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Subterfrugal posted:Random-weird rear end thought: Would a pissed off bird-watcher have standing to ask a court to order the feds to resolve the situation and reopen the park? That seems to be the case. http://news.groopspeak.com/the-oregon-militia-is-about-to-be-taken-down-by-birders/
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As a Millennial I posted:You're doing the Lord's work. Much like this guy here, in my favorite thread on their facebook page This is what happens when you have an entire wing of the media and a political party constantly saying you are oppressed but in actuality you aren't. They "know" that they are getting screwed constantly but really can't express how.
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As a Millennial I posted:Re: that "redress of grievances" thing they keep mentioning, AFAICT it's yet another set of magic words from the Constitution that they latched onto as a way of weaseling out of obeying the law: Accio Wildlife Refuge! Killer-of-Lawyers posted:That poor biologist got a degree at a university and is using it on government pay to try and clean up an invasive carp infestation so these rear end in a top hat ranchers and their children can enjoy fishing for decades to come in lakes and streams in the rear end end of nowhere. When this is over, I want to send Carpe Carp lady a card and possibly some Febreeze c/o the Wildlife Refuge if it's still standing.
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Yeah, after its all done I'd like to read more about the fishery plans to remove the carp and make fertilizer. Carp lady needs to get a chance to use this to shed some of the national attention on invasive water species.
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Jan 8, 2016 14:19
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Astrofig posted:Also, I'd like to see an example of said snack memes. 
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:Accio Wildlife Refuge! Of course it will still be standing. They wouldnt burn down their own occupied territory. The tarp can only hold so many snacks.
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Jan 8, 2016 14:44
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General_Disturbed posted:You can see some of that on Pete Santilli's stream with him standing around in the dark shining his camera light on the heavy equipment and occasionally stopping to go "WHAT WAS THAT" and stare fearfully out into the darkness as if the FBI is behind every bush. This sounds a shitload like every ghost hunting show ever. Glad to see they're full of bullshit like i suspected Everyone's heard of the Blair Witch Project. Well this is the Oregon Feds Project
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LeoMarr posted:Of course it will still be standing. They wouldnt burn down their own occupied territory. The tarp can only hold so many snacks. Depends, they might burn it out of spite on their way out when they eventually surrender or leave.
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SocketWrench posted:This sounds a shitload like every ghost hunting show ever. Glad to see they're full of bullshit like i suspected I wouldn't be surprised if there was a decent amount of overlap.
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Jan 8, 2016 15:03
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The Insect Court posted:Isn't "white male gun nut" largely cognate with the hillbilly demographic? Were you traumatized by seeing Deliverance as a child, or do you have an actual reason to be "afraid of hillbillies"? 1. They rape kids and animals 2. They would kill a man (or anyone else) for meth 3. Trigger-happy nutjobs
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The Insect Court posted:Isn't "white male gun nut" largely cognate with the hillbilly demographic? Were you traumatized by seeing Deliverance as a child, or do you have an actual reason to be "afraid of hillbillies"? I like some of their music but they make me a little nervous in person
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Real hillbillies tend to be too poor to be much of a threat to anyone. The ones people are talking about ITT are just rural consevatives who storm about in cowboy hats and belt buckles yelling about Obama.
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Jan 8, 2016 15:32
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Condiv posted:why can't they arrest them while they're in town away from the others? that chips em away too the ones going to get supplies might very well not be guilty of breaking any real laws? the only people who have done anything more than basic protesting are the handful who have talked about shooting back if the government comes in, and I doubt those guys are the ones going into town they're too busy hiding under their tarps
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theflyingorc posted:the ones going to get supplies might very well not be guilty of breaking any real laws? Trespassing, breaking and entering.
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theflyingorc posted:the ones going to get supplies might very well not be guilty of breaking any real laws? the only people who have done anything more than basic protesting are the handful who have talked about shooting back if the government comes in, and I doubt those guys are the ones going into town Isn't helping and providing aid to people committing a crime, itself a crime?
