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InwardChaos posted:Also, you have the Open Cap listed as the statue's Normal drop instead of the Rock Shard. Whoops. That's fixed now.
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The consequences of writing updates in Sublime Text instead of something with spellcheck.  That has also been fixed.
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Ragnar Homsar posted:The consequences of writing updates in Sublime Text instead of something with spellcheck. Here's spell-check documentation for sublime; you might instead prefer Google-powered spellcheck.
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Update 6: Introductions Well it was decided that our guild's name would be... Guild. This will probably get horrifically confusing. Excellent. Pffft. I'm cracking up already. The townsfolk had one time lines for when Arianna joined the party. And like that time, they have one time lines for Bertrand and Chloe joining. Let's see what Dubois has to say normally. And now that we have our full Story Mode party, special audio conversations will play if we wait around long enough in places. Now let's leave.  My head is spinning already. Wait, how old are you people? I can never tell with you anime types. Hey, only I get to dumpster on Flavio. Like that, see?  Let's ask about Bertrand first. We need to pick all the choices in order to proceed with the game. This time, let's ask about Chloe. And now that we asked every question, we can select “Nothing, really” to move on with the game. And now we can talk to Cass for some new one time dialogue. And here's an audio only conversation that can play here. And now that we have all 5 party members, we can take quests now. But for the most part, the dialogue for these tend to be the same as in Classic, so I won't be showing most of these off. Let's head to the inn, next. And here's an audio only conversation that you can hear here. Phew. Getting a freaky arm, and a huge power boost sure was exhausting. I think I should take a nap.  As you sit there, you hear a knock at your door. Can't say I do. Yeah uh, I have no idea what you're talking about. Alone again in your room, you have only the silence for company. It is late, and you decide to rest in preparation for tomorrow... We need to choose all of these to proceed with the game. ...I don't remember that. Where am I? Who are you? And after choosing all three options... And then we wake up at the inn. So what happened just there only happens in Story Mode. Whenever you sleep at the inn, and the clock goes past 2 AM when you sleep, you'll get an inn scene. These are basically talks you can have with your party members. And they are missable. You get a new inn scene each time you reach a new floor, so if you want to see them all, you're only allowed to miss one floor per Stratum. Oh and a word of warning. If auto save is turned on, and you trigger an inn scene, the game will not save when you go to sleep. Some people have lost a lot of progress because of that. So be sure to save right after when you see one. Abigail gives the spiel about Ariadne Threads. It's the same as it was in Classic. Here's what she says now that we have Bertrand and Chloe with us. And here's an audio only conversation that takes place here.  Another audio only conversation for the road. And let's head out! The sight is familiar to you by now, but the black-robed girl halts and looks about her with sparkling eyes. In contrast to the black-robed girl, the protector seems to have no strong feelings toward the forest at all. Let's hurry on ahead. We don't have time for slowpokes. Deciding that there is no time to waste chatting, you leave the pair behind and move on in search of the guard. And now that we have our full party, here's an audio only conversation that plays in this Stratum. As the young man astutely notices, the hedgehog seems to be stuck. These monsters typically attack you on sight, and so taking its life would be the safer course. But Arianna has a point as well... The monster is defenseless before you. Though you would receive no reward for your aid—it is not hard to imagine that it may even turn on you for your troubles. You consider all aspects of the situation carefully before making your decision. Now while for dialogue options, I intend to pick the silly ones whenever possible, in the Labyrinth, I'll be choosing the best choices in events to make my life easier, for the most part. Everything is still trying to kill us here. So we're going to help the hedgehog. You hate to leave the hedgehog in its predicament, so you step toward it, intending to lend a hand... But the hedgehog only reacts by squirming about even more frantically! Let's stare at it. You stare at the hedgehog that struggles mightily against the tree roots. It occurs to you that you have never before had an opportunity to stare at a hedgehog's exposed belly... ......It's surprisingly cute. Our protagonist, ladies and gentlemen. While you were lost in your reverie, the hedgehog seems to have tired itself out, and is now still. Reminded of the task at hand, you work to pull the hedgehog clear from the tree. ......The hedgehog, exhausted by its wriggling, does