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Rinkles posted:How many people are going to miss support only working on other creatures? How many people are going to ask if they can put all the support counters on the same creature?
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BJPaskoff posted:How many people are going to ask if they can put all the support counters on the same creature? That depends how many peopl actually read their cards?
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Dec 30, 2015 18:34
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Is Reflector Mage just the best Man-o-War variant? I think it's likely to be good, Aether Adept is a lot worse and it was marginally playable. The fact that you'll have mana up for when they try to recast the creature seems big. It can't bounce your own dudes, which is sometimes useful (e.g. to get your big dude out from a Tightening Coils or a pacifism type effect), and it does have a much more restrictive casting cost. But assuming you're in a UW deck, it's probably almost always just better than Man-O'-War.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:That depends how many peopl actually read their cards? I find it's easier to misread when you think you already know what something does.
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Rinkles posted:I was specifically referring to the green cards (and not because of the problems with green in BFZ). The other cards' power levels make up for the risk in first picking a gold card, I think. whoops, rereading your post you did say that pretty blatantly, my bad
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Bread Set Jettison posted:That depends how many peopl actually read their cards? So a lot of people will be asking then is what you're saying.
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The color power levels in this set are going to have way more impact on the draft format than the power levels in BFZ. Green could end up highly playable, hell an excellent green common has already been spoiled. If there's a better common fight spell than Unnatural Aggression or whatever it's called, green is no longer grossly underpowered.
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Can't wait to play this game 1 in limited and then have my opponent holding extra cards all game 2 just in case.
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I like "Vile Redeemer" in rally. As far as I can tell you go: - EoT rally, pass turn - Sac all your guys other than Cutthroats with the rally trigger on the stack - Flash in Redeemer with the trigger still on the stack to get a bunch of scions, which you can then sacrifice to do more damage stinkles1112 posted:I wish they would print some playable Eldrazi aggro guys at a CMC of something other than three. Like we've got Herald of Kozilek, Wasteland Strangler, Ruination Guide, Vile Aggregate, Molten Nursery, now this guy, plus I want Kolaghan's Command and Exquisite Firecraft, and I want all of those cards to be in the Ghostfire Blade deck that I just know is gonna be a thing.
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Rinkles posted:The green ones seem fine, but not good enough reasons in and of themselves to move into those colors. Since they're gold, that makes them bad first picks in my mind. Fwiw while I still don't think it's as good as the Man-o-war or the br guy I think the GW dude is going to play better than it looks and the RG dude is fine too.
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Elyv posted:Fwiw while I still don't think it's as good as the Man-o-war or the br guy I think the GW dude is going to play better than it looks and the RG dude is fine too. Agreed. I can't think of any complete stinkers in any of the recent dual colored uncommon cycles.
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Dec 30, 2015 19:01
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jassi007 posted:I don't know about all that, but it has won some modern leagues, going 5-0. It seems legit enough to give it a try at FNM which is what I'm doing. I don't know or expect it to be the next jund or twin, but I want to whip some rear end at FNM. Regardless of competitive viability it is a fun deck to play and some of the finance types are speculating on it breaking out financially Lantern Control style
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Dehtraen posted:Regardless of competitive viability it is a fun deck to play and some of the finance types are speculating on it breaking out financially Lantern Control style I mean wasteland strangler and blight herder are $.50 currently so there's nothing to lose picking those up. Oblivion sower is a good card, standard playable, and is under $5, but seems to be creeping up slightly. They're all from a recent set with expeditions but if you think you'll even try the deck at some point, nows the time to get them. There really isn't a definitive version of the deck yet, so I'm curious to see if any pros do some testing and take the list to a big event. So far there's b/r, b/w, mono black, and I've seen some abzan lists tossed around. I'm going to start testing an abzan list to see if it's worth adding green for ancient stirrings, explore, and sylvan scrying.
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Kalli posted:
Mindmelter: Threat of activation seems more valuable than actually activating it. Your opponent is going to sandbag lands/bad creatures to pitch to Mindmelter, so don't feel like you need to activate early or often. In fact, activating this t4 is probably a bad play. Probably not first-pickable, though. Reflector Mage: Straight up great. I can see this being more powerful in constructed than in limited, but still real good at buying you some tempo. Potential first-pick material. Joraga Auxiliary: a 2/3 for 1WG is a bit underwhelming - you'd expect those stats from a mono-colored common like Valakut Invoker, but should probably get 3/3 for uncommon and gold-colored. 6 mana for two +1/+1 counters is kinda steep too, but I could see it being a real threat at 3GW. A decent card overall, not likely first-pickable unless token/ramp is a real deck. Relentless Hunter: This card feels right. Activating it t4 feels like a hasty 4/4 trample, which is right in GR's ballpark. Good beats, I can see it being a first-pick if the rare is something like a planeswalker tutor. Flayer Drone: Hell yeah, this does everything that BR Devoid aggro wants to do, and looks like it will win a lot of early combat. It still provides a threat if you can't find a way to send it into the red. I dig it.
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Linvala's new card is meh and the art looks like a Molly Hatchet album cover
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Angry Grimace posted:Linvala's new ... art looks like a Molly Hatchet album cover You say that like it is a bad thing.
