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In my search for more laffs I just keep stumbling on stuff related to this stupid argument. Now there's this article quoting DHS analysis, a poli sci professor, a BLM ranger, all agreeing that the Bundys took 2014 as a victory and see themselves (correctly?) as being above the law.
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As a Millennial I posted:In my search for more laffs I just keep stumbling on stuff related to this stupid argument. Now there's this article quoting DHS analysis, a poli sci professor, a BLM ranger, all agreeing that the Bundys took 2014 as a victory and see themselves (correctly?) as being above the law. Yeah that's pretty clear. They got away with it and now they have a playbook for how to do more. Anyone want to start a betting pool on when/where the next "protest" will take place?
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Jan 8, 2016 21:17
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SquadronROE posted:
He doesn't appear to have a front sight or an optic on his rifle. 
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sparatuvs posted:New photos from inside and around the compound
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As a Millennial I posted:In my search for more laffs I just keep stumbling on stuff related to this stupid argument. Now there's this article quoting DHS analysis, a poli sci professor, a BLM ranger, all agreeing that the Bundys took 2014 as a victory and see themselves (correctly?) as being above the law. agreed, but a failure to press charges doesn't indicate preferential treatment or a lax precedent. for all we know they just weren't able to scrape together a case that would hold up in court - generally the feds prefer to press charges when they have a reasonable certainty of getting a conviction, especially concerning the optics of the feds losing a court case against people who think the court system is already wizard poo poo
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Oregon militants brawl as friends beg them to go home: ‘You’re surrounded by informants’ http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/oregon-militants-brawl-as-friends-beg-them-to-go-home-youre-surrounded-by-informants/
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Jan 8, 2016 21:22
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Read backwards, of course: If it weren't for poor Carp Lady, I'd hope this would never end.
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Crain posted:Yeah that's pretty clear. if they get away with this. which i somewhat doubt. i could see them taking hostages next time. or shooting up a goverment office in the sticks somewhere and then taking the survivors hostage.
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Jan 8, 2016 21:28
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As a Millennial I posted:I wish the conversation had gone on longer, I really want to know where he was going with Earth's true names.
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Jan 8, 2016 21:31
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honestly, I am starting to believe they may end up killing each other.
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As a Millennial I posted:Read backwards, of course: ok, i can't decide if this is sadder for the feds or the militia bros the feds haven't stopped the regular garbage pickup, but of course the militia aren't intimidating enough to scare off the garbage truck
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Dapper_Swindler posted:if they get away with this. which i somewhat doubt. i could see them taking hostages next time. or shooting up a goverment office in the sticks somewhere and then taking the survivors hostage.
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Nessus posted:I think they probably do have the advantage of being treated very carefully because nobody wants another Waco/Ruby Ridge, but this would evaporate quickly if they killed live humans or took hostages. They would still probably get treated much more moderately than an equivalent portion of black protestors but they would in fact be apprehended. maybe. But i think these dumbfucks are deluded enough to do it.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:if they get away with this. which i somewhat doubt. i could see them taking hostages next time. or shooting up a goverment office in the sticks somewhere and then taking the survivors hostage. Compared to the Cliven Bundy standoff this is massivesly smaller scale (and also recieving much less popular support.) This would appear to be the opposite direction from what you are suggesting.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:agreed, but a failure to press charges doesn't indicate preferential treatment or a lax precedent. for all we know they just weren't able to scrape together a case that would hold up in court - generally the feds prefer to press charges when they have a reasonable certainty of getting a conviction, especially concerning the optics of the feds losing a court case against people who think the court system is already wizard poo poo Not only did the loving federal government agree to release the cattle that were illegally grazing on federal land, but as of the end of 2015, he was still having his loving cattle graze illegally. On top of that, he was never arrested (because of the standoff). So, really the BLM had a really reasonable loving case and they tried to carry it out but these militia fucks got in the way so now we're all pissed off that the government seems to be letting these fuckers get away with it.
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OFFICE FURNITURE AND JIF SECURE, SIR!
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Dapper_Swindler posted:maybe. But i think these dumbfucks are deluded enough to do it. I don't see it. I don't think they're evil, just simple-minded, naive, selfish people whining about being oppressed for their lifestyle choices. At the Nevada standoff they kicked out the couple of people who did go on to commit some random shooting somewhere.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:OFFICE FURNITURE AND JIF SECURE, SIR! Peanut butter lid resecured: sticky situation avoided.
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 The one in the middle looks like hes just a stupid kid. Actually kind of feel bad for him, knowing that because of this he'll go down as a wingnut. Something something the true radicalized youth
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Just by watching interviews with Bundy I think that he's too mentally deep into this to surrender. He's beyond rationality's reach. To pull him out of it would crush him, like a stack of cards, checkmate.
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On second thought...quote:If the sheriff violates his oath of office, as determined by the right-wing extremists themselves, “he shall be removed by the posse to the most populated intersection of streets in the township and at high noon be hung by the neck, the body remaining until sundown as an example to those who would subvert the law.” That still fits in with my impression - they'll only kill people if they can defend doing so by some interpretation of the Constitution.
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Jan 8, 2016 22:00
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As a Millennial I posted:On second thought... They also want to arrest a local Democrat for agreeing with the Iran Nuclear Deal. So, yeah, they'll make up whatever reasons they want.
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Jan 8, 2016 22:02
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mcclay posted:
I want to know what they plan on doing with all those potatoes. I doubt any of them thought far enough ahead to bring a masher, peeler, or deep fryer, and man can't live on plain baked potatoes forever. I don't know why but I seem to be obsessed with their food situation.
