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Just saw the movie again tonight, and my friend's theory on Rey's parents is that they sold her off so they could leave Jakku.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Actually, my stronger stance does disprove your unsupported assertions. genola posted:Just saw the movie again tonight, and my friend's theory on Rey's parents is that they sold her off so they could leave Jakku.
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Jan 9, 2016 09:27
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Neurolimal posted:It's additionally befuddling because you'll find few people in this thread that will claim that the PT had zero nice shots. The issue comes from the fact that films are to be watched and heard, not screenshotted, and it is in this action that many viewers find the PT wanting. Can you post a single example of what you are talking about.
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Jan 9, 2016 09:27
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Light sabres make the coolest noises
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Jan 9, 2016 10:05
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if I buy the Star Wars saga on blu ray that includes the prequels, it better be a lower price than buying just the originals
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Jan 9, 2016 10:20
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I bought the whole thing on blue ray with 3 bonus discs of special features for £50, which is good value itpo
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Jan 9, 2016 12:26
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Can you post a single example of what you are talking about. "I hate sand"
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Jan 9, 2016 12:26
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Pfft the actual line was "I don't like sand" which is clearly flawless
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Jan 9, 2016 12:30
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Actually what he's really talking about when he says "i don't like sand" is his hatred of conformity as each grain of sand represents individuality, each one indistinguishable from the other please refer to these texts from an obscure french philosopher for further proof
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Jan 9, 2016 12:33
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Please don't be so hostile. These are ideas that are worthy of consideration and acceptance. There is no need for derision and dismissal.
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Jan 9, 2016 12:44
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No. Give in to your anger. It makes you stronger. Gives you focus.
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Jan 9, 2016 12:48
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Lt. Danger posted:Please don't be so hostile. These are ideas that are worthy of consideration and acceptance. There is no need for derision and dismissal. Ideas in the movie being good and the movie being trash are not mutually exclusive. e: In fact the movies are EXTRA bad because they have solid ideas behind them but they are completely wasted on tell-don't-show storytelling and painfully bad characterization and dialogue. HoboMan fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Jan 9, 2016 |
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Jan 9, 2016 12:57
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Lt. Danger posted:Please don't be so hostile. These are ideas that are worthy of consideration and acceptance. There is no need for derision and dismissal. From your point of view, the Jedi are evil!
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Jan 9, 2016 12:58
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Beefstew posted:From your point of view, the Jedi are evil! From a certain point of view.
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Jan 9, 2016 13:02
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corn in the fridge posted:I bought the whole thing on blue ray with 3 bonus discs of special features for Ł50, which is good value itpo I might pick this up. Are the commentaries the same as the ones on the 2004 dvds?
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Jan 9, 2016 13:26
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I dunno wtf problem ppl have with the sand thing, he's right about sand. It's poo poo
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Jan 9, 2016 14:27
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Neurolimal posted:Obviously this is all personal opinion, and you will of course find aspects objectable. This does not make it any less correct or incorrect. The subjectivity of art is a feature, not a bug or theory or myth. To me, it's kinda hard for me to read your posts bcuz your writing style is like ur trying rly hard to seem like the smartest person in the room. It would be cool if you did less of that, so I could read more of your posts without doing a cringe and eventually skimming ☺
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Jan 9, 2016 14:30
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I saw the force awakens last night, however what I am curious to know is... How did Rey become so proficient in using the force in the film? Especially when compared to Luke or Anakin who both endured some kind of formal training in it?
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Jan 9, 2016 14:49
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It's more that fans had misunderstood the Star Wars films from the very beginning, and Lucas used the prequels to underline the vital parts of the OT that fans ignore. Actually the point of Obi Wan dying is that his character didn't have anything left to do in the movie, so Lucas thought it was better storytelling to kill him off (it was.) He would have been the guy explaining the Death Star run. The way in which he was killed off suggests that he was correct and Darth Vader was wrong. "Strike me down, and I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." Vader kills him and he disappears into the Force. As a mobile voice/ghost that has dissociated his being with his fleshly form, he is able to assist Luke anywhere, and is not bound to the body of an old man like Vader. Vader afterward is immediately stopped by closing blast doors, demonstrating this. Also do you honestly expect everyone watching the prequels to inherently understand that it's full of references to other movies from 50 years ago and infer what's going on just from that?
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Jan 9, 2016 14:56
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Raphisonfire posted:I saw the force awakens last night, however what I am curious to know is... How did Rey become so proficient in using the force in the film? Especially when compared to Luke or Anakin who both endured some kind of formal training in it? I think the prevailing theory is that she was taught sometime before being left on Jakku. That or bad pacing.
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Jan 9, 2016 14:57
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She didn't? She has some proficiency, but nowhere near as much as Anakin as a teenager, and Luke has about the same level of proficiency from a couple hours with Ben. Luke was immediately deflecting blaster shots blindfolded just from Ben saying let the force guide your actions, which is just what Rey did. The only things she did with the force were a mind trick which she tried over and over til it worked based on Hans telling her all the stories were true, and wielding a weapon her non force sensitive friend was also able to use just fine after she had been fighting with melee weapons her whole life.