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Madmarker posted:I am aware crux isn't a punisher, I was just using that as an example of one of the roles this card attempts to fill, that are better filled in constructed by other cards. Ehh, I could almost see a (near) totally creatureless Esper build using it. You'd get white for Silkwrap/Planar outburst/Gideon Blue for Jace/Negate/Dispel/Treasure Cruise Black for Duress/various removal/ObNix/Painful Truths Basically just constantly blow up the board, and anytime they try to get cute and hold back you'd be able to punish them with discard 4 or 10 dmg. Not sure how good it would end up being, but I'd probably try it since I hate creatures.
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Reflector Mage is finding a spot in my Peasant Cube at *checks watch* lightspeed.
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Permotriassic posted:That is some hilariously bad flavortext on the Auxiliary Yeah they need to be ashamed of themselves for that, sheesh.
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I like Flayer Drone with Hangarback Walker and Blight Herder.
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Madmarker posted:You say that like it is a bad thing. They did the patented MTG Cheesecake Angel complete with wonky-as-gently caress proportions to try and fit her in the box. Her legs are like 6 feet long and stuck out as weird as gently caress angles.
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 Mina and Denn, Wildborn 2RG Legendary Creature - Elf Ally You may play an additional land during each of your turns. RG, Return a land you control to its owner's hand: Target creature gains trample until end of turn. (from Mythic Spoiler)
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Angry Grimace posted:They did the patented MTG Cheesecake Angel complete with wonky-as-gently caress proportions to try and fit her in the box. Her legs are like 6 feet long and stuck out as weird as gently caress angles. I thought the same thing at first because it looks like the bit of toga flying off at almost a right angle to her body looks like her other leg but after realizing what her actual legs were it doesn't look so bad
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Dungeon Ecology posted:
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alansmithee posted:Ehh, I could almost see a (near) totally creatureless Esper build using it. that sounds awful, when you want to it to actually win your opponent discards cards and sacs creatures and if you're casting it before you've already basically won the game it does literal nothing since they just take 10 and continue doing whatever they were doing I think that card is unplayable in constructed in all circumstances(feel free to dredge up this post when someone plays it), but if you were going to try to run it the place to do it is in a place where your opponent actually cares about their life total
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stinkles1112 posted:I thought the same thing at first because it looks like the bit of toga flying off at almost a right angle to her body looks like her other leg but after realizing what her actual legs were it doesn't look so bad I have no idea even right now where her right leg is supposed to be.
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Angry Grimace posted:I have no idea even right now where her right leg is supposed to be. Touching the left one, with the foot crossed behind. She's got like a gold thigh-plate on but only on the one leg
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I think if the black punisher is playable it's going to be as the curve topper in an aggro deck, preferably one with a mix of creatures and burn like modern Zoo. (Probably not actually playable in modern, though, since five mana might as well be infinity for an aggro deck). If they take the life loss, then it's a good bargain. If they sac creature(s), then they don't have (as many) blockers anymore, and there's a good chance the blockers were fat assed and/or hexproof poo poo that were hard for you to deal with anyway. If they discard, then they have fewer tools to fight back against you with. If they were sandbagging bad cards, then you still made them hold cards in order to deal with your poo poo, and they wasted draw steps on =<4 bad cards so you're still pretty happy with that game. Obviously the eternal flaw in the punisher mechanic is still there, but this comes closer than any punisher card ever really has.
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Rinkles posted:Agreed. I can't think of any complete stinkers in any of the recent dual colored uncommon cycles. The closest is probably Grovetender druids which is a reliable wheel in draft, and honestly the Auxiliary is probably equal to that. Though they should play together nicely in a durdly WGx Allies deck.
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Dungeon Ecology posted:but then that means you gotta play green. jund though
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Mind melter is good if you pick up a lot of processors. Also 2 unblockable damage and an equipment or something is good. I think it's as strong as the others but is more deck dependent.
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Nah do it in Grixis, use Skyspawner, Herald of Koz and Blight Herder. Or do it in four color since we're getting devoid-city of brass. And Ghostfire Blade. Love Ghostfire Blade.
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Elyv posted:that sounds awful, when you want to it to actually win your opponent discards cards and sacs creatures and if you're casting it before you've already basically won the game it does literal nothing since they just take 10 and continue doing whatever they were doing Oh I kinda agree with you. I've just noticed a lot of the Esper Dragon builds moving more towards pure Esper control and thought it could fit in there. Basically replacing Ojutai/Silumgar (which I'm not sure the most recent Esper Control runs in any great number). You're probably right though that if it did ever show up, you'd see it as a topper in some black aggro deck rather than a control thing where life pressure isn't as great.
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The Gaddock Teeg buyout seems like the most :mtgfinance: buyout in recent memory that isn't Storm World.alansmithee posted:Oh I kinda agree with you. I've just noticed a lot of the Esper Dragon builds moving more towards pure Esper control and thought it could fit in there. Basically replacing Ojutai/Silumgar (which I'm not sure the most recent Esper Control runs in any great number). As a random aside related to that deck, I stopped playing Dragonlord Silumgar a while back and just stuck with 4 Ojutai and 1-2 Drifting Death because Ob Nixilis continually outperforms Silumgar because they'd kill my dude and get their guy back, leaving me 6 mana down, where Ob Nixilis is often harder to interact with and tends to just win if you untap with him. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Dec 30, 2015 |
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fire the entire goddamn creative department, holy poo poo
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like i get trying to be cute and reference the set title but it looks hokey as poo poo
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I had the title line in OGW. Ugin is teaching Jace how to fight phyrexia, and I walk by and I go, "Ah boy, I'm just so tired of all these oaths of the gatewatch"
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