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Mike the TV posted:Bernie surprised everyone by speaking at Liberty University. It ended up working out in his favor. Uh, I doubt it did it anything to be frank.
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Dec 28, 2015 17:42
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:[e]: I'm reminded of something, though... Why on earth is Bernie Sanders trying to triangulate towards getting Trump supporters on board? Wouldn't support of the very epitome of American Capitalism be the last people you want to move to your hyper-anti-Wall Street campaign? I am against Triangularization of any kind, this is just bad, bad, bad. What's mostly powering Trump is a general dissatisfaction (largely) among White Christian Men with the way the world is going right now. They're looking for someone to blame and can probably be re-directed from "blame Ahmed and Juan" to "blame some fatcat". Hell, doing this would be a major public service, since it would redirect anger away from the defenseless and towards the wealthy. Also, it's true.
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Dec 28, 2015 17:47
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eviltastic posted:I wasn't paying too much attention to politics around the holidays, so I missed that Robert Costa apparently interviewed Ben Carson without his campaign manager's knowledge. He's got a new article up about it with a bunch of excerpts here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...1a4d_story.html Is it just my bad memory or is the first reaction to a GOP campaign finding it s bleeding money is to blame the lower staff? Maybe Romney was right to dump those staffers with the hotel bill.
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Dec 28, 2015 17:48
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Jackson Taus posted:What's mostly powering Trump is a general dissatisfaction (largely) among White Christian Men with the way the world is going right now. They're looking for someone to blame and can probably be re-directed from "blame Ahmed and Juan" to "blame some fatcat". Hell, doing this would be a major public service, since it would redirect anger away from the defenseless and towards the wealthy. Also, it's true. Trump supporters didn't just start hating the Muslims and Mexicans when Trump showed up. You're being naive as gently caress.
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Dec 28, 2015 17:50
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fishmech posted:Trump supporters didn't just start hating the Muslims and Mexicans when Trump showed up. You're being naive as gently caress. My parents used to be strong Trump supporters. Now they're strong Bernie supporters. It can happen.
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Dec 28, 2015 18:04
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DaveWoo posted:My parents used to be strong Trump supporters. Now they're strong Bernie supporters. Did they actually change their opinions on Muslims though?
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Dec 28, 2015 18:06
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Jackson Taus posted:What's mostly powering Trump is a general dissatisfaction (largely) among White Christian Men with the way the world is going right now. They're looking for someone to blame and can probably be re-directed from "blame Ahmed and Juan" to "blame some fatcat". Hell, doing this would be a major public service, since it would redirect anger away from the defenseless and towards the wealthy. Also, it's true. But Trump is one of those fatcats. That's what doesn't make sense. 
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Dec 28, 2015 18:07
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DaveWoo posted:My parents used to be strong Trump supporters. Now they're strong Bernie supporters. Hmm, 2 down, approximately 15 million to go. Good luck with that (and it wouldn't even be enough to get Sanders the nomination, is the funniest part)
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Dec 28, 2015 18:13
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computer parts posted:Did they actually change their opinions on Muslims though? Probably not. The best you can hope to do is channel that rage into another other. Hopefully with the rage gone, they are merely suspicious instead of genocidal.
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Dec 28, 2015 18:19
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:But Trump is one of those fatcats. That's what doesn't make sense. Yeah, but at least on economic matters, he's telling them exactly what they want to hear: that they can make it, that he got where he did through hard work, that someone else is to blame for whatever they might be afraid of. People might be willing to get angry at some shadowy, nebulous 1%, but the American Dream isn't going to vanish overnight, no matter how anachronistic it is at this point.
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Dec 28, 2015 18:28
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Paradoxish posted:Yeah, but at least on economic matters, he's telling them exactly what they want to hear: that they can make it, that he got where he did through hard work, that someone else is to blame for whatever they might be afraid of. People might be willing to get angry at some shadowy, nebulous 1%, but the American Dream isn't going to vanish overnight, no matter how anachronistic it is at this point. But the comparison between Trump and Sanders still doesn't make sense even then. Whereas Trump is arguing that you can still make it through American Willpower we just need to make Whether the economic 'ladder' still exists or not is still a major point of difference in the rhetoric between Sanders and Trump. Trump being the picture of economic populism is almost as ridiculous a notion as it was for Romney in 2012.