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Jan 9, 2016 14:57
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She definitely came off as more powerful than Luke was right at the start, it wasn't really until later that he started doing more overt things till later on in the trilogy. Though that's also a feel thing, to me the shot at the end of ANH was gamechanging for the rebellion but came off as less space-magicy than the more overt force stuff. But that's just me. Anakin as a teenager actually had years of training, and you know the whole bullshit thing about being a space virgin birth.
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Jan 9, 2016 15:06
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Raphisonfire posted:I saw the force awakens last night, however what I am curious to know is... How did Rey become so proficient in using the force in the film? Especially when compared to Luke or Anakin who both endured some kind of formal training in it? She read Kylo Ren's mind during the interrogation.
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Jan 9, 2016 15:32
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Yea.. but then she wouldn't get to do any interesting jedi stuff. Feeling the force isn't very interesting viewing for an audience, doing poo poo with it is what makes it cool. You already get people confused about why she's a good pilot because it's not screaming "SHE'S A JEDI!" at you constantly.
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Jan 9, 2016 15:33
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BrianWilly posted:Where did the whole "Rey might be related to Obi-Wan" dumbness that I keep hearing about come from? It's dumb because she couldn't be his daughter considering she was born long after he died. Hell, even being his granddaughter is stretching the time-frame a lot. And if we're stretching the "secret family" thing to that absurd degree then she might as well just be Luke's daughter instead of trying to make it a convoluted descendant thing. It's because people don't want it to be the obvious solution, really. Her being related to the Skywalkers makes the most sense with what we know about her(though every theory has some things that don't quite fit), but people think with the foreshadowing and the fact that most of the main characters are already related in some way, it would be too obvious. To me, though, Rey has to have some reason for being so special, and her being related to the Skywalkers would make the most thematic sense and would fit in the most with the fact that the main "saga" movies are supposed to be about the Skywalkers.
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Jan 9, 2016 15:53
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The big hugs and 'old buddy' stuff is a massive contrast to Obiwan's interactions with the younger Anakin: Neurolimal posted:A general consensus that many critiques come to is "George Lucas is great at visually distinctive shots, but bad at writing dialogue, encouraging actors, and providing an engagung plot, all drawbacks that he can manage when reigned in, which he was not for the PT".
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Hat Thoughts posted:I dunno wtf problem ppl have with the sand thing, he's right about sand. It's poo poo Because it's a terrible pickup line, which is proof that Lucas had no idea what he was doing. Anakin is supposed to be a really cool and badass and awesome anti-hero. Right? Beeez posted:It's because people don't want it to be the obvious solution, really. Her being related to the Skywalkers makes the most sense with what we know about her(though every theory has some things that don't quite fit), but people think with the foreshadowing and the fact that most of the main characters are already related in some way, it would be too obvious. To me, though, Rey has to have some reason for being so special, and her being related to the Skywalkers would make the most thematic sense and would fit in the most with the fact that the main "saga" movies are supposed to be about the Skywalkers. Rey being Luke's daughter is great! It connects Rey to a very powerful legacy. It gives Luke some measure of accomplishment after ROTJ, so he's not a total failure, while making his reunion with Rey personally important and automatically investing him in her future success. And it gives the relationship between Rey and Kylo depth because as cousins, they have competing claims to the Skywalker inheritancewhich plays out in a very memorable way on-screen.
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Zoran posted:Because it's a terrible pickup line, which is proof that Lucas had no idea what he was doing. Anakin is supposed to be a really cool and badass and awesome anti-hero. Right? I love this line of reasoning. "The lines are supposed to sound awkward and dorky!" Yes, we know. Everyone knows. They fail at sounding convincingly awkward and dorky, too.
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Jan 9, 2016 16:17
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Zoran posted:Because it's a terrible pickup line, which is proof that Lucas had no idea what he was doing. Anakin is supposed to be a really cool and badass and awesome anti-hero. Right? My main problem with Rey being a Skywalker is, if there are no other Jedi, it kinda feels weird. Like this mystical all-encompassing power in the universe that connects us all; but the only people who can tap into it for the last 30ish years just kinda feels lovely, to me.
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Phylodox posted:I love this line of reasoning. "The lines are supposed to sound awkward and dorky!" Yes, we know. Everyone knows. They fail at sounding convincingly awkward and dorky, too. "These lines are awkward and dorky!" "They're supposed to sound awkward and dorky!" "Yeah well they fail at sounding convincingly awkward and dorky!" (??)
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Jan 9, 2016 16:21
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Do people really defend the awful romance stuff in attack of the clones. I thought everyone hated those embarrasing scenes.
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Jan 9, 2016 16:26
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hemale in pain posted:Do people really defend the awful romance stuff in attack of the clones. I thought everyone hated those embarrasing scenes. I think the main point of contention is whether they're intentionally bad or not. Phylodox fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jan 9, 2016 |
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Jan 9, 2016 16:30
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Gorelab posted:My main problem with Rey being a Skywalker is, if there are no other Jedi, it kinda feels weird. Like this mystical all-encompassing power in the universe that connects us all; but the only people who can tap into it for the last 30ish years just kinda feels lovely, to me. That more seems a problem with the fact that they chose to kill off every one of Luke's new students except Kylo Ren, to me. Besides, the rest of the Knights of Ren and Snoke are likely not Skywalkers.
