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-Troika- posted:He's basically paid by the PSUV to post, so in a sense, yes, he is. How does that work? Does some random PSUV committee go out on the internet and decide that yes, shoving propaganda down goons' throats is a good way to spend money?
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Traveller posted:How does that work? Does some random PSUV committee go out on the internet and decide that yes, shoving propaganda down goons' throats is a good way to spend money? Well, they thought giving money to Danny Glover was necessary so...
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Borneo Jimmy posted:Given that many of the communes have helped Venezuelans of Afro and Indigenous descent, there's a heavy element of racism to the MUD's intention to do away with the Communal Parliment and the Communes altogether Given that the Indigenous population in Venezuela gave its three assembly seats to the opposition, there's an even heavier element of racism to creating an extra-constitutional legislature as an end-run around a democratic election.
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Just imagine that every Borneo Jimmy post has a bright flashing gif saying "THIS IS WHAT CHAVISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE" at the top of it, and they suddenly serve a purpose in the thread.
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Why yes the Chavistas who are homophobic to the max and extremely religious to the point of delusion are the one's working hard to represent the downtrodden minorities! Meanwhile in the real world the MUD is the main representative for LGBT rights in Venezuela - the point that Chavisimo started whisper campaigns calling Capriles Gay to discredit him last election. Oh yeah and they have the first Transexual politician to win anything in an election. Pathetic even for you Borneo. If there is issues of racism in Venezuela Chavismo is directly responsible they've ruled the country with enough power for the past 20 years.
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Little by little they are taking these fuckers down, they arrested Winston Vallenilla's brother in law in Belgium for drug trafficking and sponsoring terrorism and now the US are going after Nestor Reverol.
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El Hefe posted:Little by little they are taking these fuckers down, they arrested Winston Vallenilla's brother in law in Belgium for drug trafficking and sponsoring terrorism and now the US are going after Nestor Reverol.  But the evil American-Colombian-OPEC-international-drug-cartel far-right conspiracy is oppressing us! (who did I leave out of the conspiracy)
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Woolie Wool posted:
Jews, Spaniards, the Pope, and Masons.
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Illuminati Repto-hominid Egyptofascists HATE this one weird trick to starting a Bolivian Revolution!
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The Illuminati-Spaniard alliance (acting on orders from the Mason Terrorist Pope) struck out again last week as Venezuelan businessman Roberto Rincon was arrested by authorities in Texas. Rincon is accused of being involved in a conspiracy to bribe PDVSA officials for contracts to the tune of $750 million between 2010 and 2013. Rincon appeared before a federal judge in Houston yesterday, and was denied bail. You can read his order of detention pending trial here. Some interesting bits:
This is another piece in the giant corruption puzzle involved PDVSA. Earlier this year, we found out that a bank in Andorra was under investigation for laundering billion of dollars for PDVSA. Later in the year, we found out that PDVSA officials - including its former head, Rafael Ramirez - received "billions of dollars in kickbacks" in schemes exactly like the one Rincon is accused of being involved in. PDVSA and the Venezuelan government are rotten to the core. They are indefensible organizations.
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Any chance that money is going to be returned to the Venezuelan government?
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Squalid posted:Any chance that money is going to be returned to the Venezuelan government? Hahaha no Nice username bro really fits the thread hahah
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Venezuela: Ahora ofreciendo la inmundicia
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Dec 22, 2015 20:31
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if there's a thing socialism's good at is making everyone equally miserable.
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Squalid posted:Any chance that money is going to be returned to the Venezuelan government? Unfortunately, PDVSA is wholly owned by the Venezuelan government. To say that PDVSA stole that money is to say that the Venezuelan government stole that money. One of the reasons why the PSUV was so afraid to lose the National Assembly was that the MUD has promised to open up investigations into all of these allegations of corruption and money laundering that the PSUV-run National Assembly has chosen to ignore for reasons that are becoming increasingly obvious.
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The government is trying to remove opposition deputies through the Supreme Tribunal of Justice, which shouldn't be working at this time of the year, but is doing so with permission from the current National Assembly, which isn't supposed to be in session but is doing so with permission from...The TSJ.quote:Secretary General of opposition umbrella group Unified Democratic Panel (MUD), Jesús Torrealba, denounced that the Electoral Court of the Supreme Tribunal of Justice (TSJ) admitted an action filed by ruling United Socialist Party of Venezuela (PSUV) that seeks to contest the election of 22 opposition deputies who won a seat at Congress in the December 6 parliament vote. fnox fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Dec 22, 2015 23:40
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Dec 23, 2015 01:34
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Look Mr. Burns is clearly a horrible person but I don't think we should descend to the level where we call him a Peronist.
