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teagone posted:Lucas called Disney 'white slavers' lmao http://deadline.com/2015/12/george-lucas-white-slavers-disney-charlie-rose-interview-1201674262/ Perhaps he feels he's being treated unfairly?
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teagone posted:Lucas called Disney 'white slavers' lmao http://deadline.com/2015/12/george-lucas-white-slavers-disney-charlie-rose-interview-1201674262/ Cnut posted the interview where he said that like 10 PT arguments and 20 Mary Sue arguments ago.
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Dec 31, 2015 15:16
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Yah and now other news sites are picking it up. Saw a post on CBC up here in Canada. He's gonna regret opening his big dumb mouth.
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Dec 31, 2015 15:43
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Perhaps he feels he's being treated unfairly? I haven't watched that clip, because listening to Lucas talk makes me sad. Maybe he was referring to the white men running the first order stealing the black children(finn is the only one we see) from their families and forcing them to become stormtroopers?
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Dec 31, 2015 15:49
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I honestly don't know why he's complaining. He wasn't cheated out of the franchise and he can't have been hurting for money, the power was in him not to sell Star Wars to Disney if he felt that strongly about them
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Dec 31, 2015 16:01
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It's clear in the clip that he's telling a joke. Nothing is safe from soundbyte journalism.
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Dec 31, 2015 16:04
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CelticPredator posted:She's stuck on a lovely planet and she's poor. Defeated yet again by Darth Kapital
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Dec 31, 2015 16:11
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's clear in the clip that he's telling a joke. Nothing is safe from soundbyte journalism. Fair point, he does come across pretty reasonably in the clip. I've not heard the term white slavers before though, does it have US specific cultural connotations?
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Dec 31, 2015 16:12
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Fair point, he does come across pretty reasonably in the clip. I've not heard the term white slavers before though, does it have US specific cultural connotations? Every time I've ever heard it in its non-archaic context, it's specifically referring to sexual slavery.
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Dec 31, 2015 16:16
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Dec 31, 2015 16:16
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Lucas owns.
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Dec 31, 2015 16:20
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:When Rey is called 'scavenger scum', her response is effectively "I'm not scum like them." They specifically include a scene where Rey sees herself in the future as a worn, old woman with the specific message of how terrible a fate it would be.
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Dec 31, 2015 16:22
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The Force Awakens: Listen - strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you. I mean, if I went around saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
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Dec 31, 2015 16:30
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Sunny Side Up posted:Cnut posted the interview where he said that like 10 PT arguments and 20 Mary Sue arguments ago. I don't read Cnut's posts half the time.
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Dec 31, 2015 16:57
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Danger posted:Lucas owns. Not the star wars franchise anymore, thank god
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A Steampunk Gent posted:I honestly don't know why he's complaining. He wasn't cheated out of the franchise and he can't have been hurting for money, the power was in him not to sell Star Wars to Disney if he felt that strongly about them The interview the clip is from is very good and gives some insight into the apparent contradiction in the soundbite. Lucas digs deep into his past as an artist to explain how he views his legacy, and it's clear that he doesn't care about the money and that Star Wars is very dear to his heart, more of a personal project than a carefully-conceived commercial product. He sold the rights because he wanted to retire instead of managing the details of this massive cultural phenomenon that he had constructed, and the only way to do that was to put it in the hands of some entity that would make it difficult for him to become involved in future projects. The break-up analogy is really apt: you don't want to move on and it's not easy, but it's for the best. Hence the gallows humor about the whole thing.
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Dec 31, 2015 17:06
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teagone posted:I don't read Cnut's posts half the time. I don't agree with a lot of his/her conclusions but they put a fair bit of effort and research into their posts, you should!
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Dec 31, 2015 17:10
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Does anyone else feel like Poe was more original Han Solo in dialogue while being the Wedge Antilles of today?
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Dec 31, 2015 17:18
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dialhforhero posted:Does anyone else feel like Poe was more original Han Solo in dialogue while being the Wedge Antilles of today? Poe's dialogue actually most resembles Princess Leia honestly.
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Dec 31, 2015 17:22
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Danger posted:They specifically include a scene where Rey sees herself in the future as a worn, old woman with the specific message of how terrible a fate it would be. Rey and BB8 spontaneously beat & taser Finn until they discover he's not a scavenger.
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Dec 31, 2015 17:24
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Rey and BB8 spontaneously beat & taser Finn until they discover he's not a thief. Fixed that for you.
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Dec 31, 2015 17:25
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Because Rey is so morally against stealing from crashed warships.
