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HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

twistedmentat posted:

From what I heard I just missed Zachary Quinto being a good villain.

Season one is worth watching. The rest is not worth it even slightly.

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Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty
Meh, season two is so so, but you can definitely see a clear decline as it goes, and the writers just kinda stop caring. The story loses itself more and more as it goes. Season three is hot garbage though.

SatansOnion
Dec 12, 2011

Heroes, from what I recall of it, started by bringing some of the worst storytelling tropes from comic books to serial television, but managed to tell some interesting stories in spite of that. Past the first season, though, the bullshit multiplies while the stories/characters worth paying attention to either get ignored or get insultingly ridiculous. (This went double for woman characters. God, those were embarrassing to watch.)

...which leads me to wonder why NBC bothered to revive it. Does that count as dumb marketing? It ended dumb, but they're still trying to market it, last I heard :v:

Karma Monkey
Sep 6, 2005

I MAKE BAD POSTING DECISIONS

princecoo posted:

After hearing my co-workers rave about the show Arrow, I finally, in a fit of boredom, decided to give it a go on Netflix. And it's actually pretty good, I'm enjoying it.

For those of you unfamiliar, it's a tv show about the Green Arrow, a DC comics character. He's a rich young playboy who gets shipwrecked on an island for 5 years, comes back with a notebook full of names of people who are bad, and goes around cleaning up the city with his new badass skills he aquired while on the island. There is also some family stuff thrown in, dealing with his uber-rich family and their problems, and his ex-girlfriend and stuff. All in all, it's not bad.

But what I don't understand is why all the ads I've seen for it on network television make out like the show is 95% rich white people problems: the serial instead of being what is essentially a knockoff Batman (with a family).


You weren't kidding. Thanks for mentioning this show. Never knew it existed and since your mention, I binge watched season 1. It's a hilarious mix of shooting arrows at bad guys until they admit their crimes and #FirstWorldProblems and #RichWhiteKids. So far my favorite subplot is the rich hero's rich friend being cut off from his trust fund and asking his rich hero friend for a job. Also, patiently waiting for someone to snap and say "OMG WE KNOW!!! YOU TOLD US ALREADY LIKE A BILLION TIMES!!!" after he drops into a conversation for the millionth time that he was stranded alone on an island for 5 years. Really silly show, but I can't stop watching it.

twistedmentat posted:

From what I heard I just missed Zachary Quinto being a good villain.

He was a skin-crawlingly creepy as gently caress villain on American Horror Story: Asylum.

Super Waffle
Sep 25, 2007

I'm a hermaphrodite and my parents (40K nerds) named me Slaanesh, THANKS MOM
Heroes was a sad victim of the Writer's Strike, it was doing pretty good up til then. Many a fine show were laid low before their time ( Pushing Daisies :smith:)

princecoo
Sep 3, 2009

Karma Monkey posted:

You weren't kidding. Thanks for mentioning this show. Never knew it existed and since your mention, I binge watched season 1. It's a hilarious mix of shooting arrows at bad guys until they admit their crimes and #FirstWorldProblems and #RichWhiteKids. So far my favorite subplot is the rich hero's rich friend being cut off from his trust fund and asking his rich hero friend for a job. Also, patiently waiting for someone to snap and say "OMG WE KNOW!!! YOU TOLD US ALREADY LIKE A BILLION TIMES!!!" after he drops into a conversation for the millionth time that he was stranded alone on an island for 5 years. Really silly show, but I can't stop watching it.


Yeah, but they keep forgetting, it seems. Especially his idiot sister.

The action parts are pretty good, the drama parts are just bad because not many people can relate to scratching a Maserati or wanting to change from being the kind of person who rents a football stadium to play strip-football with supermodels into a regular person with a steady girlfriend.

I mean, I personally totally get why you'd want to play strip-football with odels, I do it every weekend, but I don't get why anybody would want to change that. It's great.

I haven't finished the first season yet, but I'm super keen to learn more about the island, and watch more of the list get crossed off. I don't give a poo poo about his dipshit rich family who can't seem to understand that being shipwrecked and tortured for 5 years is going to maybe make a person a little different when they get back. I don't think anyone who gets excited to watch a superhero show is in it to see stupenously wealthy people bitch about how they didn't get the convertable they wanted for their birthday, or wax poetic about how they've missed their son for so long and everything changed. Advertise the poo poo we actually want to see, not the boring filler if you want to get people to sit down and watch your show.

Don't advertise your kick-em-up superhero show as if it's The Bold and the Beautiful.

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Thinky Whale
Aug 2, 2012

All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it; all that cracks the sinews and cakes the brain; all the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Fry.
My favorite Heroes writers strike casualty was the girlfriend they ditched in an alternate future and forgot about.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Remember when Hiro went to Japan and it was boring as gently caress?