not resist, and your task goes smoothly and without incident. You nod to the woman before gently letting the hedgehog go towards the brush. You may end up fighting it someday, but for now, you have saved a life. Satisfied by that, you return to exploring. Some events in Story Mode will play out differently than in Classic. For one thing, we managed to avoid taking damage there, while a Classic party can't avoid that. The woman's wistful gaze leads to a tree shorter than the others nearby, with many vibrant orange fruits growing from it. You are highly tempted to try eating one of the orange fruits... Might as well give them a try, since mostly everyone seems to be okay with it. Flavio picks enough for all of you and hands them out. The fruit has a thick skin, but a sweet citrus scent comes from inside. It looks absolutely mouth-watering... Arianna, however, seems perplexed by the fruit in her hands. The woman takes you at your word and cautiously nibbles at the thick skin. Oh crap, he's onto us! You say in your defense that you didn't expect her to believe you, and then teach the woman how to eat it properly. Once this is done, you bite into your own fruit. The orange-colored fruit's perfect balance of sweet and sour drains all the exhaustion from you! You nod at Bertrand's wisdom and look to the short tree with the fruits growing on it. Happily, there are still unripe fruits left on the branches. Over time, they will ripen and be ready to heal you once more. You nod vaguely at the woman's comment before resuming your exploration. The young survivalist examines the map and checks his surroundings before continuing. Well shoot. Better hope that he went back to town or something. You do as the protector suggests and resume your search for the guard. Screw this, let's go back to town. Flavio did it. Aside from making Flavio soil his pants a little, not really. Sounds like too much work. Friggn fraggin non-choices.  You got a big responsibility, man. And now we can finally go to this place.  You can use the ingredients there to work on new recipes for the cafe. This is the last time we'll get to name something, so think hard about this. What will the name of the cafe be? Araxxor fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Dec 25, 2015 |
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Let's name it MOEbucks, in honor of our new girlfriend.
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theshim posted:Cafe, obviously. Are there really any other choices?  (My vote's for Cafe too.)
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Obviously Cafe
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the Threadmind posted:Oh poo poo who sent loving Guild Guild on that quest I wasn't even here for the vote on this one but given what we've seen out of the Story Mode party so far this is exactly the name they deserve.  alcharagia posted:Let's name it MOEbucks, in honor of our new girlfriend. Can I just cancel out someone's vote? I want to do that with my vote. Not that Cafe Cafe is going to face any serious opposition, but on principle.
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If you need the recipe dialogue, Dr. Fetus, just let me know.
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No, now is when we depart from expectations. Clearly our café should be named Bistro.
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alcharagia posted:Let's name it MOEbucks, in honor of our new girlfriend. Another vote for this.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:If you need the recipe dialogue, Dr. Fetus, just let me know. That would probably be very helpful, since I do intend to show those off.
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Cafe. Duh.
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Small typo Oh, wait, we're naming something? Who's restaurant? Ah well, just call it Regina's and be done with it.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:If you need the recipe dialogue, Dr. Fetus, just let me know. Actually, all of it's up on GameFAQs under the Ducal Restaurant FAQ, along with spoilers for all the recipes and what you need for each one...but, it's honestly pretty spoilerish. Also, we name it MOEbucks because our moest party member deserves it.
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Kemix posted:Actually, all of it's up on GameFAQs under the Ducal Restaurant FAQ, along with spoilers for all the recipes and what you need for each one...but, it's honestly pretty spoilerish. Also, we name it MOEbucks because our moest party member deserves it. Knight?  So moe
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Kemix posted:Actually, all of it's up on GameFAQs under the Ducal Restaurant FAQ, along with spoilers for all the recipes and what you need for each one...but, it's honestly pretty spoilerish. Also, we name it MOEbucks because our moest party member deserves it. Yeah, that's my FAQ. I was going to link him to it. I still need to fix the formatting on there, though. GameFAQs ate a lot of it, so it looks a little ugly at the moment.
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RareAcumen posted:Small typo Fixed. Well, looks like Cafe is the winner here.
