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verbal enema posted:Never heard of this. Tell me more. Look up the Social War. The Italian states were sick of being under de facto Roman hegemony without getting any of the benefits of citizenship. Going to war under the Roman eagle and then getting an unfairly small share of the spoils was a particular sticking point. Turns out not paying your army is always a bad idea.
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sullat posted:The Social War is not one of the more popular ones, since the Romans won it by conceding to their opponent's demands. Basically, Roman citizens got preference in just about everything; land ownership, legal disputes, etc. The Italian "allies" were pissed, and so they rebelled. Rome did an OK job of crushing them, but probably realized they needed more dudes to get the world conquest thing going, so they granted citizenship to all the Italians. Specifically it was that Mithradates was causing major amounts of trouble in the east, including issuing an order to have all Romans in Asia Minor killed in the Asiatic Vespers. The presence of an external threat swayed the Senate and they gave in instead of taking years to defeat the allies in a war of attrition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiatic_Vespers
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This is also happening in the context of the Latifundia: the displacement of small hold farmers by large estates. If Roman citizens are so hard up for land that they're going to demand wars of conquest and eventually blow up the government anyway, imagine how bad it was for non citizens. So this is not just unfair treatment of the Italian Allies, it's unfair treatment of the Allies in the context of wealth disparity that will destroy the Roman government within two generations. Also the senator who was trying to introduce these reforms peacefully was murdered by conservatives, so that tends to put an end to peaceful discussion.
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Star Man posted:The medical procedure that I was given birth with is named after a guy that got stabbed by thirteen people. Sounds about right. Between Suetonius, Plutarch, and Nicolaus, the crowd of assassins is numbered between 60 to 80, and the wounds from 23 to 35. Where's thirteen from?
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Did Roman toilets and garum improve sanitation? Maybe not so much (the headline in the link is pretty declarative, but I'm gong to stick with maybe): http://popular-archaeology.com/issue/june-2013/article/ancient-roman-toilets-did-not-improve-sanitation
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Star Man posted:The medical procedure that I was given birth with is named after a guy that got stabbed by thirteen people. Sounds about right. Not exactly. It's possible that he got his cognomen from one of his ancestors being delivered by C-section, but even that is debatable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesarean_section#Etymology Incidentally, Caesar himself apparently preferred to interpret his name as deriving from an ancestor who killed an elephant. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Jan 8, 2016 |
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Otteration posted:Did Roman toilets and garum improve sanitation? Maybe not so much (the headline in the link is pretty declarative, but I'm gong to stick with maybe): When people are making GBS threads in a designated area separate from the drinking water supply and widespread public exposure that's probably going to improve sanitation.
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Sleep of Bronze posted:Between Suetonius, Plutarch, and Nicolaus, the crowd of assassins is numbered between 60 to 80, and the wounds from 23 to 35. Where's thirteen from? Shakespeare
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FAUXTON posted:When people are making GBS threads in a designated area separate from the drinking water supply and widespread public exposure that's probably going to improve sanitation. The article mentions that the Romans liked to use human poo poo as fertilizer, so they're literally dumping poo poo in the food supply.
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OwlFancier posted:The article mentions that the Romans liked to use human poo poo as fertilizer, so they're literally dumping poo poo in the food supply. Sure, but there's a few steps between points a and b.
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Sleep of Bronze posted:Between Suetonius, Plutarch, and Nicolaus, the crowd of assassins is numbered between 60 to 80, and the wounds from 23 to 35. Where's thirteen from? I don't remember where I got that number. Oh wait, duh. Shakespeare.
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OwlFancier posted:The article mentions that the Romans liked to use human poo poo as fertilizer, so they're literally dumping poo poo in the food supply. Night Soil is a pretty common fertilizer, yes. Sorry to gross you out.
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OwlFancier posted:The article mentions that the Romans liked to use human poo poo as fertilizer, so they're literally dumping poo poo in the food supply. They aren't dumping poo poo on the harvested grain, yo. You do understand that manure is still a broadly-used fertilizer practically everywhere? Everybody poops, that poop often contains what plants crave, so you throw it in the dirt and the plants get bigger. Dropping a deuce on your Carthago Delendam garden is free and makes it grow more grain and stuff.
