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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:It runs a lot deeper than just the fact their old ECA/contract was meant to have expired (following the Fair Work hearing we are now on the Industry Award), even the contract they were running wasn't being fulfilled to a tee. It actually had a provision for penalty rates on weekends, with the caveat being that it was only paid when the staff member didn't "request" a weekend shift. Except, upon being hired we were given a sheet which we were told to sign under the heading "Roster Requests" that they could use as evidence that we "requested" the shift. So, they could point to their contract and say they paid penalty rates while having a loophole to never in fact need to do so. Now you just need to keep an eye out for crazy cult people stalking you.
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That's some bullshit. Great work and keep on fighting the good fight, you have my support you amazing boat.
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Birdstrike posted:expected friendlyjordies tbh friendlyjordies has gone full labor shill now, even defending asylum seeker policies and turn backs 
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friendlyjordies is annoying as gently caress and the voices he puts on are poo poo
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Dec 28, 2015 09:11
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Excellent. Good job. On the downside I guess Pancake Parlor is off the menu. 
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It should never have been on the menu.
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SynthOrange posted:Excellent. Good job. The cheapest thing on the menu is like 15 bucks you bourgeois pig. Who is even eating there in the first place? Other than people who can afford to be scientologists. Why are requested and unrequested shifts even governed differently? Its the most weasel-y bullshit, but its basically what Workchoices was made for. Why the gently caress isn't Workchoices the grim spectre hovering over Australian life the way 'carbon tax' was?
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If you go to the pancake manor in Brisbane you through a time vortex to 1983 e: Brisbane was poo poo in 1983
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Frogfingers posted:The cheapest thing on the menu is like 15 bucks you bourgeois pig. Who is even eating there in the first place? pancakes
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If the foodchat doesn't shift to byob I'm going to find a Piers Akerman article and post it. AND a Miranda Devine.
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Hey why is it that so many workplaces can get away with poo poo like this? I work for a travel agency chain and don't get paid extra for Saturday's, Sunday's, or public holidays (just get a day in lieu) and it's always annoyed me but I don't even know if there is a union that covers sales people? I get that we work on commission so it's a bit different but surely since staffing a shop is something they need us to do it should be covered? Or is it just too bad?
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Frogfingers posted:Why the gently caress isn't Workchoices the grim spectre hovering over Australian life the way 'carbon tax' was? It's harder to find rhymes for "Workchoices"
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Dec 28, 2015 11:09
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Frogfingers posted:Why the gently caress isn't Workchoices the grim spectre hovering over Australian life the way 'carbon tax' was? Well, the obvious reason is that the people demonising the carbon tax actually think Workchoices was a pretty good idea. Personally, I'd also believe that part of it comes through the names. 'Carbon tax' is a really easy thing to aim at, because just from the name it's clear what it is, and from there you can plan your attack. 'Workchoices' is one of those skeevy, empty names that sounds like it means something vaguely positive but doesn't actually give you any idea what it refers to or does.
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teacup posted:Hey why is it that so many workplaces can get away with poo poo like this? I work for a travel agency chain and don't get paid extra for Saturday's, Sunday's, or public holidays (just get a day in lieu) and it's always annoyed me but I don't even know if there is a union that covers sales people? I get that we work on commission so it's a bit different but surely since staffing a shop is something they need us to do it should be covered? Or is it just too bad? You might be on salary which would explain the day in lieu. The shoppies would normally be your union if you are in sales but they (and the police union) are the worst. If you are lucky United Voice might be able to represent you. They've represented me a couple of times and I got positive outcomes.
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Man standing up against junk science says...quote:Tony Abbott’s former business advisory council chairman, Maurice Newman, has criticised Malcolm Turnbull and Barack Obama for prioritising “collectivist visions” over “private choice” in relation to climate change.
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So what's the rationale behind trying to strip the working poor of their penalty hours, but pretending that emergency services and the like will be untouched?
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Gorilla Salad posted:So what's the rationale behind trying to strip the working poor of their penalty hours, but pretending that emergency services and the like will be untouched? Emergency workers are more sympathetic than that fuckin uni student at the bottleo who didn't agree with you that everything's gone to poo poo since the Asians took over. Then once you've gotten rid of casual workers penalty rates it's much easier later on to roll that out uniformly.
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Gorilla Salad posted:So what's the rationale behind trying to strip the working poor of their penalty hours, but pretending that emergency services and the like will be untouched? https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...iw=1440&bih=771 Paramedics are loving militant man
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Also the 'reasoning' behind abolishing penalty rates is always that they are destroying hard working mum & dad run businesses (or at least that's how the BCA sell it). Emergency services are paid by taxpayers and aren't subject to a profit model, so I reckon they'll argue that it's a different ballgame (at least until there is a further BUDGET EMERGENCY).
