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Good thing they all signed off on American citizens being spied on so they won't care if their own private correspondences end up in an NSA database And yeah I'd be mad if we DIDN'T have close tabs on Bibi and his cobort
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FAUXTON posted:friendly heads of state. Well, yeah. Bibi was specifically excluded from the list of "friendly people we're going to stop spying on totally for real". The issue is more that the surveillance net was catching members of the legislature and used for intelligence briefs to the rest of the executive branch. Also the oversight was even less than usual; they left the decision of what to include up to the discretion of the NSA itself.
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Tobermory posted:Well, yeah. Bibi was specifically excluded from the list of "friendly people we're going to stop spying on totally for real". The issue is more that the surveillance net was catching members of the legislature and used for intelligence briefs to the rest of the executive branch. Also the oversight was even less than usual; they left the decision of what to include up to the discretion of the NSA itself. Watch it turn out the only legislators it picked up were the usual assholes, discussing ways to derail the talks and planning poo poo like that ridiculous letter about the separation of powers.
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Dec 30, 2015 08:52
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FAUXTON posted:Maybe we'll never know the motives of these quote:Of course they disagree with BLM I'm sure there's plenty of these vandals who are genuinely stormfronters or what-have-youe. Trying to extrapolate that to how most people who haven't seen or lived through endemic lovely situations firsthand with the cops must react "black lives matter" is a vain enterprise. Most of it is really a misunderstanding of what BLM means or incredulity that it can't possibly be that bad, no way, not in America, this is America, land of the free, man. If it was this bad I would've been hearing about it everyday first thing on the news and cops would be condemning the ones who crossed the line, y'know dawg? Your Dunkle Sans posted:Nope. I've been around some, but I haven't been around many because there aren't many as a percentage of the American populace. Literal stormfront and /pol/ aren't the majority of Americans or people who misunderstand BLM.
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It doesn't take a no-poo poo neo-nazi to be a garden-variety racist, hth e: And trying to pigeonhole racism into a neat little hitler-heiling hugo boss uniform is another signature con move of the hate movement. Characterizing racism as only being genuine if you're snapping your heels together and sporting a toothbrush moustache means typical racists can breathe a little easier because they aren't actual racists like those hitlers are and how dare anyone accuse them of being a nazi. FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Dec 30, 2015 |
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DeusExMachinima posted:Literal stormfront and /pol/ aren't the majority of Americans or people who misunderstand BLM. No, they're much worse because there are a lot of them.
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Tobermory posted:In a new WSJ article, the ongoing NSA clusterfuck continues: How dare the NSA spy on foreign nationals, especially if said foreigners are heads of state and have shown a tendency to sabotage American policy.
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Crowsbeak posted:How dare the NSA spy on foreign nationals, especially if said foreigners are heads of state and have shown a tendency to sabotage American policy. yeah for real. I get why people get pissy about the NSA spying on Americans. I disagree, but I get it. but like, it baffles me that people object to us spying on foreign countries and foreign heads of state. that's literally the original purpose of intelligence agencies.
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The Iron Rose posted:yeah for real. It's because they are doing this with a lot of leeway and very little oversight. Usually this kind of thing has not ended well for anyone involved not to mention the targets. Extraordinary rendition and enhanced interrogation techniques are recent and obvious examples of why that is bad.
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The Iron Rose posted:yeah for real. Do you get why the NSA spying on members of Congress is different than the NSA spying on ordinary Americans? Even aside from violating the balance of powers, Congress is (theoretically) in charge of making sure that the NSA doesn't exceed their legal bounds. If the NSA inadvertently spies on members of Congress while spying on foreign heads of state, it's problematic when they keep the information they collected and pass it on to the President. It's particularly problematic when the Congresspersons they're spying on are political opponents of the President and actively working to oppose him. Also in this case, the NSA's usual levels of almost non-existent oversight were actually lowered -- the administration wanted the intel but didn't want to directly give the order to spy on Congress, so they went with the policy of not asking questions and trusting the NSA not to do anything illegal. This policy is dubious at best. I'm personally glad that we're keeping tabs on Bibi. Not only do I not object, I encourage it. I'm less happy about the President surveilling his political opponents and using the collected intelligence to advance his policy goals.