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Dr. Fetus posted:Wait, how old are you people? I can never tell with you anime types. I'm pretty sure Arianna, along with Fafnir and Flavio, is supposed to be 16 like Ricky was (in Japan). Atlus USA can get away with that line because the drinking age is >18 in most of North America. I'm fairly sure they'd say the characters are 18, again, like they did with Ricky. Tyty fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Dec 25, 2015 |
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Update 12: Pyro  Don't worry, I've got a Thread already! There probably aren't going to be any situations on 7F where we'd want it (no situations where we can get trapped between an FOE and a wall), but it's better to be safe than sorry.    Oh yeah, one thing about preemptives.  You are guaranteed an escape if you try to Escape on the first turn of a preemptive attack. Pretty useful if you just want to get somewhere and get out, like I do right now.    SYSTEM: The air is tense, and intimidating... You have the distinct feeling that something in the bushes is watching you. Perhaps this aura of menace means that the territorial bear from your request is somewhere close by... SYSTEM: If you throw the honey Cass gave you into the room, the bear may show itself, but it will almost certainly attempt to maul you. If you are prepared, then you can throw the sweet honey, and force the bear to reveal itself.   SYSTEM: Scattered over the ground, the honey's chokingly sweet scent quickly fills the room. Insects buzz, drawn by the sweentess. However, the insects are not the only ones drawn--within moments, a bear lumbers from the bushes, breathing heavily and growling. This must be the bear... Eyes bloodshot, it whirls on you with a snarl, charging towards you for the sake of the honey!    Honey Bear HP: 2100, STR: 23, VIT: 20 Skills:
Though usually docile, if it smells anything sweet, it becomes a force of nature. The Honey Bear's got stats and HP comparable to 1st Stratum FOEs. If you can take those down, this thing won't be much of an issue. Annoyingly, it resists every status ailment except poison.  I unfortunately forgot that this stupid bear resists all the status ailments we can inflict, and didn't enable War Edge Power as a result.  Beast Roar lowers physical attack a decent amount now, so I cast it. It'll take some of the heat off Ursa.  Ranger prepares his normal combo.  I should've just used Illusion Step to get as much damage out of Nadia as possible, in retrospect. She's probably not going to blind the thing.  Milly does the same thing as always.     Yeah, this is why Preemptive Roar is useful. Ursa having to take a turn to set it up means Colette loses nearly all of her HP, and Ranger wouldn't have fared much better.  Ailing Slash is kind of wimpy if it doesn't get its bonus damage, but it's not awful.  I enable Desperation to ensure Ursa can tank everything that'll hit her.    That's better.  The Preludes don't buff up someone's damage much now, but they'll get much better later.  Okay, I got kinda lucky there.   Yeah, if the bear wasn't blinded, Ursa would've taken quite the beating--around 120 damage.  Now that's what I like to see.   As is that.  Oh yeah, sometimes the bear'll skip turns due to the honey.  For the record, here's Ailing Slash after Colette had Ice Prelude applied to her. Troubadors allow for some really broken damage output once they get some levels.      This is probably some insane overkill, but eh. I'm headed back to town after this fight, anyway.    Okay, yeah, that went beyond "insane overkill."  SYSTEM: You keep your eyes on the fallen bear, catching your breath, and sense a great many eyes upon you... Hands on your weapons, you glance around the room, and notice a horde of small forest animals watching anxiously from the door. By their joyful chittering at your victory, you realize they must be the animals driven off by the bear. They scatter in the bushes... SYSTEM: This marks the end of the request. When you have time, you should visit the bar to report your progress.     Everyone got a level up off that. Including the EXP from defeating the bear itself, everyone got 2650 EXP.  I don't want to increase Ailing Slash's TP cost, nor do I really need any more points in Vampire right now, so I opt to have Colette start learning War Lore skills. I'm mainly interested in Artery and Barrier, but those are quite a ways off, and getting them to useful levels is even farther.  I know I was saying how Preemptive Roar is useful, but I opt to have Ursa level up Loyalty Mastery to increase the chance of it halving whatever damage she takes. She's starting to either be put close to dying or just straight-up die from tanking.  Another Freeze Sabre level.  I don't want to really start building towards Hazy Arrow yet, so I max out Blind Arrow. Nadia has the TP pool to handle the 12 TP cost now.  Another point in Shelter Song.   Alright, let's start the new floor.      Fanged Vine HP: 281, STR: 17, VIT: 13 Skills:
A terrifying plant that will bite anyone foolish enough to come near... Fanged Vines aren't that bad on their own, but can become real nuisances with other monsters. Binding Vines is kind of a non-factor in everything, unless it binds a support's head. Gouging Thorn, on the other hand, tries to blind your entire party, which can be a serious hindrance if it hits two or three damage dealers.   Headcut is a War Edge skill that tries to bind an enemy's head if they have an ailment (or if you have War Edge Power on). I don't really like the binding War Edge skills, but they're useful if you need to bind an enemy for a conditional drop, like I...don't need to for the Fanged Vines. While I was recording this, I thought the conditional for Fanged Vines required binding their head.      Aside from wasting War Edge Power, that fight was pretty unremarkable.  Same text as the last squirrel encounter.  SYSTEM: You stand and leave the squealing rodent behind as you continue exploring the forest. Saying yes just leads to getting an Ariadne Thread stolen from you, like the last time this squirrel showed up.  Ohhhh man, I do not like this encounter.  Raging Boar HP: 448, STR: 18, VIT: 15 Skills:
A feral boar whose charge is quite nearly unstoppable. This is the monster that bar patron warned us about. Bullrush already hits really hard on its own, but it can wipe out an entire line when paired with a Giant Moa. Much like the bar patron also said, though, Raging Boars are really weak to blind, which makes them a minor nuisance. Also, that conditional is gonna be fun to get, because our only sources of Bash damage are axes (Zack and Phoebe), staves (Realga, Stardust, Milly, Rheine), and Ursa. I don't even try for it on this trip.    Nothing of note really happened with that encounter, thankfully. Better to have boring battles than ones where I'm at constant danger of dying.   SYSTEM: They look soft and inviting... It would be an excellent place to take a rest. You're sorely tempted to dive into the fallen leaves and forget your cares for a time. SYSTEM: Taking turns standing guard, you dive into the fallen leaves one by one. After frolicking in the leaves, you begin to leave when Ranger cries out sharply!   SYSTEM: It seems Ranger was unlucky enough to jump onto these nuts... Fearing that the fallen leaves could conceal more of the nuts, you give up on resting here and go on your way. Better than the EO2 version of this event, where you would lose an Amrita if your party had 100 total LUC or less.   SYSTEM: You use the opportunity for a short rest and a look around when a sudden revelation causes you to gasp.  SYSTEM: It does not seem to threaten you at the moment, but you cannot say if or when the monster may change its mind. You make a note to be especially cautious of the monster's position as you travel through the area. We take a step to the left, in front of the monster, and...   SYSTEM: Unable to predict its next movements, you decide to distance yourself from it to observe its actions.  SYSTEM: The flames hang in the air at the spot where you stood only a moment ago. To pass through the lingering flames would surely injure you severely. SYSTEM: You fix in your mind the monster's ability to breathe fire at nearby prey as you proceed onward. So Baby Salamanders are 7F's gimmick. If you enter their line of sight (four tiles in front of them), they will spit fire one step later, which pushes you in the direction the Baby Salamander is facing, and deals 30 damage to the party on Expert. After that initial spit, you can walk through the fire just fine for a few steps, although stepping on the fire will hurt the party for 10 HP. A few steps later, the Baby Salamander will spit fire again.   Being damaged looks like this.     This room's pretty simple. There's a path to a gather point and shortcut to our present left, and a path forward that's visible on the top screen screenshot. We have two Baby Salamanders whose lines of sight both go over the path out, but all we have to do is just run forward from in front of the path.    7F's other Chop point.  Like I said, pretty easy.   Next room. There's a Baby Salamander directly overseeing the way into the room.   It's also guarding the way out of the room. Every few steps, the Baby Salamander will turn to face another direction. Unlike some other FOEs in EO2U, the Baby Salamander will only react to you if you are in its direct line of sight. It will react if it turns to face you while you're walking the path, though.     You have to start going for the treasure chest that's just ahead as soon as the Baby Salamander turns around--otherwise, you'll end up getting stopped like this. Also, notice that we have no way out of this!    Bite Earrings provide immunity to blind. Blind's one of the less threatening status ailments, so I dunno why you'd really want to use your accessory slot immunizing yourself against it.   And we're past the Baby Salamander blocking the way out.    We're so close to a shortcut to the door and I'm headed back to town as soon as we get it, so I just have Ranger cheese this encounter.   How does Akashic Nova even work, anyway?   SYSTEM: It appears as though the wall might have some sort of mineral inside... The wall is rather hard and chipping away at it will take some effort. Seeing what a waste of effort it would be, you abandon the idea and leave. There's three spots on 7F that give this exact same text--they're part of an 8F quest we'll see later. The first spot's actually near the entrance (I marked with an E), but I forgot to show it off earlier.   Here's the shortcut I mentioned.  And back we go. Something I haven't shown off: EO2U marks items that are necessary for quests with a red exclamation point in the Sell interface. Previous EO games would tell you if you had the items needed to finish a quest, but usually only if you had all of the required items--if you only had a few, it generally wouldn't tell you, and it ONLY notified you when entering the shop.     