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I say bring on the lone wolves. That is the logic that created Daesh - lets have a honeypot so we can cull all individuals above a radicalization threshold.
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I'm finding it wonderful that my Facebook feed seems to be a wonderful harmonious place of both right-wingers and left-wingers ragging on these guys. They picked a ridiculous hill to die on and are playing the martyr card way too early. Also, the joke has already been made, but 
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Maybe housekeeping could just slip an itemized invoice under the front door every morning like when you stay at a hotel. After a couple days they'll realize they can't afford this and try to sneak out after dark, last man left gets stuck with the bill.
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ahahaha so now we got MORE militias running around than we had in the 90s. I change my mind, gun everyone down, I want to experience a low intensity conflict first hand. EDIT- https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016/01/04/antigovernment-militia-groups-grew-more-one-third-last-year Oh my
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https://archive.org/details/AnarchismInAmerica1983 Information Technology is the means by which the state can dissolve into society and culture.
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Nessus posted:Their only hostage at present is the wildlife preserve and federal buildings they're occupying. ANd themselves, maybe. Themselves, holding guns to their own heads screaming, "Come on! Do it! I loving dare you!"
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:On NPR a reporter was talking about how the Militia wants to secure the land for all tax paying citizens. They wouldn't let media in though. The reporter said he was a tax paying citizen and the ended up getting him in with Ritzheimer as his escort. I hope a bunch of journalists are firing up their think-pieces on the important place of the media in the struggle of protest movements
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Themselves, holding guns to their own heads screaming, "Come on! Do it! I loving dare you!" They won't be able to take out international finance loans in my name anymore!
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Jan 5, 2016 04:18
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Militants In Oregon Say They'll Leave If Local Community Asks I wonder if they'll show up at this "community meeting" unarmed so as not to unfairly sway the opinion of the townsfolk.
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LogisticEarth posted:I'm finding it wonderful that my Facebook feed seems to be a wonderful harmonious place of both right-wingers and left-wingers ragging on these guys. They picked a ridiculous hill to die on and are playing the martyr card way too early. And in Oregon, a literal hill the militia wants to literally die on! 
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Militants In Oregon Say They'll Leave If Local Community Asks he might actualy mean it. If he can't get actual support from the locals, he is hosed and he knows it. he has to depend on locals for supplies and to keep his cause "just". He may also be looking for a out that doesn't make them look like complete impotent cowards.
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McDowell posted:They won't be able to take out international finance loans in my name anymore! https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z_JOGmXpe5I Actually, this whole militia situation is basically Blazing Saddles 2: Electric Snack-aloo. The comedy writes itself. "Overthrow the county and federal government! PS we need snacks, please mail to this address via USPS k thx  "
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Venom Snake posted:SA destroyed the conservative attempt at making a new facebook by flooding it with Hitlers and gay interracial porn. Somehow I forgot about that, despite possibly being involved in some way.
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Covered in poop posted:Who cares if they do? What's that smell? There are other expressions that mean the same thing. Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas. Uhhh... I'm sure there's more. The point is that there is no gain from doing things your way, everyone loses or 'everyone gets covered in poo poo.' You may not like it, but things are done this way for a reason. After the disaster of handling militias in 90's, nobody wants that poo poo on them again. Also, I don't think you get how the whole website thing works.
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McDowell posted:I say bring on the lone wolves. That is the logic that created Daesh - lets have a honeypot so we can cull all individuals above a radicalization threshold. This is loving nonsense and you know it. If you're referring to the indirect "creation" of AQI by the Iraq invasion, the "honeypot for radicals" was absolutely not the intention of any of the invasion planners, and although Dubya and Cheney may have made one or two statements to that effect as a justification for their failures after the fact, even the neocons didn't make much use of that argument and quickly pivoted to arguing that they could shut down the influx of jihadists if they were just given a few more years and a few more billion dollars. It was the same post-hoc rear end-covering that led the WW1 German general staff to claim that it had been their plan to subject the French army to attrition at the battle of Verdun after failing to reach their actual objectives. Just so we're clear, the point you were sarcastically trying to make is that it is *never* worthwhile to aggressively prosecute extremist militias if it might inspire lone wolf attacks in retaliation? Has D&D actually bought into the meme that it was the Feds who were at fault for the bloodshed at Waco, and not the heavily-armed, child-raping death-cultists who opened fire with automatic weapons in response to federal agents coming with search warrants for their illegal arsenal? In my opinion the greatest tragedy of Waco (aside from the deaths of the officers and the brainwashed women and children choosing to die rather than surrender) was that it convinced federal law enforcement to walk on eggshells around psychotic cults with mostly white membership and, for example, drag their feet when it came to shutting down the ISIS-like Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints compounds sprinkling the southwest.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:he might actualy mean it. If he can't get actual support from the locals, he is hosed and he knows it. he has to depend on locals for supplies and to keep his cause "just". He may also be looking for a out that doesn't make them look like complete impotent cowards. I'd imagine that the community fully supports them. You usually can't go far wrong in presuming that any adult member of a rural community holds the absolute worst possible opinions on everything.
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Liberal_L33t posted:I'd imagine that the community fully supports them. You usually can't go far wrong in presuming that any adult member of a rural community holds the absolute worst possible opinions on everything. The sheriff seems to hate them, at least.
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The honeypot logic came out of neglecting the hard work resolving sectarian strife in the Levant. Not the Iraq war alone. Which song should we be singing? 'This land is your land' or 'This Land is Mine'?
