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SocketWrench posted:So far the feds can get them for....squatting? A few petty misdemeanors? Well poo poo guys, some community service and a few weeks in jail will sure stop them from ever doing this again. Full on armed entry Waco style and hope they don't fire back or that it turns into a massacre? Kazak_Hstan posted:Oh me oh my I can't imagine what crimes could possibly have been committed at the Bundy ranch in 2014. Kazak_Hstan posted:https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/372 Kazak_Hstan posted:https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/641
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Main Paineframe posted:And loving RICO? Are you kidding me? Are you insane? This is awhile back, but I actually looked up the DoJ guidance to prosecutors and RICO might (might) be viable under some of the post-2001 damage to federal property charges. The pattern of conduct part would be harder, but probably doable even using the confrontation at the Bundy ranch.
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'al qaeda as a global organization' was a legal construct in a turn of the century RICO case to prosecute Bin Laden / Zawahiri and anyone who associates with them. The individuals acting out and engaging in fight club masulinity under one banner or another is the real problem. It's a heady mix of counter-revolution and naturalistic fallacy (men can't help themselves - women should dress modestly, not 'ask for it', stay out of the workplace, etc  ). It may be natural to adhere to old books and authority figures, it may be natural for people with one skin color to distrust people with another - but that doesn't make it wise or right.
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kartikeya posted:Except leaving it alone seems to be increasing the likelihood that they're going to be there longer, not decreasing it, and with more people joining the situation has become more dangerous and harder to resolve if things change and they have to do something more aggressive. The thing is, for this to work, there has to be some goal. as of now it's just a get together of good ol boys playing badass army man like the dick that faked being a marine. This can't go on long term as already been admitted by those retards when they bitched about wanting to get back to their poo poo at home quote:You guys keep saying there's nothing there to endanger, but you seem dedicated to ignoring the fact these assholes are going into town literally every single day. Hell, apparently at least a few are staying in motels rather than at the refuge. I know if I lived in Burns I'd be pretty intimidated by heavily armed militants openly fantasizing about fighting federal agents coming and going absolutely freely, especially when I've been told some of those federal agents in town are undercover. as retarded as these fucks are, even they aren't stupid enough to do anything to the locals or otherwise their claims of support will dry up immediately. 'Sides, what are they gonna do? "I came into town for supplies, I guess I'll shoot a few people while I'm at it because *reasons*" quote:
Yeah, they probably should have blocked the place off, though I doubt it would do a whole lot of good as the terrain there isn't impassible barriers without local law and the feds pretty much full out surrounding the place and getting another active standoff brewing. As of right now the wing nuts are showing up to take part in whatever's to come, including tarp man. when it doesn't happen they'll just leave. You're basically watching some old man children throwing a tantrum because big daddy government won't give them the pretty toys they want. Again I'm not sure what irrational action you expect from them. To really go into town some long rear end distance away and lynch/shoot people because surely that will cause the area to support them further? hell, I work with people like this. They stockpile ammo and guns because they need to fight off *insert unrealistic threat here* but are all blustering pussies that would piss their pants when someone knocks on the door with a badge.
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They're going to keep doing it in different places until the ringleaders start copping 10 and 15 year federal sentences.
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1 doesn't really apply as they've not seen a fed anywhere near the area, much less use a firearm to impede one 2 Perhaps, though it seems to say the first portion applies to a held office, while the second seems to imply such actions directly upon the individual and not some yokels making bullshit threats to an empty building 3 Which were who? the guys in charge? The sheep followers? I'd rather they nail the ring leaders hard than piss out on some idiot sheep because busting them won't do a damned thing but make the ring leaders bluster more. Don't half rear end it SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Jan 9, 2016 |
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Jan 9, 2016 23:14
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SocketWrench posted:1 doesn't really apply as they've not seen a fed anywhere near the area, much less use a firearm to impede one they are in a federal building where federal employees work and are using firearms to prevent them from coming back. if it doesn't apply there, it applies nowhere. also all of this happened in 2014 where nothing but fines were issued, and it's now happening again.
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Volkerball posted:they are in a federal building where federal employees work and are using firearms to prevent them from coming back. if it doesn't apply there, it applies nowhere. Ah, didn't realize the place was open all year round quote:also all of this happened in 2014 where nothing but fines were issued, and it's now happening again. Ya know, it's like you just skip over the parts where I say round them up as in arrest the fuckers. but whatevs
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SedanChair posted:They're going to keep doing it in different places until the ringleaders start copping 10 and 15 year federal sentences. I agree, but I also think that outrage over this not happening yet is a bit premature. I'm probably being too much of an optimist but I'm hoping there are enough differences between this and the Bundy ranch standoff that it won't be a complete repeat. If nothing else, I don't think the BLM is involved since it isn't their facility or jurisdiction, and they seemed to be the weakest link in the federal response to the 2014 Bundy standoff.
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So any news about the Hickani Network's activities in North Orziristan?
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Volkerball posted:they are in a federal building where federal employees work and are using firearms to prevent them from coming back. if it doesn't apply there, it applies nowhere. also all of this happened in 2014 where nothing but fines were issued, and it's now happening again. It was closed for the winter
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SedanChair posted:Most nativist insurrections are an idiot fantasy, when you think about it Especially when your not actually natives.
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Jarmak posted:It was closed for the winter Closed for the holiday, not the winter.
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ClancyEverafter posted:So any news about the Hickani Network's activities in North Orziristan? I like "Hickani", but all I'm getting from Orziristan is that I am a bit *frumple* about these *sad campers*.