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Phylodox posted:I think the main point of contention is whether they're intentionally bad or not. Intentional or not, I think people dislike them so much not because they're painfully unrealistic ("wooden," "awkward"), but because they're painfully realistic. Like, do you remember the unbearably cheezy poo poo you wrote/said to middle and high school crushes? Personally, I remember sincerely dropping the "I finally understand all the songs on the radio" line, and I actually thought it was original. The next time I heard it was years later in a Family Guy joke, where it's played as a painful loser-cliche. They're two emotionally stunted people acting out what they think a dashing winning-over and demure protesting-too-much-surrender looks like. It comes across as overly scripted because that's how dumb kids talk when they're trying to proclaim deep feelings or play at denying them - as if for an audience. You've gone over what you'll say, what they'll say, what you'll say back, how they'll bite their lip, etc so much that the actual moment is a terrible mix of nerves and rote rehearsal. It reminds me of the scene in 500 Days of Summer, when her actual birthday party plays in split-screen with the "we'll-get-back-together" vision of it he has in his head. Some of my friends hated it because of how awkward it was - not like "that was uncomfortably real and lame" but "that should not have been in the movie, it was too terrible to see." Prolonged Panorama fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Jan 9, 2016 |
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Jan 9, 2016 16:50
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hemale in pain posted:Do people really defend the awful romance stuff in attack of the clones. I thought everyone hated those embarrasing scenes. While they sound awful to listen to, the romance scenes expose a lot about the characters I find interesting. Even the silly cut scenes involving anakin meeting padme's parents in which it's clear that Padme comes from a ivory tower liberal family. She herself goes on later about her charity work and it becomes more clear why Padme is drawn to anankin in the first place. Padme has the ability to dominate over Anakin and make herself feel special for providing emotional aid to a troubled slave boy. In return he pledges everything to her and grovels at her very feet (in the same way he grovels at the feet of his surrogate father, palpatine). As I grow older and examine these films, they come off as really dark and cynical in a way that I sort of like. However, I watch pakistani sultan rahi movies for fun so I'm a special case. https://youtu.be/fm82WwbkZNI G-III fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jan 9, 2016 |
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Jan 9, 2016 16:56
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The romantic scenes in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith don't read as awkward, self-conscious teenagers being dorky. They read as a middle-aged man either trying to sound that way and failing or a middle-aged man trying to write grand, moving loves scenes and failing abysmally. I honestly don't think the prequels were meant to be a Todd Solondz film in space.
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hemale in pain posted:Do people really defend the awful romance stuff in attack of the clones. I thought everyone hated those embarrasing scenes. The romance in AOTC has issues because it strings together three major bits of progression (Anakin's anguished declaration of love at the fireplace and Padmé's rejection, comforting Anakin after he's distraught at losing his mother and confesses to mass murder, then Padmé admitting she loves Anakin when they're about to die) in a way that makes Padmé's character seem downright weird and inhuman. The problems have very little to do with the fact that Anakin is bad at playing Casanova. Honestly, the scenes where Anakin gets all huffy because someone has emasculated him are the funniest ones in the movie. G-III posted:While they sound awful to listen to the expose a lot about the characters I find interesting. Even the silly cut scenes involving anakin meeting padme's parents in which it's clear that Padme comes from a ivory tower liberal family. She herself goes on later about her charity work and it becomes more clear why Padme is drawn to anankin in the first place. Yeah, I think this is possibly the most sensible interpretation of what Padmé does in AOTC, but I think there wasn't enough of this part of her character communicated in the final film for it to make much sense. Phylodox posted:The romantic scenes in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith don't read as awkward, self-conscious teenagers being dorky. They read as a middle-aged man either trying to sound that way and failing or a middle-aged man trying to write grand, moving loves scenes and failing abysmally. You need to meet more teenagers.
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Phylodox posted:They read as a middle-aged man either trying to sound that way and failing or a middle-aged man trying to write grand, moving loves scenes and failing abysmally. Well the problem here is you're refusing to engage with the film as it is. Yes, you know Lucas wrote all this, but isn't hearing every line as if it's said by him intentionally missing the point?
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I just picked up the art book and HOLY poo poo - this is no mere book of pictures, this is an awesome, in depth look at the Star Wars universe. Im barely in and already having my eyes widen. There was a picture of a "primitive" lighsaber, just a crystal wrapped in string and a trigger. "All this aluminum-milled stuff, that's all for safety and styling" Harrison Ford was early seen being like Jeff Bridges in True Grit, long, swept back hair and a full beard. Would have been awesome.
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Prolonged Priapism posted:Well the problem here is you're refusing to engage with the film as it is. Yes, you know Lucas wrote all this, but isn't hearing every line as if it's said by him intentionally missing the point? I am engaging with the film as-is. The problem a lot of people have is that Anakin and Padme's romance as-is isn't very engaging.
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