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FAUXTON posted:They aren't dumping poo poo on the harvested grain, yo. You do understand that manure is still a broadly-used fertilizer practically everywhere? Everybody poops, that poop often contains what plants crave, so you throw it in the dirt and the plants get bigger. Dropping a deuce on your Carthago Delendam garden is free and makes it grow more grain and stuff. sullat posted:Night Soil is a pretty common fertilizer, yes. Sorry to gross you out. Not fresh poo poo it isn't, that's bad practice and a good way to give everyone parasites. You're supposed to let it compost first.
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FAUXTON posted:... your Carthago Delendam garden. .. 
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FAUXTON posted:They aren't dumping poo poo on the harvested grain, yo. You do understand that manure is still a broadly-used fertilizer practically everywhere? Everybody poops, that poop often contains what plants crave, so you throw it in the dirt and the plants get bigger. Dropping a deuce on your Carthago Delendam garden is free and makes it grow more grain and stuff. It's not that easy. Cow poo poo contains diseases that infect cows, human poo poo contains diseases that infect humans. You have to be very careful with harvesting time after fertilizing with human poo poo, not so much if you use literally any other animals poop. OwlFancier posted:Not fresh poo poo it isn't, that's bad practice and a good way to give everyone parasites. You're supposed to let it compost first. Witness this Hep A outbreak earlier in 2015 that ended with a lot more than the quoted 9 people getting hepatitis. The cause was fertilizing with human poo poo just before harvesting. Also, don't buy food from China unless you like living dangerously.
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Nightsoil, or human excrement as fertilizer, is a high-risk high-reward kind of thing. On the one hand, you might literally not have enough cow/horse poo poo to fertilize all your land and need a supplement of some sort. It will increase your yield. It also might make you really sick or kill you eventually because your bacteria are still in the food at the end. It's a gamble. People back then knew it was a gamble, even if they didn't understand germ theory.
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I have nothing constructive to add except that "nightsoil" is a wonderful euphemism.
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I am also fond of the term "gong farmer".
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I remember a poster here that was doing archivist stuff where they had some documents relating to Irish farmers and the Catholic church. If you are still around is there any way to contact you to talk about it? I have a friend that is doing his masters in Irish studies and was really interred in talking to you.
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ughhhh posted:I remember a poster here that was doing archivist stuff where they had some documents relating to Irish farmers and the Catholic church. If you are still around is there any way to contact you to talk about it? I have a friend that is doing his masters in Irish studies and was really interred in talking to you. That would be oberleutnant.
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And he hangs out in UKMT when he isn't probated.
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What's the curriculum of the master in Irish studies? 
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A Treatise On the Preparation of the Noble Potato
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JaucheCharly posted:What's the curriculum of the master in Irish studies? Literally blowing a london taxi up.
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FAUXTON posted:Literally blowing a london taxi up. No, that's the thesis defense.
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Thesis defense is a bareknuckle fight over 5 rounds with the traveller guest lector.
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This is where Octavian got his skeletons, right?
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Mary Beard's SPQR was good. Got some more good book titles that you could throw at me?
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Star Man posted:The medical procedure that I was given birth with is named after a guy that got stabbed by thirteen people. Sounds about right. Mothers are the original rubicon
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JaucheCharly posted:Mary Beard's SPQR was good. Got some more good book titles that you could throw at me? The Landmark series.
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Can you give me an exact title? Search is just turning up lots of landmarks in Rome or travelling guides.
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JaucheCharly posted:Can you give me an exact title? Search is just turning up lots of landmarks in Rome or travelling guides. this is the thucydides i read in undergrad, for instance http://www.amazon.com/The-Landmark-Thucydides-Comprehensive-Peloponnesian/dp/0684827905 they look good, the translations are good, and (most importantly) they've got maps
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HEY GAL posted:it's a series of certain editions/english translations of classical works ...and I already have all these works.
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HEY GAL posted:it's a series of certain editions/english translations of classical works These are really good and they have to hurry up with their edition of Caesar. 
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JaucheCharly posted:...and I already have all these works. But do they have kick rear end maps? And great appendixes. Appendices? Extra bits.
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the JJ posted:But do they have kick rear end maps? And great appendixes. Appendices? wouldn't he be more likely to look for those in his native language tho
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I know exactly what you are planning: I don't need more books in rambling 19th century german.
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JaucheCharly posted:I know exactly what you are planning: I don't need more books in rambling 19th century german. Correction: you don't want them. Everyone needs them.
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