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Dec 28, 2015 18:53
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Good news! If you're registered to vote, your personal information including name, address, party affiliation, and more (but not SSN or DL number) is all online thanks to a misconfigured database of 191 million voter registrations and nobody knows who owns it!
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Dec 28, 2015 18:55
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:But the comparison between Trump and Sanders still doesn't make sense even then. Whereas Trump is arguing that you can still make it through American Willpower we just need to make You're looking at the two candidates in a far more critical way then the vast majority of voters though.
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Dec 28, 2015 18:56
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Paradoxish posted:Yeah, but at least on economic matters, he's telling them exactly what they want to hear: that they can make it, that he got where he did through hard work, that someone else is to blame for whatever they might be afraid of. People might be willing to get angry at some shadowy, nebulous 1%, but the American Dream isn't going to vanish overnight, no matter how anachronistic it is at this point. This is especially hilarious when you consider that Trump didn't even make that money via the American Dream, but via inheritance.
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Dec 28, 2015 18:56
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so when people switch from Trump to Bernie, and then neither wins the nomination, which party do they end up voting for in November?
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Dec 28, 2015 18:57
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hangedman1984 posted:You're looking at the two candidates in a far more critical way then the vast majority of voters though. Whoops, silly me.  I'm still reeling from how the GOP thought that the best way to reach voters still in shock from the Great Recession of 2008 was to put up Captain Capitalism and his sidekick the Wonk Wonder on top of the ticket. ...And that it still worked for 47% of the voters.
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Dec 28, 2015 18:57
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baw posted:so when people switch from Trump to Bernie, and then neither wins the nomination, which party do they end up voting for in November?
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Dec 28, 2015 19:00
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Raerlynn posted:This is especially hilarious when you consider that Trump didn't even make that money via the American Dream, but via inheritance. That is the Republican version of the dream though, hence the never-ending focus on eliminating the estate tax and the capital gains tax. The idea that one day you'll strike it rich through hard work, and you can pass on that wealth (and all the wealth that it generates, too) to your descendants and the government won't take any (somehow, the strong military will fund itself).
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Dec 28, 2015 19:06
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:But the comparison between Trump and Sanders still doesn't make sense even then. Whereas Trump is arguing that you can still make it through American Willpower we just need to make You're overthinking things. As others have mentioned, it's about a basic gut-level feeling of anger and anxiety - the feeling that ordinary Americans are being screwed. Trump tells these people they're being screwed because of foreigners; Bernie says that they're being screwed because of the greed of the ultra-wealthy. baw posted:so when people switch from Trump to Bernie, and then neither wins the nomination, which party do they end up voting for in November? My parents say they'll just stay home unless either of the above two runs third-party.
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Dec 28, 2015 19:07
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Luigi Thirty posted:Good news! If you're registered to vote, your personal information including name, address, party affiliation, and more (but not SSN or DL number) is all online thanks to a misconfigured database of 191 million voter registrations and nobody knows who owns it! Voter registration info is public record anyways so...
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Dec 28, 2015 19:07
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Voter registration info is public record anyways so... Many states have restrictions on the use of voter data, with South Dakota actually banning putting their voter data online altogether. Plenty more have zero restrictions on voter registration info, of course, so I would argue this is really a policy problem more than a CYBERSECURITY/PRIVACY PANIC problem.
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Dec 28, 2015 19:14
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Pervis posted:That is the Republican version of the dream though, hence the never-ending focus on eliminating the estate tax and the capital gains tax. The idea that one day you'll strike it rich through hard work, and you can pass on that wealth (and all the wealth that it generates, too) to your descendants and the government won't take any (somehow, the strong military will fund itself). That's basically resurrecting Literally Feudalism and Literal Aristocracy with the serial numbers filed off, though, correct? Then again, Libertarians et al have no moral objections to (wage) slavery as long as they are the (eventual!) slaveholders. The American belief in Predestination in regards to wealth is terrible and should be dismantled. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Dec 28, 2015 |
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Dec 28, 2015 19:25
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Guess who just tied Pope Francis for second most admired man in America.