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fnox posted:The government is trying to remove opposition deputies through the Supreme Tribunal of Justice, which shouldn't be working at this time of the year, but is doing so with permission from the current National Assembly, which isn't supposed to be in session but is doing so with permission from...The TSJ.  and people still defend the PSUV
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fnox posted:The government is trying to remove opposition deputies through the Supreme Tribunal of Justice, which shouldn't be working at this time of the year, but is doing so with permission from the current National Assembly, which isn't supposed to be in session but is doing so with permission from...The TSJ. Would you rather live under an illegitimate PSUV government which has seized power through bureaucratic coup, or under a Peronesque right-wing strongman?
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My Imaginary GF posted:Would you rather live under an illegitimate PSUV government which has seized power through bureaucratic coup, or under a Peronesque right-wing strongman? Well I don't think people had trouble buying milk or eggs under Peron so the answer is quite simple. Perspective is anything. Retards like My Imaginary GF and Borneo Jimmy couldn't even loving imagine living without a dish washer; much less living in the environments most people in South America do plus having to do without be able to obtain even the most basic goods. Most people in South America just want living their lives to be as uncomplicated as possible. The PSUV has managed to add a bunch of judges to the Supreme Court like nearly 30, no one is sure what their game plan is seeing how the MUD should be able to just remove them next year but they must be planning something major.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Would you rather live under an illegitimate PSUV government which has seized power through bureaucratic coup, or under a Peronesque right-wing strongman? I like this combo.
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More about the PSUV's drug trafficking..
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Less than a week after the PSUV illegally stuffed 13 magistrates into the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court has accepted challenges to the elections in eight districts. The challenges involve the following districts:
The MUD currently holds 112 seats in the National Assembly, which gives it a 2/3 majority and the full arsenal of the legislature's powers. If the Supreme Court were to accept even one of the challenges and overturn the election result, it would mean that the MUD would lose the 2/3 majority. The TSJ cut its vacation short to review the case, since it wasn't scheduled to reconvene until the first week of January. Two of the thirteen magistrates the PSUV crammed into the TSJ last week are now part of the court's Sala Electoral [Electoral Hall], which will render a decision on this case.
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Welp, saw that one coming. I don't think anyone thought Maduro was seriously just going to roll over and give up.
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Last week the MUD sent out a press release to pre-empt this move basically saying "Hey, we know what you're trying to pull, knock it off", the Supreme Court went like "That is a completely false and unfounded accusation" and then here we are. The real cherry on top of this whole fiasco is the wording of these challenges uses many of the same arguments that motherfucking Capriles made in 2013 when he attempted to contest the results of those elections and everyone said he was full of it. That plus the government making a big deal of signing a document to respect the results beforehand. The new assembly is supposed to be sworn in on January 5th, let's see what happens in the meantime.
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El Nacional just put up some graphics showing the difference in votes in the challenged districts. Two out of the eight are relatively close. The MUD won Aragua's district 4 by 724 votes and district 3 by 82 votes. The other six districts aren't really close. The differences range from 2,260 votes (Amazonas district 1) to 28,312 (Indigenous Representative, Southern Region).
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The TSJ are going to rule in the PSUV's favor, the question is what's the MUD going to do about it.