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FAUXTON posted:Watch it turn out the only legislators it picked up were the usual assholes, discussing ways to derail the talks and planning poo poo like that ridiculous letter about the separation of powers. So you're basically taking the Trump supporter position that rights(like the right to privacy) are only for people you like? And the NSA spying on legislators is totally cool with you because they're the (in your opinion) crappy ones? Do you just not care that much about civil liberties and separation of powers or do you just really, really hate Israel?
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The Insect Court posted:So you're basically taking the Trump supporter position that rights(like the right to privacy) are only for people you like? And the NSA spying on legislators is totally cool with you because they're the (in your opinion) crappy ones? Israel doesn't respect the civil rights of its people or its politicians, or of foreign people and politicians. So why should anyone care about Bibi's rights? icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Dec 30, 2015 |
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the_paradigm_shift posted:It's because they are doing this with a lot of leeway and very little oversight. Usually this kind of thing has not ended well for anyone involved not to mention the targets. Extraordinary rendition and enhanced interrogation techniques are recent and obvious examples of why that is bad. You sure that's what's happening here? Can't read past the pay wall but it sounds more like while surveilling they also picked up conversations that the Israel was having with Congress reps just as a matter of course.
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So will the GOP pursue this or will they try to brush it under the rug since it doesn't involve Hillary
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baw posted:So will the GOP pursue this or will they try to brush it under the rug since it doesn't involve Hillary Why not pursue this AND make it a slam on Hillary somehow?
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Bullfrog posted:Where did you find these images? I want to share this with some people. For that post I just did a GIS for unitarian vandalism (which should in theory also catch photos of vandalism by unitarians), but I was aware of them from following the Unitarian Universalist Association and Standing on the Side of Love facebook pages (mostly the latter). I think most of the photos themselves were on local news sites where the vandalism occurred. Vienna Circlejerk fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Dec 30, 2015 |
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Dec 30, 2015 13:52
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AShamefulDisplay posted:I know the thread's moved on but I feel compelled to comment on the fact that when Affluenza Kid's mom whisked him off to Mexico, they ended up in loving Puerto Vallerta, literally a resort town. They were also found because she used her cell phone to order Domino's In Mexico
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Are there any good articles with an overview of affluenza kid and his hosed up family?
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Trent posted:For those correcting or directly responding to BLM with ALM I agree. Like the other poster above, my mother used ALM honestly thinking she was just being even more inclusive and progressive. It was a stupid but honest mistake. In her case, all it took was showing her the all houses matter comic for her to realize that the statement, while actually very positive in a vacuum, is incredibly tone-deaf and racist sounding in the current climate. It is. Last year, I recall seeing a church with both "black lives matter" and "all lives matter" signs up. They contributed to the marches. They were a queer-friendly church and to them, "all lives matter" was up because of the underreported police violence against LGBTQ people. Similarly, we had people show up to protests with "I <3 Ferguson" stuff. They had it as a response to the national media portraying Ferguson as a hell-hole and their meaning for the slogan was that they loved their community and therefore wanted to improve it by fighting injustice in it. They were genuinely surprised that the slogan was being slowly co-opted by people who meant "I <3 White Ferguson" by it. Assuming the worst of people and dismissing them as "the enemy" automatically is not fair or productive.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Assuming the worst of people and dismissing them as "the enemy" automatically is not fair or productive. Especially when the discussion spreads primarily through social networking services that have demographic biases. A lot of people, especially (but not exclusively) older people, just haven't gotten the memo yet when something has acquired an additional meaning that they certainly would not intend.
