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Boomstick Quaid posted:Then why was Bernie beating Republicans in those same match ups? Alrighty let me spell it out for you: People like Bernie and Trump are currently getting a lot of attention because they are "new" and "fresh", and polls are excellent indicators of attention, not necessarily votes. You can poll as high as you want but if your ground game and campaign in general can't keep up your still not going to get elected. What Trump has going for him is that he's an outrageous buffoon so the press is constantly gawking at him giving him a lot of attention. Once Hillary is in the spot light a shitload again when the invariable poo poo slinging contest that will happen as the general nears she will probably become more competitive in the polls. There is also the fact that very little of the current GOP line up have a very united appeal to the base (with the more moderate candidates being outright despised) while Hillary and Bernie are both extremely well liked by the Dem base.
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Cruz: I won't be 'an emperor'quote:Ted Cruz had a message for conservatives rabid for the repeal of Obamacare: Don't expect "Day One" results.
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And to get this out of the way before anyone else says it I'm pretty sure if Hillary can handle the 11+ hours of Bengazhi committee rodeo bullshit she can handle the special ed Olympics the GOP has lined up.
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im kind of bearish on hillarys chances in the general, because if theres one thing history has taught me its that this country is deranged, but trump has not yet had to compete in a situation where hes been pressed to answer questions more complex than "if america was a lady, would you kiss her with tongue"
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Boomstick Quaid posted:Then why was Bernie beating Republicans in those same match ups?
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he praised ted "chappaquiddick" kennedy. kill the rino, slash his throat.
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Trump would have melted into a puddle if he had to sit in a committee for 11 hours. The dude is probably one of the biggest panzies to ever run for office. He's loving grossed out by the concept of women using the bathroom lol. Oh and he complained he had to stand for a long time during a debate 
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Platystemon posted:I don’t know what’s the worst part of this: that’s it’s from Santorum, that he bemoans not wearing a sweater vest, or that he took the photo while travelling 53 mph. Are you really surprised that Rick Santorum is the kind of guy who sets his cruise control two miles below the speed limit? His campaign can't afford speeding tickets!
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Venom Snake posted:And to get this out of the way before anyone else says it I'm pretty sure if Hillary can handle the 11+ hours of Bengazhi committee rodeo bullshit she can handle the special ed Olympics the GOP has lined up. hillary handling things doesnt matter, what matters will be the next ten months of clickbait and what they believe is the most moneygrabbing for headlines trumps bullshit has been doing swell for that so far, even when theyve attacked him
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:hillary handling things doesnt matter, what matters will be the next ten months of clickbait and what they believe is the most moneygrabbing for headlines Yeah because nobody in the Dem primary wants to stop the GOP while they are loving up. Bernie has done well to use the insanity to help make him and his positions a lot more attractive (which is smart on his part) but when the general election rolls around and it's just 1v1 Trumps shitck falls apart because he can't bully anyone any more.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:I'm curious, at what point did each of you decide that Trump's candidacy was serious? (or haven't yet)? Sometime August - September I started thinking he had a strong possibility of winning. E: Head to head matchups for general are still meaningless people.
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Venom Snake posted:Yeah because nobody in the Dem primary wants to stop the GOP while they are loving up. Bernie has done well to use the insanity to help make him and his positions a lot more attractive (which is smart on his part) but when the general election rolls around and it's just 1v1 Trumps shitck falls apart because he can't bully anyone any more. ill believe that when i see it
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:ill believe that when i see it I encourage you to watch the latest Benghazi committee were Clinton was cool and collected while the GOP people asking her questions were sweating bullets and pissing their pants.
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Venom Snake posted:I encourage you to watch the latest Benghazi committee were Clinton was cool and collected while the GOP people asking her questions were sweating bullets and pissing their pants. Hillary was always going to run rings around putzes like Trey Gowdy. Trump plays by different rules than House committees.
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Venom Snake posted:Yeah because nobody in the Dem primary wants to stop the GOP while they are loving up. Bernie has done well to use the insanity to help make him and his positions a lot more attractive (which is smart on his part) but when the general election rolls around and it's just 1v1 Trumps shitck falls apart because he can't bully anyone any more. Bernie's insanity is making promises that the american want to get fulfilled.
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Boosted_C5 posted:Taxing the poor is a stupid and terrible idea, but that doesn't change the fact that Carson's point about people without "skin in the game" voting to make someone else pay more is a valid point. federal taxes are used to smooth out the distribution of low income states with huge poverty and high income states with huge wealth 1/3rd of state budgets are payed by federal taxation with the southern states receiving a larger contribution of federal money than they give in. http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/ federal tax bracket from 0-9,275 is 10% 9275-37650 is 15% add the regressive state taxes averaging another 12% in some states to the federal taxes is a good way to start nationwide riots http://www.itep.org/whopays/ taxes are already either flat as gently caress or regressive https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/04/04/u-s-tax-code-isnt-as-progressive-as-you-think/ http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-how-the-states-destroy-the-fairness-20150413-column.html
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etalian posted:Bernie's insanity is making promises that the american want to get fulfilled. that's what all the candidates are doing.
