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Uuuuggghrrhrghrh  I never understood how people who ride could keep misunderstanding this, until I got the heavy bastard I've got now. On smaller bikes (but still heavier than a bicycle) you can give the inside bar a shove and then feel the wheel track in to the turn. On a heavier bike, the wheel still tracks in, but you have to maintain a lot more pressure to stop it going in too far and standing the bike up. I guess to someone who didn't really get what was going on, that would feel like they're pushing right (steering the wheel left) to go right, and then holding it there throughout the turn. I say "guess", I've met riders irl who think that's what they're doing. BlackMK4 posted:holy gently caress here we go I'm sorry but this is my first time and I couldn't resist. Next time I'll just roll my eyes and post Twist of The Wrist 2, I promise.
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Dec 23, 2015 18:28
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 Guys guys guys. do it on one wheel.
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Dec 23, 2015 18:58
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Why is countersteering a contentious thing again? I thought basically everyone here knows how to turn a bike?
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Dec 23, 2015 19:01
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WOOHOO MY FAVORITE TOPICTactical Lesbian posted:
Jogging speed is fast enough to notice it on a bicycle. Basically any speed that will require a lean to corner. Slavvy posted:Why is countersteering a contentious thing again? I thought basically everyone here knows how to turn a bike? Everybody knows but nobody agrees.
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Dec 23, 2015 19:06
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Shimrod you better listen up, I know you have no idea AncientTV fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Dec 23, 2015 |
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Dec 23, 2015 19:09
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goddamnedtwisto posted:After that, fuses would be first step, then go over the last work methodically - take out or bypass the components you installed one by one and see what happens. Ignition fuse was blown. I tried to do a quick visual check this morning without taking them out and didn't see it, but even if I had all I've got spare is a 30A. Even if I'd had a pocketful of 10A fuses I'm not sure I'd have tried to ride off on one without having time to diagnose exactly why it blew. I'll pick up a bunch of spares tomorrow if I can, and start going over possible causes. My first suspicion is that I might have temporarily shorted a live and ground wire on the back of the instrument cluster (because when I say "might have" I mean I definitely did that but I'm not sure if that would cause the ignition circuit to surge  )
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Dec 23, 2015 19:11
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I steer on the highway with my fat rear end & aerodynamic drag, no handlebars, works for me hth
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Dec 23, 2015 20:15
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Renaissance Robot posted:Uuuuggghrrhrghrh You can turn any motorbike (or bicycle) without ever touching the bars, and that is literally all I'm going to say on the matter.
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Dec 23, 2015 20:52
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Tactical Lesbian posted:AMSOIL I feel the need to point out that that literally leans the bike into the corner. Which is why I left the question there. goddamnedtwisto posted:You can turn any motorbike (or bicycle) without ever touching the bars, and that is literally all I'm going to say on the matter. I love that this is true and anyone could prove it to themselves if they went out and did it, but people still argue it can't be done.
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Dec 23, 2015 20:56
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I mean it can, but barely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_5Z3jyO2pA Go to 2:12, it won't let me timelink for some reason
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Dec 23, 2015 21:09
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Replaced my battery ~2 months ago, been having issues holding a charge. I got http://www.autozone.com/miscellaneo.../?checkfit=true which came "pre-charged" but I guess the cooler temps + my short commute killed this one? It's still under warrenty so I'm going to return it and get the non-premium version I've used in the past that didn't give me any of these drat issues. Spend less, get a better battery I guess; only downside is I have to buy it, fill it with acid, then take it back in for them to charge then come back later to pick it up but whatever if it actually works.
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Dec 23, 2015 21:57
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Please of the love of god everyone start talking about batteries again. edit: Thank you Gillingham.
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Dec 23, 2015 21:58
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If you ask they'll probably fill it for you and let you come pick it up rather than shipping it.
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Dec 23, 2015 22:06
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Renaissance Robot posted:If you ask they'll probably fill it for you and let you come pick it up rather than shipping it. Oh I've never bother getting it shipped, I just get this from autozone. It's some company policy regarding the acid fill apparently, I just walk out the door, open up the box and fill it, and walk right back in to get it charged. That or they want to upsell you on the shittier "premium" version I got this time. Is there a better place online? Whenever I run into these issue it's basically be without a vehicle so half the time I ride my bicycle over to autozone to do the swap unless I want to ask the girlfriend for a ride. Gillingham fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Dec 23, 2015 |
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Dec 23, 2015 22:10
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Shimrod posted:Huh? How else are you turning if you're not leaning the motorcycle into the corner? Poorly worded. Mountainbikes you want to get the bike leaned over as far as possible to get the outside bunks on the tyre to grip (so your weight is on the outside of the bike), basically pushing it towards horizontal. On a motorcycle you want to keep the bike upright in turns (and lean over the bike into the turn) to keep more traction and clearance. You still want to lean, but the reasons for doing it are different. I'm sorry I restarted the stupid counter-steering poo poo -_- , it works on bikes just like it does on motorcycles.
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Dec 23, 2015 22:12
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Barnsy posted:Poorly worded. Mountainbikes you want to get the bike leaned over as far as possible to get the outside bunks on the tyre to grip (so your weight is on the outside of the bike), basically pushing it towards horizontal. On a motorcycle you want to keep the bike upright in turns (and lean over the bike into the turn) to keep more traction and clearance. You still want to lean, but the reasons for doing it are different. Makes more sense when you word it like that.