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drilldo squirt posted:If they were going to pull this why didn't they just lie about the results or something? Outright fraud would've been very easy to prove and they can't have that, a large part of chavismo's credentials are based on its repeated success at the polls. Challenging these specific districts could cost the MUD up to 8 seats if they go forward with it, but that would imply re-doing the elections in these places. The key here is that a couple of these races were close enough that chavismo could've won them if they had a better turnout, and if the challenges go through elections would have to be held again in these districts. If the MUD loses a single deputy it will forfeit the 2/3rds majority. To put things in perspective, that majority basically puts a gun to the head of the government: shape up or get kicked out real soon; without it, they can still accomplish some things but the government would get a new lease on life. Plus, this way they still get to say "See? they won the elections! This is a democracy". Naturally the MUD won't accept this, but short of protests forcing the government to back down I don't see how they can actually enforce their victory. Labradoodle fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Dec 30, 2015 |
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One of the losing PSUV candidates in Amazonas state filed a challenge which the Supreme Court allowed today. The Court has ruled that the election ratification process in the state must stop immediately, which means that the state's three National Assembly seats are in limbo. Three of the seats went to the MUD, and one went to the PSUV. Earlier today, Maduro spoke on television and said that the opposition cheated, and that if they hadn't done so they PSUV might have at least tied the election. He also said that the opposition bought votes, somehow controlled everyone involved in the electoral process (poll workers and witnesses). Also, in an apparent reference to "Operation Fanny Pack", Maduro also said that opposition agents strapped explosives to PSUV supporters and threatened to blow them up if they encouraged people to vote. Here's the clip of Maduro's comments along with my translation below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDQSXIf3Y50 quote:Maduro: The numbers, the results, are there. In the middle of an economic war, we finished the race like this [gestures with fingers]: dead even. If you count all of the electoral fraud they committed by buying votes in the country -- it's vulgar, the way they bought votes. Venezuela: 
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El Hefe posted:if there's a thing socialism's good at is making everyone equally miserable. Indeed, Norway is a terrible place to live.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Indeed, Norway is a terrible place to live. Norway isn't socialist.
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karthun posted:Norway isn't socialist. Venezuela isn't Socialist. About the NCC, some people mentioned that the National Assembly should just ignore them. The bigger danger would be that the state apparatus would ignore the NA instead. As mentioned by several people the opposition will already face issues with foot dragging and intransigence given how the current state companies and institutions are packed with supporters and dependents of the current regime. The current Supreme Court shenanigans is only one obvious attempt at rolling back their defeat. The NCC is another one and if they can get it set up (and they'll ignore any attempt by the legislature to stop them I bet you) they'll first try to run things through them ignoring those annoying upstarts in the assembly. The only way that's not going to be the case is if the PSUV suffers a further collapse of authority or one of party discipline.
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Amused to Death posted:I feel like the end result of this is basically going to be riots You're not thinking long-term enough. What happens when Maduro gives the military an order to put down the riots with live fire? Here's what I see as the smart play for MUD: Make sure the military is behind you, seat your supermajority of delegates, stuff the supreme court to rule the previous stuffing and electoral fuckery attempts of PSUV invalid, null, and void, and round up PSUV supporters who are attempting a coup and begin mass prosecutions of the communists so as to preserve democratic institutions against their use of military force to hold onto power. Eliminate all fuel subsidies, privitize state assets, have the courts rule cooperatives were illegal seizures of state funds for corrupt purposes, and ensure that above all else the civil servants, such as those in the police, military, and security services have a fully-funded salary and pension which can afford them at a minimum a high quality middle-class lifestyle. Here's the most likely move I see for PSUV: Burn the Reichstag.
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Chuck Boone posted:One of the losing PSUV candidates in Amazonas state filed a challenge which the Supreme Court allowed today. The Court has ruled that the election ratification process in the state must stop immediately, which means that the state's three National Assembly seats are in limbo. Three of the seats went to the MUD, and one went to the PSUV. Best. Electoral System. In The World.
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Btw, their top priority, bar nothing else, should be to find some way to get enough essentials like food in the hands of people. That method should be organised obviously (so looting is not the answer) and they need to make it as sustainable as they can again just as obviously. All this talk of immediately ending subsidies and letting the free market simply take over is how a lot of reformist and revolutionary governments have ended up with mobs on the street which deposed them or made them change their mind double quick. Their best bet would probably to have a system to distribute a basic amount of rations to everyone and but let the prices outside that float. Perhaps try to fund that by shifting the subsidies of gas to one from low prices at the pump to some way of maintaining low public transport prices (buses et al). Basically try to limit the price support as much as possible and get the most bang for your buck for what you do get. The main problem with that though is that of course the institutions that are in place to run these programs through are riddled with corruption. Some oversight mechanism would have to be devised to make sure that free food rations would actually reach the iintended recipients rather than diverted mid way. One possibility would be to make the buying and distribution of these goods as transparent as possible so that citizens would spot if a shipment they have been promised goes missing. That said that would again not be straightforward to set up and would need an arbitrator for the citizens to report to who would be willing and able to investigate, prosecute and stop these abuses. Anyway, if a large majority of the country is facing the daily possibility of not having food on the table and you're put into power by a wave of popularity because the current people in power can't deal with that, then a move which exacerbates the crisis by immediately raising prices massively and likely to only have a impact on supply in the medium term is probably not the best way to stay in charge. Especially if you have a populist old guard ready to foment discontent and stab you in the back at the first sign that they could get away with it.
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