Broadaxe is unlocked by selling 3 Steel Fangs. It's a very sizable upgrade from the best 1st Stratum axe. I don't have anyone using axes right now, though. Headdress is unlocked by selling 1 Bendy Vine. I outfit our front liners (minus Ursa) with Headdresses, since the DEF increase is pretty decent over our old Ladybug Hairpins. Chain Glove is unlocked by selling 1 Steel Fang. I also outfit our front liners (plus Ursa) with Chain Gloves, since they provide a decent DEF increase along with +5 HP. Ursa wants every bit of HP she can get so she's as tanky as possible during Desperation. Moa Boots are unlocked by selling 2 Ostrich Tendons. In addition to providing +7 DEF, they also provide +1 STR. If you're outfitting any physical attackers with boots (which I don't generally do), the Moa Boots are a decent choice.  Oh, now this is a rare occurrence! I mentioned this while doing the DLC grinding quests, but the Yggdrasil enemies do have a natural, albeit small, chance to spawn on any floor in the Labyrinth. I don't fight this one because it only gives 1 ingredient, compared to the 30 or so its DLC variant gave.   Alright, now where were we?     Oh, right, more Baby Salamanders. As much as I'd like to just charge forward here, we don't have the distance to make it to the room's exit before the Baby Salamander notices us and forces us back.     There's a small area where we can wait out the other Baby Salamander's fire.   Baby Salamander puzzles really aren't that hard as far as FOEs go. Also, yes, if you can somehow kill that Baby Salamander, you can skip to this room from the one where we got the Treasure Chest.   Just gotta wait for this Baby Salamander to face where we are right now...   And we're home free.   There's also a shortcut here to skip the puzzle on return visits.     Same basic concept as the last room--two Baby Salamanders that prevent us from just making a mad dash to the door.   In addition to the Baby Salamander you can see on the map, here's the other slightly discolored wall.   Since that Baby Salamander to the left is watching that narrow path, we have to wait for the one to the right to turn north, and then run down the lower path.   Or you could do it the Ragnar H. Homsar™ way and get pushed by the fire into the wall.   And then get pushed back by the lower Salamander.   I just opt to walk through the fire since I can reach the safe spots before the Baby Salamander goes off again.   Almost done with 7F. Just got these two doors left.    Behind the far door is the other Chop point of 7F.   And behind the closer door is the stairs.   There's actually something we need to trigger before we go back to town. When we walk in front of the door in front of us, this happens:   SYSTEM: It seems that something unusually strong resides beyond here. To continue may be dangerous. You wonder if it wouldn't be best to return to town first and seek more information at the Grand Duchy. And if we try to get on with the floor through the opposite door:   Call me crazy, but I think there might be a new mission for us at the Grand Duchy.      I have no clue what that whole "here's the map they made" thing is about, since we don't actually get any of the map filled in. EO2 did fill in the Salamander's (then known as Salamox) nest on your map--maybe it's a holdover from that? And since we hit a new floor, everyone in town has new dialogue.   Marion's 8F dialogue.  Onto Cass.  Hey look, we can take on a DLC quest.  Haha just kidding, we'd get loving slaughtered if we tried that. (Look at the recommended level.) Quid pro quo is the first actual quest in the the The beautiful princess line. Rubies are common Mine items from 8F. We'll have to make multiple trips to get 3 of them, but it won't be that bad. Many happy returns: I already know where all three spots are, so there's no point in not getting them all.  There's no new bar patrons, so let's just move onto Regina's 8F dialogue.  Over to Sitoth Trading, where I talk to Abigail before selling my stuff.   Muffler's unlocked by selling 1 Collar Fur. It's a downgrade from the Trust Collar. Mushroom Pin's unlocked by selling 4 Open Caps, and provides immunity to paralysis. Situationally useful on supports like Medics, I suppose.   At this point, I head back into the Labyrinth to get the Hardwood we need for Toward a cozier inn.     New recipes are always good, even if I don't really cook new foods that promptly.  Still working towards Artery and Barrier.  Still increasing the "halve damage" chance.  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And now, time to vote on who'll finish up exploring the 2nd Stratum (8F-10F)! Damage dealers Defense Support 3 votes per person, like every other vote but that first one. And lastly, starting tomorrow, I am going to be on vacation until January 4th, and am not taking my recording 3DS with me, so updates will resume then! Until then, enjoy any new Story mode updates (if they're posted while I'm gone), happy holidays, and an early happy new year.
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RareAcumen posted:Stardust, Sophie, Realga This.
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Ragnar Homsar posted:How does Akashic Nova even work, anyway? basically like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwyVV5_orBo
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Phoebe, Starsust, and Rheine Have fun on your vacation! 