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TheBalor posted:Closed for the holiday, not the winter. Do you have a source for this? My understanding was it wasn't staffed in the winter time.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I like "Hickani", but all I'm getting from Orziristan is that I am a bit *frumple* about these *sad campers*. We can workshop it before the Sunday Circus tomorrow morning.
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Jarmak posted:Do you have a source for this? My understanding was it wasn't staffed in the winter time. What does it matter? No one uses the post office on Sunday's, that doesn't mean I can break in for the day.
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kartikeya posted:I'm not entirely sure what you're looking for sources on. I mean, sources being pretty much every single article posted in this thread? The one thing I haven't seen confirmed by any of those is children on site. If you watch the "press conference" I posted earlier you can see the kids.
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Jarmak posted:Do you have a source for this? My understanding was it wasn't staffed in the winter time. No, it's been in multiple news articles and even the sheriff talked about how federal workers are being kept away from their jobs during his town hall thing. I think discussion in this thread got confused because the group said they had also considered taking a wilderness firefighter facility that's closed during the winter.
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I don't see any of these guys carrying beef jerky or trail mix... http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...st-news_article
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Condiv posted:sure glad these shitheads get to rifle through gov computers and drive gov trucks while the fbi does nothing The only alternative to that happening is, in fact, a raid. Which is stupid. Not sure why they aren't looking at blockades, though
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Jet Jaguar posted:I don't see any of these guys carrying beef jerky or trail mix... So when the Feds laugh off these "articles" are the Pacific Yeehawdists gonna stay or will they gently caress off?
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theflyingorc posted:The only alternative to that happening is, in fact, a raid. Which is stupid. if they had actually blockaded the place this wouldve been over much sooner, instead they let them waltz into town and get supplies why cant they even arrest the ones going into town? they're not so dangerous without their friends...
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Jan 10, 2016 01:45
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Jet Jaguar posted:I don't see any of these guys carrying beef jerky or trail mix... cool, they're going all the way appropriating this building for themselves and the fbi is so limp dicked it can't even bother with the most basic of law enforcement
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Jan 10, 2016 01:47
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I'm surprised no one has just sent packages of dildos, gay porn, and lube to them yet.
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Jet Jaguar posted:I don't see any of these guys carrying beef jerky or trail mix... quote:Update at 1:45 p.m.: Todd MacFarlane, a Utah lawyer acting as a mediator, said occupation leader Ammon Bundy doesn't want the armed visitors there. Huh? I'm confused. Why wouldn't the Bundys want their help? Isn't the whole point of this little insurrection to build up and recruit more and more militia/patriot movement goons?
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Jet Jaguar posted:I don't see any of these guys carrying beef jerky or trail mix...  at these idiots with tactical shemaghs in the middle of winter
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Hollismason posted:I'm surprised no one has just sent packages of dildos, gay porn, and lube to them yet. They probably have received such packages but don't talk about them.
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McDowell posted:They probably have received such packages but don't talk about them. Pretty sure the address their gave for supplies is a friend who is willing to bring gifts to them. Pretty sure USPS, UPS, or Fedex in the area aren't going to directly deliver to the cabin
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This is supposedly a list of wants from the OR militia wannabes.  I hope this is a joke. Gaming supplies? Digital camera? Mayonnaise and Miracle Whip?
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Hollismason posted:I'm surprised no one has just sent packages of dildos, gay porn, and lube to them yet. I did. Hasn't got there yet tho.
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Condiv posted:if they had actually blockaded the place this wouldve been over much sooner, instead they let them waltz into town and get supplies The location can't really be blockaded without a tremendous investment of manpower, which would feed the militants' narrative. It's not clear that members of the hardcore occupying group are leaving the compound- and even so arresting them in town would still carry the same risks.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:This is supposedly a list of wants from the OR militia wannabes. Jackets large and extra large. Ya don't say. Condiv posted:sure glad these shitheads get to rifle through gov computers and drive gov trucks while the fbi does nothing Uh, excuse me, I think you'll find that no laws have ever been broken here. If you'd like to insinuate anything about this current situation is not on the complete, 100%, legal, appropriate, and measured up and up then I'll need at least 10 sources from verified legal analysts, as well as sworn (and notarized) testimony from the militia members themselves stating exactly what they did that was illegal.
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Discendo Vox posted:The location can't really be blockaded without a tremendous investment of manpower, which would feed the militants' narrative. It's not clear that members of the hardcore occupying group are leaving the compound- and even so arresting them in town would still carry the same risks. how so? 1-2 militia men pose much less of a threat than 12-20 militia men as for feeding the militants' narrative, isn't fear of exactly that allowing them to further dig in and extend this charade? and doing nothing also feeds their narrative (the 2nd amendment is all you need to protect your rights! don't want the feds trampling your right to whatever you want? take up arms!!) Condiv fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Jan 10, 2016 |
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At this point, these guys are getting everyone else to fund a free camping trip.
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Just noticed: Eggs (Needed Badly) Really need that protein for made stand off gains.
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Discendo Vox posted:The location can't really be blockaded without a tremendous investment of manpower, which would feed the militants' narrative. Who gives a poo poo? Doing nothing feeds into their narrative that the federal government is weak and afraid of them, too.
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Who What Now posted:Who gives a poo poo? Doing nothing feeds into their narrative that the federal government is weak and afraid of them, too. I thought their narrative was that the federal government is omnipresent and brutal
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Flavahbeast posted:I thought their narrative was that the federal government is omnipresent and brutal It's both.
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