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NecroMonster posted:Personally I like to assume that the Jedi order (and by extension) Yoda actually were right about everything they said about emotional attachment leading to the dark side and stuff, because that would open the door up for Vader not actually having been redeemed at all, because it turns out that throwing a fit and saving the life of your own flesh and blood in a moment of rage when you care not a lick for the life of anyone else doesn't actually make you a great person, even if the dude you are killed is like just really god damned evil holy cow If Anakin hadn't been redeemed, he wouldn't have shown up as Anakin as a ghost. He either wouldn't have shown up at all, or would've shown up as Vader. Schwarzwald posted:This talk about Luke's lightsaber reminded me of something. No, it is Anakin's 2nd (3rd?) Lightsaber, Luke's first, the one Obi-wan gave him. No we don't know how Maz got it, she said she'd tell us later.
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Jerkface posted:drat, will we ever figure out this mystery? I hope they release an separate movie to answer this... You're joking right? Please tell me you're joking.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:If Anakin hadn't been redeemed, he wouldn't have shown up as Anakin as a ghost. He either wouldn't have shown up at all, or would've shown up as Vader. actually. Qui-gon is definitely kind of a turd by jedi standards, and he "invented" the whole thing.
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Wait do they actually say "This is Luke's lightsaber" cause why can't it be Kenobi's??
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so vader is just back to his old tricks, taking over the galaxy and trying to turn his relatives to the dark side, only he's in the big man seat this time, and he's doing it all as a force ghost
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Their hotel rooms are so broken down and gross. England in the early 80s must have been a real hellscape.
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Jack Gladney posted:England is a real hellscape.
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this is why luke hosed off after having his jedi teaching time ruined, because he realized that yoda wasn't in fact full of poo poo and personal connections really are just awful for "good" jedi it's also why Rey is the light side of the force's best hope, because she has no personal attachments at all
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:"The critical point of planetary Reflection, the fruit of socialization, far from being a mere spark in the darkness, represents our passage, by Translation or dematerialization, to another sphere of the Universe: not an ending of the ultra-human but its accession to some sort of trans-humanity at the ultimate heart of things." That's cool and all but I don't see how its proving your point. Quoting scripture and making massive assumptions is not a very good tactic, especially when you've taken the original quote completely out of context. “My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us, binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force flow around you. Here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, yes, even between the land and the ship.” He's simply telling luke to listen to what the force is telling him, and not his body, nothing more than that.
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I saw it tonight and I have to wonder what ways they're going to try to make Rey look cool in the next two movies. I don't think they can top this one.
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Justin_Brett posted:I saw it tonight and I have to wonder what ways they're going to try to make Rey look cool in the next two movies. I don't think they can top this one. when rey goes dark side... then we will discover the cool rey
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Hollismason posted:Wait do they actually say "This is Luke's lightsaber" cause why can't it be Kenobi's?? Yes, it's explicitly called Luke's ("and his father's before him"), and it looks nothing like any lightsaber we see Kenobi use.
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jivjov posted:Yes, it's explicitly called Luke's ("and his father's before him"), and it looks nothing like any lightsaber we see Kenobi use. We see Kenobi use that very lightsaber in Mood Eisley Cantina dont we?
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greatn posted:We see Kenobi use that very lightsaber in Mood Eisley Cantina dont we? No? He uses his own lightsaber, he's already given Anakin's to Luke at that point.
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greatn posted:We see Kenobi use that very lightsaber in Mood Eisley Cantina dont we? the saber maz has is explicitly anakin's both as a prop and in the story
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Has there ever been a character with an orange coloured light sabre?
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Waffles Inc. posted:the saber maz has is explicitly anakin's both as a prop and in the story Yeah Obi Wan took it from Anakins burning corpse and had it for 19 years though. Probably longer than Anakin ever had it, definitely longer than Luke greatn fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Jan 8, 2016 |
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Cnut the Great posted:The best thing about Dex's Diner is the music playing in the background: LMAO this is the most pathetic lazy scoring I have ever heard. Literally just 12-bar blues progression on a farty synth. Joseph Williams wtf. The prequels truly are garbage.
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corn in the fridge posted:Has there ever been a character with an orange coloured light sabre? Not in canon, but legends had a couple. I think Reven's canonical lightsaber was either Orange, or paired orange and light blue dual wielded.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:LMAO this is the most pathetic lazy scoring I have ever heard. Literally just 12-bar blues progression on a farty synth. Joseph Williams wtf. Dude it's like a 2 minute scene.