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Liberal_L33t posted:This is loving nonsense and you know it. If you're referring to the indirect "creation" of AQI by the Iraq invasion, the "honeypot for radicals" was absolutely not the intention of any of the invasion planners, and although Dubya and Cheney may have made one or two statements to that effect as a justification for their failures after the fact, even the neocons didn't make much use of that argument and quickly pivoted to arguing that they could shut down the influx of jihadists if they were just given a few more years and a few more billion dollars. It was the same post-hoc rear end-covering that led the WW1 German general staff to claim that it had been their plan to subject the French army to attrition at the battle of Verdun after failing to reach their actual objectives. As opposed to the Oklahoma city bombing that was a.resulf of Waco?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:He may also be looking for a out that doesn't make them look like complete impotent cowards. This is most likely it. It might be dawning on them that they completely hosed this up and they need a way to save face and "protect their honor." If not, send them a few 5lb bags of sugarless Haribo gummy bears, put them in camouflage sacks labeled "Tactical Energy Gels", and shut off their sewage lines.
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Liberal_L33t posted:I'd imagine that the community fully supports them. You usually can't go far wrong in presuming that any adult member of a rural community holds the absolute worst possible opinions on everything. You imagine incorrectly.   
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Live from Malheur National Wildlife Refuge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMl00VrPExc
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Liberal_L33t posted:I'd imagine that the community fully supports them. You usually can't go far wrong in presuming that any adult member of a rural community holds the absolute worst possible opinions on everything. You gotta be careful though, insular rural communities usually hate outsiders more than anything else even if they have the same beliefs.
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SedanChair posted:Live from Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Please apologize, the Zapatistas are much cooler than these hillbillies.
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Armyman25 posted:As opposed to the Oklahoma city bombing that was a.resulf of Waco? Yes, because I refuse to accept that any responsibility for a terrorist bombing is on the heads of the federal agencies for doing their job in dismantling a cultist militia drilling with illegal automatic weapons and keeping child sex-slaves. The responsibility for the federal building bombing or something like it would most probably have happened anyway (the fanatics had plenty to be angry about even without Waco). If we followed the train of logic that legitimate law enforcement actions are responsible for any and all acts of violent retaliation, does that mean that in response to the North Hollywood shootout, metropolitan police departments should have implemented a policy of always letting armed bank robbers walk away with their loot? Hey, they could always settle for trying to dig up and repossess the cash later when the criminals weren't looking, right? That would be less likely to draw a violent response!
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Liberal_L33t posted:If we followed the train of logic that legitimate law enforcement actions are responsible for any and all acts of violent retaliation, does that mean that in response to the North Hollywood shootout, metropolitan police departments should have implemented a policy of always letting armed bank robbers walk away with their loot? Hey, they could always settle for trying to dig up and repossess the cash later when the criminals weren't looking, right? That would be less likely to draw a violent response! Yes?
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ansel autisms posted:You imagine incorrectly. Plus every single resident interviewed by the press has said they don't want them there, even a few who say they agree with their general point of view (militia NIMBYs, I guess). I have not seen one single quote from a resident who supports them. The person who gave them some chili, I guess, might support them, or just felt sorry for them, or was trying to poison them, who knows?
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Someone explain to me how setting a fire on fed land somehow covers up poaching or is somehow less conspicuous than a few blood splatters in the middle of nowhere.
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the trump tutelage posted:Someone explain to me how setting a fire on fed land somehow covers up poaching or is somehow less conspicuous than a few blood splatters in the middle of nowhere. Maybe like the Bundys they were using the land for an extended period - building stands and stuff like that. Maybe they had legitimate goals for a controlled burn that would remove the stands. Other drama has since ensued and they are heeding sound legal advice and serving their sentence. At least they weren't running a drug grow op on federal land, which get found now and then.
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My favorite part about these threads is the casual classism that gets thrown around at rural folk.
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Man Whore posted:My favorite part about these threads is the casual classism that gets thrown around at rural folk. They're assholes no matter how much or little money they have. gently caress 'em.
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Man Whore posted:My favorite part about these threads is the casual classism that gets thrown around at rural folk.
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Man Whore posted:My favorite part about these threads is the casual classism that gets thrown around at rural folk. Don't these idiots know that these people are going to need to develop class consciousness before we're ever going to get this class war off the ground.
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Man Whore posted:My favorite part about these threads is the casual classism that gets thrown around at rural folk. I'm a poor guy that grew up around poor rural folks and I couldn't loving wait to get away from them. Some of them are actually just decent, salt of the earth types but most of them were just so drat proud about being a bunch of ignorant, obnoxious rednecks. The generation gap was huge too. Older rural folks were generally pretty nice with the exception of casual racism (this is in the north, by the way) but holy hell did they produce awful, awful children.
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Man Whore posted:My favorite part about these threads is the casual classism that gets thrown around at rural folk. We all hate Liberal_L33t, don't worry.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oregon-militia-allies-idUSKBN0UJ04120160105 Interesting negative reaction from other militia groups.
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It's this what bothers me always and I'd like to hammer it down the throats of idiots. For them, war and fighting is about rifle attachements and having more guns. They just don't get that the real militaries are more than that. Without socks, food, toilet paper and warm equipment everything stops. They always talk about the war, but aren't prepared to hold out a day in the wilderness. But they do have guns. It's just that you don't even have to shoot at an enemy that's killing itself while trucks bring you supplies.
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Xandu posted:http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oregon-militia-allies-idUSKBN0UJ04120160105 Like that guy said earlier, this is basically a major bummer to those groups, because it confirms their greatest insecurity that maybe they have devoted their lives to the false belief in a government boogyman, and maybe they are the delusional ones, not the American public. Kind of an ideological buyer's remorse.
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Xandu posted:http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oregon-militia-allies-idUSKBN0UJ04120160105 Has anyone actually taken their side yet? Where's that convoy of sympathizers we were told to expect by now?
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Has anyone actually taken their side yet? Where's that convoy of sympathizers we were told to expect by now? youtube.com
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