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty
Remember how every time we saw even like two years into the future, Hiro and Peter would be these super rear end-kicking powerhouses, and then we'd go back to the present and they'd go back to being idiots who would stare slack jawed for whole minutes at the slightest bit of exposition told to them?

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


All I know about Heroes is that it was a mean-spirited show where the writers fell in love with the serial killer who extracts people's brains, to the point where he keeps coming back from the dead and even turns good for a while. Anyone female or non-white where pretty much hosed.

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.
One aspect to Quinto's character that I kinda liked in Heroes is how his power worked - everyone thought that he ate peoples brains to steal their powers but when the immortal cheerleader calls him out on that, his response is: "Eat your brain? Claire that's disgusting". He actually is a super-engineer/ex-clockmaker - he looks at something and knows exactly how it works. He looks at the brains of the powered people to see where the imperfection that triggered the power lies then applies it (somehow, it's weird) to himself. It didn't make much sense but it was an interesting idea.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Karma Monkey posted:

He was a skin-crawlingly creepy as gently caress villain on American Horror Story: Asylum.

Yep, even if Bloody Face was the dumbest serial killer name ever.

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!


Sounds more like English Horror Story. :rimshot:

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

SatansOnion posted:

Heroes, from what I recall of it, started by bringing some of the worst storytelling tropes from comic books to serial television, but managed to tell some interesting stories in spite of that.

I remember Tim Kring bragging that he never read a comic book before. I think he was trying to say it like he'd be a fresh take on comic book style superheroes but the reality is he kept treading the same ground because he didn't realize what was already overdone.

Redrum and Coke
Feb 25, 2006

wAstIng 10 bUcks ON an aVaTar iS StUpid
I saw Star Wars today and, Jesus Christ, 30 loving minutes of commercials before the film. I don't know if this is because the film can't have product placement, and so they advertise all the lovely licensed products but, gently caress, it made wanna leave. I paid the loving ticket, for that many commercials I might ad well watch TV.

flavor.flv
Apr 18, 2008

I got a letter from the government the other day
opened it, read it
it said they was bitches




So you're saying you got there half an hour early.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Non Serviam posted:

I saw Star Wars today and, Jesus Christ, 30 loving minutes of commercials before the film. I don't know if this is because the film can't have product placement, and so they advertise all the lovely licensed products but, gently caress, it made wanna leave. I paid the loving ticket, for that many commercials I might ad well watch TV.

So many loving car ads where I went.

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!
Not really dumb, I'd say the adult nostalgia demo is nearly as large as the kids demo, and even if it's kid-heavy, those kids are going to be dragging along plenty of parents.

Protip for avoiding movie ads: call the theater and ask what time a particular showing gets out - just subtract the running time from that, and get there about 5 minutes before that point; maybe 10-15 mins if you want to see the actual trailers instead of random product commercials

vvv:
I don't need to spend money going to the movies to mock my friends

Sentient Data has a new favorite as of 04:31 on Dec 28, 2015

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Or.go with friends and.mock them.

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

bunnyofdoom posted:

Or.go with friends and.mock them.

And turn the whole thing into an MST-style riff-fest? :v:

Redrum and Coke
Feb 25, 2006

wAstIng 10 bUcks ON an aVaTar iS StUpid

RandomFerret posted:

So you're saying you got there half an hour early.

I wish it was that. Showing was at 9.30, we got there then.

Ignimbrite
Jan 5, 2010

BALLS BALLS BALLS
Dinosaur Gum
Yeah, Ads start showing at the specified time. Movie starts after the ads are finished showing :hurr:

Takoluka
Jun 26, 2009

Don't look at me!



So would it be dumb marketing for a cell company to use the tag "Life begins at reception"?

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Choco1980 posted:

Remember how every time we saw even like two years into the future, Hiro and Peter would be these super rear end-kicking powerhouses, and then we'd go back to the present and they'd go back to being idiots who would stare slack jawed for whole minutes at the slightest bit of exposition told to them?

Yeah this was easily my biggest problem with the show. Every few episodes they'd tease that they could be doing a much cooler show but would rather not because reasons.

Like future Hiro would show up and teleport all over the place and look like a loving badass and say some killer one liner while looking cool as gently caress, and then he'd have to leave because reasons and then we'd be stuck with present Hiro being all Otakon and basically pissing himself at the slightest threat.

And Peter pretty much became Goku in the future, but again would just piss himself in the present. The first time they showed future Peter's abilities I was like

"oh poo poo, now this show is finally going to----er, nope, so much for that."

SatansOnion posted:

(This went double for woman characters. God, those were embarrassing to watch.)

Yeah this was also a huuuuuge issue.

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty
Remember when they were going to explore why there were multiple characters played by Ali Larter with different powers, and why they had birthmarks that looked like that half dna strand they were going to explain and was apparently involved with the group half made of peoples' parents? And then remember how the writers strike happened and they just kinda forgot about that? Good times.

SatansOnion
Dec 12, 2011

Zaphod42 posted:

...
Yeah this was also a huuuuuge issue.