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Jackie, Sohpie, Zack Have fun! Guess I'll hold down the fort in the meantime.
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Game Mechanics: Buff Stacking Diminishing Returns This is going to a very short mechanics post, but it's an important one. In previous EO games, while the player usually had access to a pretty wide variety of buffs from classes like Troubadours or Sovereigns, the meta was (barring EO1, where Defender + Immunize reigned supreme) to just stack as many attack buffs as possible, especially in EO3 thanks to how good Berserker Vow was. Accordingly, in EO2U, Atlus finally changed the buff system to massively nerf party attack up + enemy defense down buff/debuff stacking. The gist of the nerf is that buffs and debuffs that give the same effect become less effective if there are already effects of the same type in play. As an example, let's assume that the following actions are taken during a battle against one enemy: 1) A Troubadour casts Warrior Song (ATK Up) on the party. 2) A Sovereign casts Attack Order (ATK Up) on the front row. 3) A Hexer casts Frailty Curse (DEF Down) on the enemy. 4) A Dark Hunter casts Snake Eyes (DEF Down) on the enemy. Now, let's assume someone in the front row attacks the enemy. This is how effective each modifier becomes, if we assume they are all level 10: Warrior Song: 100% effect (outgoing damage from player character increased by 30%) Attack Order: 60% effect (outgoing damage from player character increased by 18%) Frailty Curse: 20% effect (incoming damage to enemy increased by 6%) Snake Eyes: 0% effect The end result is that all those modifiers only increase damage from that party member to the enemy by 62%, instead of the 119% it would've been in previous games. To put it another way, two modifiers (Attack Order and Frailty Curse in that scenario) have less total effect than just one. Now, what if someone in the back row were to attack? They don't have Attack Order, so the effect would become this (assuming Snake Eyes only does its normal amplification, and not the bonus): Warrior Song: 100% effect (outgoing damage from player character increased by 30%) Frailty Curse: 60% effect (incoming damage to enemy increased by 18%) Snake Eyes: 20% effect (incoming damage to enemy increased by 6%) The end result is the same as above, since damage modifiers in EO2U are all pretty standardized--usually a 30% damage boost at level 10 without diminishing returns. I should note that if two modifiers of the same type provide different boosts/reductions, the modifier that would provide the bigger increase/decrease is prioritized for 100% effect (or whatever's the highest possible) over the other. So what's the major takeaway from all of this? Well, two major things:
And, for reference, here's a list of buff/debuff types that the diminishing returns system applies to, and what player skills count as each: Party ATK Up/Enemy DEF Down:
Notes: Even if a modifier only changes one type of damage (physical elemental), it falls under this category. This caveat applies to Medical Rod, Compression, Vital Shut, and Mind Shut. The Troubadour's Fire, Ice, and Volt Preludes do NOT fall under this category, even though they do buff all outgoing damage from the buff owner! As such, for example, a level 10 Warrior Song (30% increase) and level 10 Ice Prelude (28% increase) buff outgoing damage by 66%. Likewise, the Troubador's Fantasias, which increase the party's resistance to an element and reduce all enemies' resistance to that element, also do not fall under this category. Party DEF Up/Enemy ATK Down:
Notes: The same caveat about physical/elemental only modifiers applies here. Party Evasion Up/Enemy Accuracy Down:
Party Hit Rate Up/Enemy Evasion Down:
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Dec 26, 2015 02:20
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Buffs are multiplicative, not additive in the EO series. Three 30% damage buffs would actually increase damage by 119%. With diminishing returns, that becomes a 62% damage boost. Warrior Song and Ice Prelude would be a 66% damage increase. Incidentally, it doesn't matter what order you cast the buffs in. The game checks for the strongest buff, and then for the 2nd strongest buff before applying diminishing returns.
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Dec 26, 2015 04:15
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Dr. Fetus posted:Buffs are multiplicative, not additive in the EO series. Three 30% damage buffs would actually increase damage by 119%. With diminishing returns, that becomes a 62% damage boost. Warrior Song and Ice Prelude would be a 66% damage increase. Huh, coulda swore it was order. Does the order matter if the buffs are all of equal power, though?
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Dec 26, 2015 04:24
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Ragnar Homsar posted:Huh, coulda swore it was order. Does the order matter if the buffs are all of equal power, though? Nope. I think the game checks and applies diminishing returns accordingly at the moment you attack or get attacked. At least that's what I've seen from testing things out. So order doesn't matter, the buff power does.
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Dec 26, 2015 04:30
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