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Combed Thunderclap posted:Don't see why they can't at least try him in absentia; legally attempt to summon him and have a dedicated set of defenders The flat out illegal one was when we also executed his 16 year old son and everybody else sitting in the same cafe because why leave a loose end around, which is why we pinky-swore we didn't do that one on purpose just like nobody was actually responsible for blowing up that doctors without borders hospital after all~
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DrProsek posted:and b) a staunch Republican doesn't really have any room to criticize a president for extrajudicial killings. Why not - did Bush drone strike US citizens?
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Why not - did Bush drone strike US citizens? Please highlight where Bush would have hesitated on this, considering the drone program was started under his watch, as well as the black torture sites. I doubt he would've done any differently.
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Joementum posted:At the US Naval Observatory: a gingerbread version of the Joseph R. Biden Amtrak Station in Wilmington, Delaware. Truth, beauty & light yet remain in the world.
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CommieGIR posted:Please highlight where Bush would have hesitated on this "Please prove Bush wouldn't have done something he didn't do" I.... uh.....
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So that 355+ mass shooting number you've heard everywhere....uh....might just be coming from Redditquote:The statistics now being highlighted in the news come primarily from shootingtracker.com, a website built by members of a Reddit forum supporting gun control called GunsAreCool. That site aggregates news stories about shooting incidents — of any kind — in which four or more people are reported to have been either injured or killed. He gets into more detail here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/12/no-there-were-not-355-mass-shootings-this-year
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CommieGIR posted:Please highlight where Bush would have hesitated on this, considering the drone program was started under his watch, as well as the black torture sites. I doubt he would've done any differently. You can't prove a negative so this is a dumb statement, especially when there is plenty to criticize the GOP on like their candidates advocating for the same poo poo. The asshat in question may or mat not believe that an extrajudicial killing is moral or allowable in the given circumstances, but you're letting him define the moral highground over two incidents that are minor in totality and not without precedent. Plenty of Americans have been killed by Americans in a wartime setting. Moreover, plenty of Americans are killed by Americans in authoritative roles every week, extra-judicially. The end result of any conversation on this is that no one is the paragon of moral excellence, and by extension, no category of people. Therefore even having the discussion is academic at best. What really matters is the shades of grey that people like to avoid because it isn't easy, and given the context of our politics, it's undeniable that the current GOP is quite a bit more black than white, and more so than the Democrats for any number of reasons. Boon fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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TheDisreputableDog posted:"Please prove Bush wouldn't have done something he didn't do" Bush didn't -- as far as we know -- do it. BUt that doesn't imply that he wouldn't, or that the entirety of the current Republican party outside of some fringers like the Pauls wouldn't also. And as per usual, you're ducking around the real issues and trying to claim a moral high ground, rather than, as usual, admit you were wrong.
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I think I can offer Ted Cruz a fair compromise - we'll build a wall around Texas
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Boon posted:The asshat in question may or mat not believe that an extrajudicial killing is moral or allowable Well, I can formulate a post without a lame personal attack, at a minimum. quote:Moreover, plenty of Americans are killed by Americans in authoritative roles every week, extra-judicially. Sure this seems like a pretty solid parallel to a police action: "Sir, there's an armed terrorist in that cafe having lunch with his family" *blows up entire cafe and everyone in it*
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Sure this seems like a pretty solid parallel to a police action: What the police lack in scale, I imagine they make up for in frequency.
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GalacticAcid posted:
I'll see your gold standard and raise you one tub of aqua regia.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Why not - did Bush drone strike US citizens? Given the rate of civilian casualties in Bush's drone strikes, it's not credible that he would have stopped short of drone strikes that would kill someone with a US passport. It did not seem to matter if the killing the victims was lawful or justified. Further, he approved the kidnapping and torture of foreign nationals in violation of international law. If you commit one crime against humanity, I ain't gonna give you the benefit of the doubt you won't do another.
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Shageletic posted:So that 355+ mass shooting number you've heard everywhere....uh....might just be coming from Reddit I wanted to quote this with a witty remark but the story itself is funny enough.
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UberJew posted:The flat out illegal one was when we also executed his 16 year old son and everybody else sitting in the same cafe because why leave a loose end around, which is why we pinky-swore we didn't do that one on purpose Its not an execution if you eliminate a terrorist target. Don't like it? Don't surround yourself with terrorists. Last I recall, we nuked a Japanese city which held American POWs and won the war, saving tens of millions of lives in the process. There are more important issues in war than a few collateral damages. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:Its not an execution if you eliminate a terrorist target. Don't like it? Don't surround yourself with terrorists. This is the platonic MIGF post.
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GalacticAcid posted:
Why not $2m? It's all WORTHLESS FIAT, after all.
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Joementum posted:Why not $2m? It's all WORTHLESS FIAT, after all. He's not Rand Paul, Joe.
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My Imaginary GF posted:He's not Rand Paul, Joe. Yes he is.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Its not an execution if you eliminate a terrorist target. Don't like it? Don't surround yourself with terrorists. Nah our excuse on that one was that it was made in error (who made the error?  nobody was actually responsible in the end just like with the dwb hospital~ ) and we were targeting an egyptian terrorist who wasn't there at allkeep up with the official story, friend
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UberJew posted:Nah our excuse on that one was that it was made in error (who made the error? At this point it's pretty well established that Rahm Emanuel is a lovely liar.