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Ninkobei posted:Just by watching interviews with Bundy I think that he's too mentally deep into this to surrender. He's beyond rationality's reach. To pull him out of it would crush him, like a stack of cards, checkmate. Nothing about this has suggested a well-organized operation with a coherent plan and end goal. "gently caress the fed, yeehaw!" seems to be the sum total of the planning process here. As a Millennial I posted:On second thought... I've said before: they only like and support sheriffs as long as the sheriffs agree with them. It's just more far-right fascist garbage given a veneer of populism.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:I want to know what they plan on doing with all those potatoes. I doubt any of them thought far enough ahead to bring a masher, peeler, or deep fryer, and man can't live on plain baked potatoes forever. Obviously they will plant them in their own poo poo to hold out for a rescue mission.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:I want to know what they plan on doing with all those potatoes. I doubt any of them thought far enough ahead to bring a masher, peeler, or deep fryer, and man can't live on plain baked potatoes forever. They won't have stuff to make those be amazing but another method.
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Jan 8, 2016 22:04
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As a Millennial I posted:On second thought... No see, no crimes committed, they pose no threat to anyone, just let them do as they want and eventually they'll go home and BLM workers can return to their workplace if it's still inhabitible. Repeat as needed every time they pull something like this.
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CommieGIR posted:Obviously they will plant them in their own poo poo to hold out for a rescue mission. Unfortunately, after a tragic breach in their tarp they will lose the entire crop.
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Lotka Volterra posted:Unfortunately, after a tragic breach in their tarp they will lose the entire crop. thats a pretty pro reference
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Lotka Volterra posted:Unfortunately, after a tragic breach in their tarp they will lose the entire crop. Rationing is their only hope. They are going to have to Free the poo poo out of this.
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Doctor Butts posted:Not only did the loving federal government agree to release the cattle that were illegally grazing on federal land, but as of the end of 2015, he was still having his loving cattle graze illegally. On top of that, he was never arrested (because of the standoff). I was reading up on the original case and there apparently hasn't been any movement at all in the federal court system in over 2 years. BLM still has the original court order/warrant/whatever to go seize Bundy's cattle to settle the government debt but has made no attempts to do so, and there are no records of any attempts at filing a lien or any other standard methods of enforcing the monetary judgement and asset forfeiture. It's just kind of embarrassing.
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That article also includes the actual origin of the "redress of grievances" meme:quote:The Continental Congress in 1774 sent a list of demands, called the Declaration of Rights and Grievances, to King George III — and the Bundy family and their backers sent a “notice (for) redress of grievances” Dec. 11 to several Oregon and Harney County officials challenging their authority in the Hammond case.
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theflyingorc posted:thats a pretty pro reference Think the credit belongs to CommieGIR for that one.  CommieGIR posted:Rationing is their only hope. They are going to have to Free the poo poo out of this. Now I want to see The Martian starring an anti-government redneck.
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CommieGIR posted:Rationing is their only hope. They are going to have to Free the poo poo out of this. Pray you never learn just how good it can be to see another face.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:
I demand to have proof Ammon Bundy was at the 2014 standoff and broke the law! Watches video of Ammon Bundy breaking the law at the 2014 standoff. I demand to see Ammon Bundy committing other crimes I deem sufficiently serious at the 2014 standoff! Give it up guy.
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Thought experiment: Say you were the feds and wanted to blockade the compound while waiting them out. 1) You would require at least 2 people stationed on the road. But because of the sick nasty snyper tower, its gotta be far enough away to be outta sight or have cover against it. 2) The whole area is a gently caress of a lotta land. How many mobile patrols and static posts would you need to keep the area locked down? For the sake of arguement 3 static posts in the other cardinal directions, 2 mobile patrols to handle the breaks and lunches. Each of these should be in teams of two for basic safety. We are at 12 people working that. Equal to the ammount of folks inside that building. 3) it is flat-rear end cold out there. So our boys in blue would need heaters and a regular fuel source. That requires a logistics team to ferry fuel, food, and radio batteries to these guys. Another vehicle, another two bodies. 4) you want 24hr survalience? Well, take those twelve people. That one shift. Swing and mid poo poo balloons it up to 36 people. 5) Burns sherif department does not employ 36 people to provide for Yihawdist watch. Those folks will have to be shipped in. Probably federal folks, cuz fuuuuuck if a small township can pay for that many man hours. The logistics involved in locking the spot down is horrifically expensive for what you are trying to achieve. But eh, would result in some sweet OT and Per Diem.
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Lotka Volterra posted:Now I want to see The Martian starring an anti-government redneck. It'd be over pretty quick as the fucker gets himself killed.
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SquadronROE posted:
That jar of peanut butter is suspected of being an informant. Wait, is that a plastic toy skull? Is David Aruni there? http://usuncut.com/news/oregon-militia-descends-into-fist-fights-chaos/ I think the feds should go in and arrest them before they start shooting each other.
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Wrap it up guys, Y'all Queda actually figured it out. The gubbermint won't do poo poo cause it cost money!
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Kazak_Hstan posted:I demand to have proof Ammon Bundy was at the 2014 standoff and broke the law! Watches video of Ammon Bundy breaking the law at the 2014 standoff. I demand to see Ammon Bundy committing other crimes I deem sufficiently serious at the 2014 standoff! yeah, i can see how this guy should have been on some kind of terrorist watchlist, what with him allegedly kicking a police dog and all
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