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theflyingorc posted:the ones going to get supplies might very well not be guilty of breaking any real laws? the only people who have done anything more than basic protesting are the handful who have talked about shooting back if the government comes in, and I doubt those guys are the ones going into town Conspiracy to commit, if nothing else.
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If they think they'll get arrested when they leave, they'll stay there instead of wandering off and getting drunk on the donation money.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Conspiracy to commit, if nothing else. I should have been clearer, by "real laws" I meant "serious offenses worthy of being arrested on sight", I'll admit I worded it stupidly
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Jan 8, 2016 16:47
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i'm the liberal goon in d&d getting increasingly agitated as to why the police are not raiding/arresting peaceful protesters
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Jan 8, 2016 16:48
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i'm the liberal goon in d&d getting increasingly agitated as to why the police are not raiding/arresting peaceful protesters the only significant difference between these guys and other protesters is that they made vague threats towards the authorities. which is apparently a good reason to perform a risky raid on the building?
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Jan 8, 2016 16:54
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I don't think its a good idea to raid, and it really isn't necessary. I am pissed, however, that they haven't found a way to cut off power and stop them from getting food/supplies.
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theflyingorc posted:the only significant difference between these guys and other protesters is that they made vague threats towards the authorities. which is apparently a good reason to perform a risky raid on the building? If they are peaceful, how would the raid be risky?
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theflyingorc posted:the only significant difference between these guys and other protesters is that they made vague threats towards the authorities. which is apparently a good reason to perform a risky raid on the building? I wouldn't call "I expect to die" and "We plan to retaliate if provoked" vague. And then showing up with your personal arsenal very vague. But again, most of us are not asking for a raid, but a blockade.
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Jan 8, 2016 16:58
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FFS guys, the FBI JUST got off holidays. They need about a week or two to get back into the swing of things and work off all that extra holiday turkey.
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cunny mcalister posted:If they are peaceful, how would the raid be risky? do you think people exist in a constant state of violence or something "sarge, we're going to breach and clear the elemental plane of police resistance, watch your corners" CommieGIR posted:But again, most of us are not asking for a raid, but a blockade. yeah let's take the guys who desperately want to be boxed in and feel like the government is attacking them, and box them in, and point some cameras at them. and give them a mic. excellent plan. you should call the FBI about this plan i'm sure they'll promote you
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cunny mcalister posted:If they are peaceful, how would the raid be risky? whoops, looks like I didn't use the word "peaceful"? They're douchebags, probably should serve some jail time for this, but the top priority is limiting loss of human life, because nothing they're doing is worth putting a federal agent at risk! 
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Popular Thug Drink posted:do you think people exist in a constant state of violence or something ONS was peaceful, yet the law enforcement were able to do things with them, including arresting people within the protests, without fear of reprisal. I'm saying that the armed factor is more serious of an issue than your side of the discussion believes. I get mocked for being afraid of the rednecks, but the FBI is literally scared to act on them and their position is the ideal in your mind.
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cunny mcalister posted:ONS was peaceful, yet the law enforcement were able to do things with them, including arresting people within the protests, without fear of reprisal. I'm saying that the armed factor is more serious of an issue than your side of the discussion believes. I get mocked for being afraid of the rednecks, but the FBI is literally scared to act on them and their position is the ideal in your mind. "scared" and "careful" are not the same thing. the FBI should not risk lives over a situation where nobody is in danger. like it or not, level of risk is often a consideration in law enforcement
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cunny mcalister posted:ONS was peaceful, yet the law enforcement were able to do things with them, including arresting people within the protests, without fear of reprisal. the vast majority of OWS protests were ignored until they went away cunny mcalister posted:I get mocked for being afraid of the rednecks, but the FBI is literally scared to act on them and their position is the ideal in your mind. there's a big difference between being scared and being patient, i dunno if we can have a productive conversation if you intepret everything through a lens of fear refusing to take these guys seriously while they demand a dramatic standoff is a perfectly valid way of defusing the situation even if it does personally bother you
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Popular Thug Drink posted:yeah let's take the guys who desperately want to be boxed in and feel like the government is attacking them, and box them in, and point some cameras at them. and give them a mic. excellent plan. you should call the FBI about this plan i'm sure they'll promote you Was not aware blockades involved 'boxing people in' and not sure what blockading has to do with cameras and mic's on the part of the FBI but good job champ.