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Dec 31, 2015 17:32
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Danger posted:Because Rey is so morally against stealing from crashed warships. Stealing from other scavengers seems like a no-no on noted shithole Jakku. BB-8 saw the jacket, told Rey, and she chased him down, accused him of the act, beat and tazed him (bro) a bit until he told them Poe's name and what happened.
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Dec 31, 2015 17:36
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ImpAtom posted:Poe's dialogue actually most resembles Princess Leia honestly. Poe's role in the movie is also similar to Leia's in the original in some ways. Not just because he's the one who gives the droid the thing that kicks off the plot, but also because he gets rescued by someone dressed as a storm trooper and then immediately takes charge in escaping, and isn't in a large portion of the movie despite being treated as one of the "main" characters in marketing. One might say he's Leia's protege the way Han took Rey and, to a lesser extent, Finn under his wing.
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Dec 31, 2015 17:38
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Danger posted:Because Rey is so morally against stealing from crashed warships. Rey has no idea Poe is 'dead' or that he was even on a crashed warship. Literally the only thing BB8 knows is that Poe went off to do a thing and was supposed to meet him at that settlement. She jumps to a conclusion but has no reason to assume that Poe scavanged the jacket from a crashed TIE Fighter.
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ImpAtom posted:Rey has no idea Poe is 'dead' or that he was even on a crashed warship. Literally the only thing BB8 knows is that Poe went off to do a thing and was supposed to meet him at that settlement. She jumps to a conclusion but has no reason to assume that Poe scavanged the jacket from a crashed TIE Fighter. Nor would BB-8 know how he got it, not being there at the time.
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Dec 31, 2015 17:39
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:The interview the clip is from is very good and gives some insight into the apparent contradiction in the soundbite. Lucas digs deep into his past as an artist to explain how he views his legacy, and it's clear that he doesn't care about the money and that Star Wars is very dear to his heart, more of a personal project than a carefully-conceived commercial product. He sold the rights because he wanted to retire instead of managing the details of this massive cultural phenomenon that he had constructed, and the only way to do that was to put it in the hands of some entity that would make it difficult for him to become involved in future projects. The break-up analogy is really apt: you don't want to move on and it's not easy, but it's for the best. Hence the gallows humor about the whole thing. Yeah I had a look at it afterwards and his decision makes alot more sense in that context. It's a shame he never got round to making the sequel trilogy himself, I've been rewatching the series and I'd somewhat agree with this thread that the PT is unfairly maligned, but yeah the guy is in his seventies and I can see him not wanting to be directing episode IX on his death bed SuperMechagodzilla posted:Rey and BB8 spontaneously beat & taser Finn until they discover he's not a scavenger. He's one of the good ones- good stormtroopers I mean
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Dec 31, 2015 17:40
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A Steampunk Gent posted:He's one of the good ones- good stormtroopers I mean Pretty hosed up that they immediately assume the only black guy on Jakku is a thief if you ask me.
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Dec 31, 2015 17:41
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RBA Starblade posted:Stealing from other scavengers seems like a no-no on noted shithole Jakku. You mean like when Rey stole from Teedo.
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Dec 31, 2015 17:42
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Danger posted:You mean like when Rey stole from Teedo. Rey did not steal from Teedo. Teedo was attempting to steal BB8 who was droid on a mission for his master. Rey freed him and gave him advice on how to complete his mission before she was guilted into going along with him. I'm pretty sure that if you sent R2-D2 down the street to get some milk from the store it still counts as stealing if someone tries to grab him. (There's something to be said about the uncomfortable realm of robot slavery but y'know.)
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Dec 31, 2015 17:43
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Danger posted:You mean like when Rey stole from Teedo. I am going to guess Teedo is the guy who tossed a net over BB-8. It seems like it's also a no-no (for her at least) to do it to working droids, she says he has "no respect" for anything/anyone (I forget the exact quote) afterwards. But you can tell it's not just "she thinks Finn's a scavenger" because she says exactly what she and BB-8 are accusing him of. quote:(There's something to be said about the uncomfortable realm of robot slavery but y'know.) It's interesting to note how the protagonists treat BB-8 actually.
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Dec 31, 2015 17:46
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jivjov posted:Why would anyone laugh at Ren taking off the helmet? I guess it's just a moment of released tension when he's revealed to not be a horrible burn victim like Vader? I laughed because he look like a sweaty teenager instead of a chiseled villain or something. I honestly don't know what I was expecting. He redeemed it by keeping the same intimidating voice which I thought was impressive. Really I find Kylo to be the character PT Anakin should have been.