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E: ^^^ Don't forget the best part: Another 2016 presidential candidate — Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, a former first lady and secretary of State — topped the list of most admired women for the 14th straight year and 20th time overall. Now let me tell you how unelectable Hilary Clinton is... Luigi Thirty posted:Good news! If you're registered to vote, your personal information including name, address, party affiliation, and more (but not SSN or DL number) is all online thanks to a misconfigured database of 191 million voter registrations and nobody knows who owns it! Georgia voters already have their info in the public domain because the state is run by mentally damaged people and literal criminals.
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Dec 28, 2015 19:32
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Given margin of error is 4%, getting 5% in a poll (which ties you for second place) isn't really that conclusive.
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Dec 28, 2015 19:33
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Evil Fluffy posted:Georgia voters already have their info in the public domain because the state is run by mentally damaged people and literal criminals. Even better, Nathan Deal has flat out REFUSED to investigate it, nor hold him accountable for the leak.
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Dec 28, 2015 19:35
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CommieGIR posted:Even better, Nathan Deal has flat out REFUSED to investigate it, nor hold him accountable for the leak. Sounds like Georgia bargained themselves into a raw Deal. https://youtu.be/mR3jnW2kcUs
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Dec 28, 2015 19:40
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Luigi Thirty posted:Good news! If you're registered to vote, your personal information including name, address, party affiliation, and more (but not SSN or DL number) is all online thanks to a misconfigured database of 191 million voter registrations and nobody knows who owns it! A pity Bernie didn't just wait two weeks then.
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Dec 28, 2015 19:40
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Raskolnikov38 posted:A pity Bernie didn't just wait two weeks then. This is obviously what Bernie took from Hillary 
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Dec 28, 2015 19:44
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Voter registration info is public record anyways so... Gender, address and birth date are sufficient to deidentify 87% of Americans. So together with this breach you can probably put a name and address to 60% of your "de-identified" data sets out there. Oh, and that's before we start talking about how millennials in these records can have their SSNs predicted from their place of birth and date of birth. Given that 40% of Americans have never moved from home, knowing place of residence instead basically opens 40% of millennial voters up to identity theft (if not more, since they've had less time to move).
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Dec 28, 2015 19:44
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Gender, address and birth date are sufficient to deidentify 87% of Americans. So together with this breach you can probably put a name and address to 60% of your "de-identified" data sets out there. Ok? But that has nothing to do with my post. Most of this info is public record anyways. DIdn't realize some states had it privatized, but I don't see this breach as being that big of a breach since it is mostly public info anyways. Guess it makes it easier to have it in one big searchable database, but that also already exists in many places.
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Dec 28, 2015 19:49
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Dec 28, 2015 19:51
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Is everyone prepared for a glorious post-Christmas miracle???? jeb. is challenging Trump to a one on one debate. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/264328-bush-challenges-trump-to-one-on-one-debate
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Dec 28, 2015 19:52
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Ok? But that has nothing to do with my post. Most of this info is public record anyways. DIdn't realize some states had it privatized, but I don't see this breach as being that big of a breach since it is mostly public info anyways. Guess it makes it easier to have it in one big searchable database, but that also already exists in many places. Usually you don't have access to all of this at once because those databases have limited APIs. But a full database lets you join it to your data in ways you can't do if those databases only let you search for voters by address.
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Dec 28, 2015 19:52
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Dec 28, 2015 19:53
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Aerox posted:Is everyone prepared for a glorious post-Christmas miracle???? God, if you can just us all one favor...
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Dec 28, 2015 19:53
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Trump please accept the challenge.
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Dec 28, 2015 19:54
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The only downside to that challenge is that doesn't accepting it then block trump from participating in other debates?
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