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A friend shared this on Facebook: http://grist.org/politics/one-of-the-angry-ranchers-complaints-might-make-more-sense-than-you-think/ My TL;DR take is that they built a lifestyle around privileges from the the government and don't want the privileges to end (the only moral gubmint assurance is my gubmint assurance, after all), but maybe I'm missing something.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:the vast majority of OWS protests were ignored until they went away Arguing in bad faith confirmed (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Has anything interesting happened in the last two dozen pages, or are we still just arguing over whether or not the militia should all be killed?
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Wanamingo posted:Has anything interesting happened in the last two dozen pages, or are we still just arguing over whether or not the militia should all be killed? One of the militia guys ran off with donation money and drank booze; I think that was in the last two dozen pages.
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The past few pages has been Popular Thug Drink arguing that everyone here thinks that the militia should all be killed.
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theflyingorc posted:"scared" and "careful" are not the same thing. the FBI should not risk lives over a situation where nobody is in danger. like it or not, level of risk is often a consideration in law enforcement Cops will pull you over for speeding and have their pistol at the ready. Now shift the goalposts to federal agents and we can discuss the importance of armored DEA raids and the risk there. I feel this is a partisan situation where the only reason it is allowed to happen is because its the standard white man. Ammon, though not officially charged with anything, is a known associate of a man that led a previous standoff against the feds. Shouldn't they have been keeping track of him and preventing the situation from even happening? It's not like they had to infiltrate him like other groups, he posted in public his exact plan. The inaction from the ranch standoff clearly only emboldened them, as their dumbasses thought the entire country was with them to the point they didn't think to pack food. I'm not saying storm the place guns blazing. I'm saying stop letting people back in. I'm asking why this was even allowed to happen in the first place. The sheriff has had several meetings with Ammon and yet there was no opportunity to escort him out of town?
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Popular Thug Drink posted:do you think people exist in a constant state of violence or something These particular people do, because they are gun-crazy inbreds.
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prefect posted:One of the militia guys ran off with donation money and drank booze; I think that was in the last two dozen pages. And the stolen valor guy with the tattooed eyelids has also fled in shame. I love it
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As a Millennial I posted:And the stolen valor guy with the tattooed eyelids has also fled in shame. I love it That guy was the best. --- When our reporter asked about accessing the refuge building, he barked: 'No that's logistical security issues that we can't have happen, head count can't be divulged for security purposes.' --- 'Now we are at a cross hair where my men and photographs of aerial reconnaissance or photography is now putting people's lives in jeopardy and I will be upset,' he said, adding: 'I don't know what the hell could happen, they could be out there with snipers and not know who you are.' --- Outside the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge on Monday one brave reporter asked Cavalier whether two symbols tattooed on his eye-lids were swastikas. Cavalier snapped: 'No they are Chinese symbols for GAME OVER, so when I'm dead people know it's game over.' --- When Daily Mail Online confronted Cavalier over his Marine fabrication he seemed nervous and the bravado of previous days vanished. 'That's unfortunate that someone would say that,' he said, refusing to deny the claim. When asked if our information was wrong, he responded: 'I'm not commenting on anything, I told you what it is.' Cavalier asked who our source was and when told the US Marine Corp (USMC) had confirmed he was never a Marine, he said: 'That's unfortunate they would say that. It is what it is.' When it was pointed out to Cavalier that people might be upset once they discover his lie, he added: 'Hey you've got a job to do and I've got a job to do.' ---
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