments. I haven't upgraded my computer in 6 years and I can run dirt rally at reasonable framerate is enough for me. I don't even have to go for low settings.
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Great Joe posted:I really wish this wasn't necessary. Performance jumps so far between the different environments. It's not necessary for this game at all. But this game does look good.
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Thel posted:Oh wow. After pretty much hating every minute of the Cosworth RS500 (80s) but still doing well enough to place third in Professional, I bought myself a 2011 WRX STI. I think I'm in love. After a couple championships on the E3 Evo to get a feel for RWD driving I got enough money and decided to try a 4WD car, and I went for the 2011 WRX STI. Man, it's a loving pleasure to drive after being in fishtail county with the E3. It's loving terrifying when you get it on a long stretch and it picks up speed, but I'm doing way better than I thought I would after the category jump.
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I did the league. Nailed the bridge railing on the first stage after taking the corner before too fast, looked like I just destroyed my front axle. Also Logitech wheel users should at least try this FFB setup because its pretty ridiculous. A rally driver trying to set it up so it feels like his car, and it's pretty brutal.
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Edmond Dantes posted:After a couple championships on the E3 Evo to get a feel for RWD driving I got enough money and decided to try a 4WD car, and I went for the 2011 WRX STI. Man, it's a loving pleasure to drive after being in fishtail county with the E3. I find with the WRX I screw up far less often, but when I do gently caress up it's spectacular. Missed a left 4 (or something relatively easy) after a long straight in Germany and rolled it 11 times, as an example. But yeah, it climbs into sixth gear real fast and it seems like the handling gets a bit touchy when you're getting up toward top speed. (I should probably try a Group B RWD car for touchy handling, but I'm not that masochistic yet...) The other tricky bit is the Finland jump-into-immediate-turn trick, if you get the angle microscopically wrong you're going to meet a tree or a ditch.
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Thel posted:I find with the WRX I screw up far less often, but when I do gently caress up it's spectacular. Missed a left 4 (or something relatively easy) after a long straight in Germany and rolled it 11 times, as an example. But yeah, it climbs into sixth gear real fast and it seems like the handling gets a bit touchy when you're getting up toward top speed. You just need to slow down enough such that the wheels don't leave the surface, mostly for turns 4 and below. After Group B it feels like any of the other standard rally cars are a walk in the park to drive. Or at least don't brutalize you the whole way down the stage. Also I did this last night. Now dreading doing the same for Group B RWD   I know there's a lot of love for the 205 T16, but holy poo poo that car is exhausting to drive.
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njsykora posted:Also Logitech wheel users should at least try this FFB setup because its pretty ridiculous. A rally driver trying to set it up so it feels like his car, and it's pretty brutal. Thanks for posting this, because it feels wonderful. It's by far the most satisfying FFB setup I've used with Dirt.
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Finally manned up and bought a Lancia 037. Oh god.  I'm now stacking it into trees even faster and with even less control than I've ever had. edit: This car is mean. 
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I still find the menu structure of this game confusing. I thought I was in the next level of a championship only to find out that I'm back in the beginner one even though I already qualified for the next level?  That whole set-up could be made far less confusing I feel.
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Red_Fred posted:I still find the menu structure of this game confusing. I thought I was in the next level of a championship only to find out that I'm back in the beginner one even though I already qualified for the next level? You can get demoted if you do bad enough in a championship, or abandon the championship.
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I must have accidentally abandoned a championship then. Either way the menu system in this game is stupid.
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Thel posted:Finally manned up and bought a Lancia 037. Oh god. It gets better, and the satisfaction is big. Stratos / 037 in Sweden has to be the most brutal training for control and clean driving possible, but it really helps. Going back to the Lancia S4 for the goon league felt like cheating.
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starting at 1 min 30 could be some of the coolest real life is like a computer game footage ive seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EojvVMoqN0&t=90s edit: actually this whole video is gold. Qmass fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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Haha, 5:17 holy poo poo.
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In case any of you nerds have Automation, there's an design contest going on in LP.
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Finally finished Masters Wales in my Lancia 037. I don't know if my sphincter will ever unclench. 
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Qmass posted:starting at 1 min 30 could be some of the coolest real life is like a computer game footage ive seen All of this is pretty incredible to watch.
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