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corn in the fridge posted:Has there ever been a character with an orange coloured light sabre? Darth Reamsicle
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https://www.change.org/p/disney-lucasfilm-kathleen-kennedy-george-lucas-back-to-the-star-wars-movies We've almost done it reddit
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I'm really enjoying the reappraisal of Lucas's work that has happened in the past few weeks, but I wish it arose out of something more tangible and lasting than nerdpinions.
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wait people like greg lucas again? jesus christ you nerds
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I think fonder on the prequels now that it directly led to true art.
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I always wondered what happened to Obi WANs light saber . Probably blown up in the first laser moon.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:LMAO this is the most pathetic lazy scoring I have ever heard. Literally just 12-bar blues progression on a farty synth. Joseph Williams wtf. yeah, seriously. they could have at least mixed it up a little bit. i get that they wanted "the 50's, except with aliens" but a 12 bar is literally zero effort.
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Also in honor of the movie opening in China here is the official Chinese promotional song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1V14s66a0 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-star-wars-force-852823
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euphronius posted:I always wondered what happened to Obi WANs light saber . Vader probably took it but I guess its pretty likely it was destroyed. I'd think the main two options would be for Vader to have it on one of the Death Stars, or on his Star Destroyer. So in either scenario it ends up as space debris.
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e: My reading skills are bad
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I can't wait for the next special edition where they add a scene with Vader mournfully staring at Obi-wan's lightsaber.
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I liked the fan theory that Rey is Obi-Wan's hidden daughter, but after thinking about it, I think I'm going to guess that Rey is a clone of Anakin Skywalker, or Vader's remains. Rey is the young, powerful heir to Vader's place within the force, who will bring balance, according to The Prophecy. Snoke is another clone of Vader, who's close, but not as powerful, or as perfect - and likely abused himself in frustration, or possibly to resemble Vader's physical form:  Kylo Ren struggles to be closer to Vader, as he's a blood relative, and not a clone. The First Order has somehow acquired Vader's remains, and Ren worships it. Rey was probably recovered/rescued by someone (Max Von Sydow? He pretended to leave her, but actually remained nearby to keep an eye on her.), and deposited on Jakku, hoping that stashing her there would prevent her from ever becoming a Sith. This makes sense to leave her on Jakku, along with remnants of the dead Empire. This fits the First Order's theme of "we weren't actually Imperial, but we want to be powerful and rule things, so we'll spruce up whatever failed ideas the Empire had" - building a bigger Death Star in Starkiller, improved Star Destroyers/Stormtroopers, and now, bringing back Darth Vader the only way they knew how: cloning. Red fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Jan 8, 2016 |
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I dunno about Snoke being something to do with Vader so closely. How would he even know what Vader looks like? I think the scars being similar is just a false clue to throw people off. I don't think the guy is going to be Darth Plagueis either, that's way too much expanded universe and not really close to the original series mimickery their going for.
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Snoke is also an alien. Cloning does not recreate someone when they're all scarred up.
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hemale in pain posted:I dunno about Snoke being something to do with Vader so closely. How would he even know what Vader looks like? I think the scars being similar is just a false clue to throw people off. I don't think the guy is going to be Darth Plagueis either, that's way too much expanded universe and not really close to the original series mimickery their going for. Plagueis is mentioned in the prequels at least once, possibly a few times. So if they aren't completely disowning the prequels, its a possibility. The whole thing between Plagueis and Palpatine is told in much more detail in the EU, but its not like Plagueis doesn't exist at all in the films.
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He didn't look particularly alien, just kind of hosed up and dessicated. I don't think he's a clone of Vader, though I think there is a remote possibility he is actually the burnt remains of Vader that just got the gently caress up outta the bonfire and walked away, animated by the dark side of the force of the emperors ghost or something. greatn fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jan 8, 2016 |
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hemale in pain posted:Dude it's like a 2 minute scene. statement still stands though
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Yeah, it's cloning, not photocopying. Also, for proof the prequels weren't good, what was that black guys name who guarded the princess? He had way more screen time than Poe and was way less memorable. In fact, in all the dumb fan fantasy of who Finn's father could be, the only two people to come up, because they're the only to black people that come to (most) peoples minds when they think of Star Wars are mace and Lando.
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rear end Catchcum posted:Yeah, it's cloning, not photocopying. Captain Tanaka. I promise I knew that from memory
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