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ANIME AKBAR posted:Hey is there a twitter channel or facebook page which organizes this stuff? I want to get on board tomorrow but don't feel like wandering around public square like a dumbass, tia I have no clue. I was working downtown last night, that's how I knew what was going on.
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Tobermory posted:Do you get why the NSA spying on members of Congress is different than the NSA spying on ordinary Americans? Even aside from violating the balance of powers, Congress is (theoretically) in charge of making sure that the NSA doesn't exceed their legal bounds. Good thing I wasn't talking about spying on congress then! Because that is super problematic, deliberate or no.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Why not pursue this AND make it a slam on Hillary somehow? might be crazy enough to work
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SLOSifl posted:"All lives matter" is like protesting Breast Cancer Awareness Month with a sign that says "All Cancer Awareness Month". That's actually a valid concern in the cancer world so you might want to pick a different analogy.
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All houses matter is already a perfect analogy, why do we need to make more worse ones.
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I'm sorry, but the kind of person that would vandalize a church over rhetorical confusion is, to me, just as dangerous as someone doing it explicitly for racial spite.
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SLOSifl posted:"All lives matter" is like protesting Breast Cancer Awareness Month with a sign that says "All Cancer Awareness Month". That's not a good analogy with pinkwashing and Susan G. Komen sucking up all your money to line their pockets in the name of breast cancer.
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Maybe if someone put up a sign that said "Colorectal Cancer Kills" after a family member died from Colorectral cancer, and then someone cut out Colorectal. Edit: If we were to travel back in time to when Breast Cancer really did need an awareness campaign, the Breast Cancer analogy would apply.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Assuming the worst of people and dismissing them as "the enemy" automatically is not fair or productive. This, by the way, is why it's so much more satisfying to be conservative than leftist. Conservatives circle the wagons around each other (not their leaders necessarily, see Paul *D* Ryan), leftists form circular firing squads. If I'm a Trump supporter, a Jeb! supporter may roll their eyes but still feel some sort of fellowship with me. If I'm a Hillary supporter, Bernie folks will salt my lawn and spray paint "SHILLARY" on my house and doxx my MLP fanart to my boss. If you are a white leftist you definitely self-hate to some degree.
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Vitamin C matters, therefore no other nutrients are necessary.
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baw posted:Vitamin C matters, therefore no other nutrients are necessary. Please don't detract from the serious Vitamin D deficiency prevalent in a large portion of the US population.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Please don't detract from the serious Vitamin D deficiency prevalent in a large portion of the US population. All vitamins matter. 
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Bill Cosby just got charged with sexual assault in Pennsylvania stemming from a 2004 incident money quote: quote:After the Temple employee, Andrea Constand, accused Cosby of the crime in Montgomery County, a prosecutor decided in 2005 that charges weren't warranted in the case. But that prosecutor lost his reelection bid last month to Kevin Steele, who made pursuing charges against Cosby an issue in his campaign.
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Presidential candidates are fighting to keep the All House.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Thanks, Dr. Kellogg. God damnit I laughed at this way harder than I should have.
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Radbot posted:This, by the way, is why it's so much more satisfying to be conservative than leftist. Conservatives circle the wagons around each other (not their leaders necessarily, see Paul *D* Ryan), leftists form circular firing squads.
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DeusExMachinima posted:I'm sure there's plenty of these vandals who are genuinely stormfronters or what-have-youe. Trying to extrapolate that to how most people who haven't seen or lived through endemic lovely situations firsthand with the cops must react "black lives matter" is a vain enterprise. Most of it is really a misunderstanding of what BLM means or incredulity that it can't possibly be that bad, no way, not in America, this is America, land of the free, man. If it was this bad I would've been hearing about it everyday first thing on the news and cops would be condemning the ones who crossed the line, y'know dawg? I know SOOO many people who this is literally the case. They have bought into the illusion of a just world that they literally can't comprehend that it is not the case for a lot of people. Privilege, its a hell of a drug.
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