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Sylink posted:I laughed because he look like a sweaty teenager instead of a chiseled villain or something. I honestly don't know what I was expecting. I didn't laugh at him taking it off though I did crack a smile at Rey's reaction to it. "Oh he actually did"
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RBA Starblade posted:Stealing from other scavengers seems like a no-no on noted shithole Jakku. Rey's boss stole the Millenium Falcon, and then Rey steals it from him. The boss also tries to steal her droid. Scavengers tear apart ships the instant they crash, without even checking for survivors. Rey stays on Jakku to punish herself. She hates scavengers. Contrast with Vader, who works with the 'scum' that even the Rebels reject.
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Dec 31, 2015 17:57
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Beeez posted:Poe's role in the movie is also similar to Leia's in the original in some ways. Not just because he's the one who gives the droid the thing that kicks off the plot, but also because he gets rescued by someone dressed as a storm trooper and then immediately takes charge in escaping, and isn't in a large portion of the movie despite being treated as one of the "main" characters in marketing. One might say he's Leia's protege the way Han took Rey and, to a lesser extent, Finn under his wing. Poe was also the one strapped to the chair facing that hovering torture droid (or whatever that thing is) I actually was thinking about how a lot of the characters take on multiple ANH "roles". Poe as you mentioned is like Leia, but also like Luke (X-wing pilot who goes on a trench run and is best friends with a plucky droid) but also even a little like Obi Wan in the way he provides Finn with an identity (Obi Wan tells Luke the "truth" about his Jedi heritage, Poe literally gives Finn a name and mission). Han Solo is himself but obviously really matches Obi Wan in his arc showing up partway through the movie to mentor the younger characters. Finn and Rey have elements of all of them, they both obviously resemble Luke but also Han (Rey is an expert pilot of the Falcon, Finn is a survivor who just wants to run away but returns to help his friends) and there are obviously some parallels between Leia and Rey. It's actually really interesting the way they took those archetypes and broke them apart and spread them around the cast.
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Dec 31, 2015 18:08
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Guy A. Person posted:Poe was also the one strapped to the chair facing that hovering torture droid (or whatever that thing is) Yep. Finn's similarity to Han is further pronounced, too, because he was brought up in a culture of violent outlaws but still manages to learn to care about other people.
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RBA Starblade posted:It's interesting to note how the protagonists treat BB-8 actually. There was quite a lot of, for want of a better term, droids rights stuff in there. A part that stuck out for me was having the tentacle monsters do the same action as BB-8 had done minutes before with his wires. They were like giant biological BB-8s and it felt very specific to me.
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Dec 31, 2015 19:08
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Something I found funny about the rathtar scene is the way Rey saves Finn vs how Luke beats the rancor in RotJ. I guess one Force power is precision door-closing.
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Dec 31, 2015 19:13
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The film stresses that Rey is impoverished by choice. She can leave the planet at any point, and is hypercompetent at like five different skills. "At any point" is stretching it. The only reason she and Finn manage to hijack the piece of junk is because the town is being strafed and there's total chaos. Plus it's not exactly inaccurate to have poor people engaging in self-entrapping behavior, out of a sense of obligation to family or community. Consider the end of Kes where the boy's brother kills the kestrel because he resents the idea that his brother might do anything except lead the exact same life he does. It's easy to instill a sense in the lower classes that they have to stay where they are, even if you've already made social mobility nonexistent.
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Literally the first thing we're shown is Rey being a scavenger, her "theft" from another scavenger involves freeing a distressed droid from slavery or dismantling (if TFA were a George Lucas film this action would be immediately praised for its connotations WRT droid rights). Large portions of the film are spent focused on salvaged goods with high esteem/respect/fear (Luke's Lightsaber, Vader's helmet, First Order's repainted fleet, the Millenium Falcon, R2-D2), it's alluded to that Rey is a remnant of Luke's murdered Jedi Council (making her a scavenged good in her own right). This argument that the film consists of or supports a narrative where the rebels hate poor scavenging citizens is incredibly strained. In addition, considering these conflicting readings together show a lack of faith in prior readings of droids as independent beings, and at worst present an incredibly troubling argument when applied to reality (Harriet Tubman showed extreme contempt for the southern proletariat by stealing countless goods over the course of years!). If we're going to attribute anything to the prevalence of scavengers and reclaimed goods, I'd argue in favor of the film depicting the rebel characters finding respect for their past while focusing on moving on, while the empire consists of figures refusing to let go of "the good ol' days"; Luke's Saber being used as a practical tool instead of an esteemed religious artifact, vs. Kylo Ren's worship of Vader's breathing mask, the Millenium Falcon having to earn back its respect, Rey's eventual acceptance towards moving past Jakku (Tattooine 2), Snoke's emulation of The Emperor, Hux's inadequacy in Tarkin's role, Kylo Ren's crisis when faced with his father, Rey's respectful-yet-independent greeting of Luke, Snoke's disregard for the Starkiller in favor of retaining McVader, etc. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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