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Joementum posted:Why not $2m? It's all WORTHLESS FIAT, after all. Cruz only wants to crucify us on a crux simplex of gold.
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dude is clearly just posting bs without thing. people keep replying to him continuing the circle of idiotic bs. good job d&d
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Combed Thunderclap posted:Debate rating are out and they're...7.85 million?! Would you say this is good news...for Hillary?
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I think TDD is just angry that Obama will never have a catastrophic foreign policy fuckup that will temper the Democrats' election chances for decades to come.
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Fiction posted:I think TDD is just angry that Obama will never have a catastrophic foreign policy fuckup that will temper the Democrats' election chances for decades to come. Let me tell you about the upcoming Michael Bay film.
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Logikv9 posted:If it were up to the GOP, we'd be storming in there with cavalry. Military is movies for them and if you don't get immediate results in 1 month or less you're doing it wrong. This would be a bad idea, we don't have as many horses as we used to.
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Here's a video of Bernie Sanders getting confused about what the words "data breach","bug" and "vulnerability" mean. He also gets confused on timelines (he thinks his team got Clinton data in October). He's also confused on how the Clinton voter data got into his campaign's hands: quote:Sanders: as a result of a breach by the DNC vendor, information came into our campaign, we didn't go out and take it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byGezH745bA&feature=youtu.be&t=3m53s
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Joementum posted:I actually watched the review and the "Pentagon propaganda" aspect is even funnier than I thought. It's because Rey is a strong woman, so this is obviously an attempt to indoctrinate America into supporting the decision to allow women into combat roles in the US military. I'm pretty disappointed, that's some surface-level, scrub-tier film reading. I want to see a detailed, Zizek-style essay about why The Force Awakens is an endorsement of Obama's ISIS strategy.
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Pffff. That's nothing. The Shining is Kubrick apologizing for helping NASA fake the moon landing according to a guy in the documentary Room 217.
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Shageletic posted:So that 355+ mass shooting number you've heard everywhere....uh....might just be coming from Reddit I thought this was the entire point of their number though? Like they specifically counted their mass shootings as four or more victims and the official numbers are five (I think?) fatalities.
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deoju posted:Pffff. That's nothing. The Shining is Kubrick apologizing for helping NASA fake the moon landing according to a guy in the documentary Room 217. That's kind of tame by Cinemo Discusso standards. Shakenbaker posted:I thought this was the entire point of their number though? Like they specifically counted their mass shootings as four or more victims and the official numbers are five (I think?) fatalities. The Reddit standard (oh god) considers injuries of three or more to count as a mass shooting. The FBI considers four or more KILLED to be a mass shooting. The former also disregards the intention behind the act, lumping in crime figures and crimes of familial passion and the like. Here's the FBI's definition, according to their website. quote:An active shooter is an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area This further separates the two figures, by focusing more on the intent of the perpetrator. I mean, that still means we're getting a shitload of mass shooting events, compared to other developed countries. 6 or more is crazy. But 355 is plainly not right, and contributes to a state of hysteria in our culture about the subject. EDIT: The governmental standard has actually been reduced to THREE killed, not four.
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GalacticAcid posted:Bill Simmons joins the D&D backlash against Nate Silver. Good, Nate Silver followed Gladwell up his own rear end into irrelevance.
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SSNeoman posted:Same. Due process doesn't fly out the window just because of varying degrees of "terrorist sympathies". If you have evidence, arrest and send him to trial. If you don't then oh well you can't. I know that's not how the country functions nowadays, but it should be. I don't get this argument. Due process isn't a citizen-only thing. The selective chauvinism of the left on this issue is just idiotic
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Mulva posted:Good, Nate Silver followed Gladwell up his own rear end into irrelevance. Honestly, you see this happen all the time in academia as well as the miscellaneous sphere of intelligensia that circles academe. Someone comes up with a single good idea or model (in Silver's case, a basic polling model that, shocker, actually controls for polling house accuracy), everyone sucks their dick for a few years and throws accolades and money at them, eventually their bubble bursts as people slowly realize that a single good model/idea is not intrinsically a predictor of future performance for, say, running a major media site that revolves around turning "data"/sports stats into "news" as fast as humanly possible. (Really good in-depth data analysis and research can take years.) Then they hang around for a decade or so since their name still possesses sufficient amounts of intrinsic value that they can keep riding on that legacy. (Nate Silver will be called into CNN for every year leading up to the next two elections at the least.) See also: Nassim Taleb, Jared Diamond, etc. This phenomenon also extends to various moguls (Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Elon Musk), but since their success is based around ideas/products that generate large amounts of money, a self-perpetuating force if there ever was one, their dicks are usually sucked into eternity. And even if you start to poke holes in their supposed unbelievable brilliance, the fact remains that they had enormous amounts of money at one point in time, which is sufficient for them to be designated as Idols of Innovation™ by the majority of the populace. EDIT: See also: Donald Trump. How ever did I forget that one. ...I actually still like Nate Silver and The Signal and the Noise is actually a good read but god fivethirtyeight.com is such poo poo ._. Combed Thunderclap fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Dec 23, 2015 |
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oh good we're talking about drones again I get to repost my standard "the extrajudicial argument is total bullshit"The Iron Rose posted:
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Mulva posted:Good, Nate Silver followed Gladwell up his own rear end into irrelevance. Nate Silver is good at one thing: using polls to project presidential elections. Once he can start doing that again D&D will come crawling back.
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