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WorkChoices is dead, buried and cremated. Now, lets talk about penalty rates. quote:Mr Turnbull has drawn attention over comments last year about the impact of penalty rates: "You see businesses, particularly hospitality businesses like cafes and restaurants and so forth, closed on weekends ... because the penalty rates are so high," he said. "Now that's nuts. I have never come across a hospitality business that isn't open on a Sunday Mr Turnbull.
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Nibbles! posted:WorkChoices is dead, buried and cremated. Now, lets talk about penalty rates. I have but I live in Perth, and im pretty sure its not because of wages.
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Pred1ct posted:Also the 'reasoning' behind abolishing penalty rates is always that they are destroying hard working mum & dad run businesses (or at least that's how the BCA sell it). Ahh, that's what I was looking for. My sister is an EMT, so I'm very interested in her getting to keep the extra money she earns - and she sure as hell does earn it. For all the ways the government screws them over, penalty rates may just be the one fight they don't have to have. But, I also vividly remember reading the threads here during the Wisconsin teacher's strife where the Republican governor literally stated that because teachers were so essential and dedicated it was okay to cut their pay and conditions because they'd do the job anyway. And the LNP does love to be ten years behind the US in all the horrible things they do. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Dec 28, 2015 |
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The small business line is just so obviously bullshit I can't believe they get away with it.Gorilla Salad posted:And the LNP does love to be ten years behind the US in all the horrible things they do. open24hours fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Dec 28, 2015 |
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open24hours posted:The small business line is just so obviously bullshit I can't believe they get away with it. I can. People have strange attitudes towards businesses and the people that own/run them. Businessmen are seen as the very pinnacle of sensibility and rationality, while businesses are treated as though they have some sort of 'right' to succeed regardless of how poorly thought out the business plan is. Not sure how we've arrived at this point, I guess it is wormed it's way into the collective consciousness over time or something.
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Nibbles! posted:I have never come across a hospitality business that isn't open on a Sunday Mr Turnbull. i agree with him that it's an insane statement which is untrue
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gay picnic defence posted:I can. Businesses have a right to support so they have a viable chance to succeed. Unlike people. (This is because people can be lazy and unproductive while a business is always a shining model of capitalist effort that creates jobs.) By the way, at the same time, let me assert that the Darwinian competition that makes unfit businesses fail is totally the backbone of the free market, which makes it so fair and rational.
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I've seen small broomcloset cafes close on weekends but I doubt it's because of penality rates and more to do with the barista owner wanting a weekend.
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It's not the business line, but the small business line. Who's going to benefit more from cutting penalty rates, some guy running a cafe or Woolworths and Coles?
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Small business is just code for big business. People have more sympathy for the local entrepreneur than for a massive multinational. And rightly so - I know the thread likes to pile on small business owners for being self-entitled or whatever, but in general, I'm more in favour of a small local business operating on my street than a gigantic multinational. Also lol remember when Tony told a radio show that the restaurant in the hotel he was staying in had to close on Sundays because of penalty rates and then later the hotel owner rang in to say that it was in fact open on Sundays?
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Anidav posted:Lmao at them threatening with "no more free staff lunch" Qu'ils mangent de la crêpes.
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Of course it is, which is the point. They talk about cafes and whathaveyou who might save a few thousand bucks a year on penalty rates when it's clearly being done on behalf of massive companies who stand to save millions upon millions if this goes through and are already highly profitable.
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Someone should just tell them to stay shut if they can't run profitably, or to add a surcharge for weekends so they are profitable.
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:http://m.smh.com.au/national/pancake-parlour-employees-win-penalty-rates-for-late-nights-weekends-20150921-gjrwmn.html Well done. Pancake Parlour is poo poo because of the jacked up prices. Knowing they were screwing staff has doubled my incentive not to go there. I'm hoping my personal stand doesn't impact the number of employees though. Aren't there supposed to be rallies protesting against threats to penalty rates some time soon? gently caress people wanting to abolish penalty rates. Yeah, wage costs are higher at times but every employer is in the same boat. Put in place a modest surcharge or something.
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Having witnessed Indooroopilly shops on Boxing Day any business who wasn't open and paying their staff in huge sacks of gold was missing out on mad profits. How hosed are we? http://www.roymorgan.com/morganpoll   t
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Recoome posted:If you go to the pancake manor in Brisbane you through a time vortex to 1983 You having a cheeky nandos m8?
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Cartoon posted:Having witnessed Indooroopilly shops on Boxing Day any business who wasn't open and paying their staff in huge sacks of gold was missing out on mad profits. Agree. Reality though is that it's not sacks of gold and a fair number of them would probably rather be at home. e: re-read this and it's not clear. I was referring to people who work on Boxing Day. Graic Gabtar fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Dec 29, 2015 |
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