The lady characters on Heroes, without any exceptions I can recall, fell into one of four categories: completely passive powers (cheerleader, w/e some of Ali Larter's characters were up to); hysterical powers (tar-tears girl); controlled powers with a side of EVIL (electric lady, chameleon lady); and dead as soon as they're introduced (mimic girl, cheerleader's pyro-mom). Once I saw the pattern, I lost most of my interest in the show :(

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.
🐓🐓🐓✊🪧

I just remember the cheerleader being blatantly suicidal with some of the stuff she did. Like one time she stuck her hand in a garbage disposal because ?

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

bobjr posted:

I just remember the cheerleader being blatantly suicidal with some of the stuff she did. Like one time she stuck her hand in a garbage disposal because ?

She was having this weird existential crisis about the fact that she couldn't die and her very first appearance was, iirc, getting hit by a train and having her friend film it to document it since then they couldn't explain it.

Basically, it's a really stupidly common comic book trope where characters are given "depth" by having them whine that their totally bad rear end power is a curse. I feel like the only time that ever worked was Rogue since her power had legitimate downsides.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

RagnarokAngel posted:

She was having this weird existential crisis about the fact that she couldn't die and her very first appearance was, iirc, getting hit by a train and having her friend film it to document it since then they couldn't explain it.

Basically, it's a really stupidly common comic book trope where characters are given "depth" by having them whine that their totally bad rear end power is a curse. I feel like the only time that ever worked was Rogue since her power had legitimate downsides.

She jumped off a derelict silo.

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)
Over and over again.

Canemacar
Mar 8, 2008

Tasteful Dickpic posted:

Over and over again.

bunnyofdoom posted:

She jumped off a derelict silo.

To be fair, I'd do the same thing.

How awesome would it be to nosedive off the Empire State building and then get up to go again?

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Canemacar posted:

How awesome would it be to nosedive off the Empire State building and then get up to go again?

Yeah but how reckless would you have to be to find out that you can't bruise and then decide to stick your hand in the garbage disposal or jump off a building?

Like I get that you want to test your powers, but baby steps. Be careful. What if it ends up your powers are enough to protect you from getting hit really hard but aren't enough to protect you from falling off a loving building? Be scientific about this poo poo. Er on the side of caution.

Whoops :rip:

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Zaphod42 posted:

Yeah but how reckless would you have to be to find out that you can't bruise and then decide to stick your hand in the garbage disposal or jump off a building?

Like I get that you want to test your powers, but baby steps. Be careful. What if it ends up your powers are enough to protect you from getting hit really hard but aren't enough to protect you from falling off a loving building? Be scientific about this poo poo. Er on the side of caution.

Whoops :rip:

Teenagers are well known for their excellent decision making skills.

Zamboni Rodeo
Jul 19, 2007

NEVER play "Lady of Spain" AGAIN!




Canemacar posted:

To be fair, I'd do the same thing.

How awesome would it be to nosedive off the Empire State building and then get up to go again?

Yup, Superman's an rear end in a top hat when he's drunk.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
Is the wikipedia pledge drive considered Marketing? It's so invasive I will never, ever donate to them, not that I was going to before.

That reminds me of sites that go "You have an add blocker on, but we need ads to live so please disable them". You know people use adblockers becuase ads tend to have lots of adware in them, among other annoying factors, like autoplay music and video, garish colours and other things that annoy the poo poo out of everyone.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

twistedmentat posted:

Is the wikipedia pledge drive considered Marketing? It's so invasive I will never, ever donate to them, not that I was going to before.

What's worse is when you do donate you still get ads.

walrusman
Aug 4, 2006

I was in a generous mood a couple weeks ago and I figured hey, I can spare $20 as payment for all I've gained from Wikipedia over the years. Why not?

I tried twice on two different computers and the loving donation link wouldn't work. Goodbye, generous mood.

sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)

walrusman posted:

I was in a generous mood a couple weeks ago and I figured hey, I can spare $20 as payment for all I've gained from Wikipedia over the years. Why not?

I tried twice on two different computers and the loving donation link wouldn't work. Goodbye, generous mood.

Lmao. This kind of reminds me of the one time I donated to Planned Parenthood, it was like $20 or something in like 2010. I still get calls from them now asking me to donate again, despite asking to be taken off the list, etc. I get *how* harassing people for repeat donations functions (because some people will be too gosh golly polite on the phone and will sign up despite really not wanting to) but god drat did it ever make me regret helping some hypothetical woman pay for a pap smear or whatever.

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

E: gently caress, wrong thread. Thought I was in Man Killed to Death. :saddowns:

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bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

AlphaKretin posted:

Belgian soldiers and police 'held orgy' during Brussels lockdown

Thanks to Krispy Kareem in the obsolete technology thread of all places.

Not sure what marketing is this. Unless it's for a Belgian pornhub?

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