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Dec 23, 2015 22:26
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Best hands-free leanin https://youtu.be/vCMzdg6nwwY?t=1m24s caution: bad music Granted at speed it's harder to initiate lean. E: nevermind Infinotize fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Dec 23, 2015 |
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Dec 23, 2015 22:41
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Barnsy posted:Poorly worded. Mountainbikes you want to get the bike leaned over as far as possible to get the outside bunks on the tyre to grip (so your weight is on the outside of the bike), basically pushing it towards horizontal. On a motorcycle you want to keep the bike upright in turns (and lean over the bike into the turn) to keep more traction and clearance. You still want to lean, but the reasons for doing it are different. I got what you meant before the explanation and counter steering poo poo at least
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Dec 23, 2015 22:51
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Shimrod posted:I love that this is true and anyone could prove it to themselves if they went out and did it, but people still argue it can't be done. Tactical Lesbian posted:I steer on the highway with my fat rear end & aerodynamic drag, no handlebars, works for me hth 
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Dec 24, 2015 00:23
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KARMA! posted:Please of the love of god everyone start talking about batteries again. AncientTV posted:I mean it can, but barely.
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Dec 24, 2015 00:58
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:I WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT COUNTERSTEERING 
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Dec 24, 2015 01:23
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:I WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT COUNTERSTEERING It's also helpful when your bike constantly pulls to one side because you didn't double check your chain tensioning but you want to roll down the hill with no hands anyway.
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Dec 24, 2015 03:08
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Wasn't directed at you, was more of a general observation.
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Dec 24, 2015 04:22
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:I WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT COUNTERSTEERING And off-road. But that's entirely different than what's being discussed, I think. I just wanted to help muddy the waters by bringing it up.
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Dec 24, 2015 04:32
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Counter steering doesn't work if you only get up to pussy cruising speeds.
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I mentioned in the tell me what bike to buy thread that I was looking at some Zero motorcycles--probably the plain old S, the smaller battery version 'cos that's all the range I need for daily commute/the odd drive 'round town (and I'm a cheapass  ). Problem I remembered, though, that LiIon batteries apparently lose capacity faster in response to heat, and I live in Las Vegas, where 110 Fahrenheit is a pretty normal summer temperature. Is heat degradation a severe enough problem that I should steer clear as long as I live here? Would a sheet cover or something be enough to ameliorate that?(edit) Another unrelated question I just thought of. If I do get the thing and (knock on wood) ever have to lay it down, is the thing more, or less, likely to be nonfunctional after the fall/require really expensive repairs? Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Dec 24, 2015 |
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Dec 24, 2015 06:17
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Ciaphas posted:(edit) Another unrelated question I just thought of. If I do get the thing and (knock on wood) ever have to lay it down, is the thing more, or less, likely to be nonfunctional after the fall/require really expensive repairs? If you have to Layer Dan an electric bike, it will probably short out and destroy the battery once a metal part of the bike makes contact with the road and grounds the electrical system while it's running 
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Dec 24, 2015 07:54
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Surely a fuse would stop it from fully discharging in the event of a short like that?
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Dec 24, 2015 10:16
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:It only works in a useful way at high speed on high speed roads where all the turns are very wide. Yes, even marginally so. You cannot practically, or certainly safely, control a bike with weight shift alone but can have a direct influence on its path, which is a counter to the common argument of "you cannot steer with weight shift alone". It's a bit like "you cannot take your penis out at the Christmas dinner table". Of course you can, it's physically possible, just not advisable or productive.
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Dec 24, 2015 11:35
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Ola posted:Yes, even marginally so. You cannot practically, or certainly safely, control a bike with weight shift alone but can have a direct influence on its path, which is a counter to the common argument of "you cannot steer with weight shift alone". Yeah, but there are people that will viciously argue that because Keith Code said "You can't take your penis out at the Christmas table" that your penis literally disappears as the Turkey is carved and regrows once the Queen's Speech starts in some bizarre reverse-transubstantiation of the genitals.
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Dec 24, 2015 11:43
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Using BP/weight shifting to steer is still forcing the tire to turn left/fall in right and vice versa, just through indirect input rather than directly through the bars. It is still counter steering / using the same mechanisms / w/e, just not in the direct and obvious way.
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Dec 24, 2015 11:48
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EX250 Type R posted:Using BP/weight shifting to steer is still forcing the tire to turn left/fall in right and vice versa, just through indirect input rather than directly through the bars. It is still counter steering / using the same mechanisms / w/e, just not in the direct and obvious way. Yes, exactly. See forum, we CAN talk about this! *runs into the street like Scrooge* We CAN! We CAN! Merry Christmas!
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Dec 24, 2015 11:51
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My battery still works guys. How are yours?
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Dec 24, 2015 17:59
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Got caught in a huge thunderstorm at like 2am this morning riding home. It was warm tho. Riding in warm rain is... kinda nice? I just need little wiper blades for my helmet.
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Dec 24, 2015 18:01
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KARMA! posted:My battery still works guys. How are yours? Working great, recently replaced.  I have no idea how I was able to push a V-Strom 1000 up a hill, but god that sucked. A MIRACLE posted:Got caught in a huge thunderstorm at like 2am this morning riding home. It was warm tho. Riding in warm rain is... kinda nice? I just need little wiper blades for my helmet. Hell yeah, it's great!
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Dec 24, 2015 18:04
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KARMA! posted:My battery still works guys. How are yours? many year old yuasa still ticking  tag, frame, and battery. 3 things I've yet to replace.
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Dec 24, 2015 18:07
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I just recently plugged mine into the trickle charger... winter and all. Light turned green a few hours later. Nothing else really to report.
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Dec 24, 2015 18:09
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A MIRACLE posted:Got caught in a huge thunderstorm at like 2am this morning riding home. It was warm tho. Riding in warm rain is... kinda nice? I just need little wiper blades for my helmet. Turn your head, wind takes care of it.
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KARMA! posted:My battery still works guys. How are yours? I have a problem with mine. The electrons seem to be flowing from minus to plus, shouldn't they flow from plus to minus?
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