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Top Bunk Wanker posted:Hillary was always going to run rings around putzes like Trey Gowdy. Trump plays by different rules than House committees. idk man there was a point where they were reading their personal benghazi fanfiction at her. poo poo was surreal.
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Yeah we've talked about this before. Trump has been running circles around real opponents and hasn't ran into anyone yet who won't automatically run into every rake he throws out. Jeb makes Gowdy or whoever look clever.
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Top Bunk Wanker posted:Hillary was always going to run rings around putzes like Trey Gowdy. Trump plays by different rules than House committees. Trump is a bully, what did you think Trey was trying to do? etalian posted:Bernie's insanity is making promises that the american want to get fulfilled. I meant that Bernie was using the GOP's insanity to highlight that he is cool and good.
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Subvisual Haze posted:New Polls from NBC/Marist saying pretty much the exact same things the Fox polls on Friday did! Atheists for Trump: Together, we'll prove no omnipotent and omnibenevolent deity could exist!
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Joementum posted:That Sean Penn article is hilarious, by the way. His prose style is... unique. Ah. Good to know I wasn't imagining things. The bit where he talked about his penis and what they might do to it was particularly inspired...
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Still holding out hope for Rubio to get off his rear end and boost his polling past Iowa and NH. A strong third place showing (or better) will further show that he's the establishment candidate with the strongest support. Or maybe Christie will eat him and absorb his polling, I don't know I'm not a dietician so I cannot comment.
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Donald Trump: Hillary Clinton was enabler, 'not a victim' of adultery(RAPE) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNdPkWITFQk
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Pillowpants posted:For Super Tuesday, imo elections would be better if the first caucuses were in Alaska.
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Peachstapler posted:Obama was losing in hypothetical matchups to loving John McCain most of the winter of 2007-2008. Until the media cycle began focusing on just these two candidates, the 1v1 debates, and their contrasting policy positions, only then did you see Obama maintain the edge. Yeah and, you know, the economy melted down.
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Top City Homo posted:imo elections would be better if the first caucuses were in Alaska. do you want to be president enough to go eat moose-on-a-stick at the juneau county fair or w/e the gently caress they do for fun up there in the american siberia
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Logikv9 posted:Still holding out hope for Rubio to get off his rear end and boost his polling past Iowa and NH. A strong third place showing (or better) will further show that he's the establishment candidate with the strongest support. 
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Subvisual Haze posted:Hillary may be the large favorite to win, but there's always the potential for outside events close to Election Day to sink any candidate. New (actual) scandal, the economy suddenly tanking, a domestic terrorist attack, a sudden international setback etc. She actually polled worse in Iowa/NH general election matchup than Bernie vs the more establishment republicans such as Rubio. She does better against crazier options such as Trump but she has a worse edge than a Bernie ticket.
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When people protested Trump going on SNL I was ambivalent, but now he is going to be on Fallon and watching Jimmy laugh and be nice to him would be soul destroying, I think.
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Dolash posted:If the Governor of Iowa actually did endorse Trump, that'd be a hell of a thing. Sure, it might help make the outcome a little closer, but more to the point it might also be a sign that some Republican politicians are starting to sense the coming Trumpocalypse and want to get on Donald's good side while the getting is good. Oh yeah it would be chaos in the ranks. The politicians of the establishment wing of Iowa republicans have been lining behind Rubio (formally Walker). The big donors behind Branstad are behind Christie. The Evangelicals are behind Cruz. If Branstad endorsed Trump that would be a thing alright. He has stated he wasn't going to endorse before the caucus plus Branstad is Toxic right now with approval in the low 30s.
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Venom Snake posted:
Is this the new hope for Trump to fall? Once Hillary starts getting more attention more people will realize how bad she is and will choose Trump. Someone made an excellent point about Clinton being bad at winning races she wasn't handed. This will be no different and she'll be getting stumped daily.
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blue squares posted:When people protested Trump going on SNL I was ambivalent, but now he is going to be on Fallon and watching Jimmy laugh and be nice to him would be soul destroying, I think. He was already on Fallon, and it was pretty hilarious, TBH.
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William Bear posted:Donald J. Trump, your moderate Republican candidate for 2016. It's what we've been saying - you want to be tough on crime, you don't like immigrants, you put America first, but you don't care about creationism, abortion or any of that insane culture war bullshit, you finally have your candidate. That's why he scores well with the Internet crowd, too. The only thing that's surprising is that it took so long for someone to really fill this niche.
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Trump has been handed debates because every candidate who bothered to attack him were either nobodies (kiddie table candidates), failures (Jeb!), or lovely (everyone else). This isnt counting the candidates too busy deciding whether to suck his dick or attack his hair. He hasn't been put in any sort of non-clown car situation where he couldn't get away with empty rhetoric and lack of facts. This is why Hillary will stomp him, because in addition to that it will be harder to bully her.
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Logikv9 posted:Trump has been handed debates because every candidate who bothered to attack him were either nobodies (kiddie table candidates), failures (Jeb!), or lovely (everyone else). This isnt counting the candidates too busy deciding whether to suck his dick or attack his hair. Trump has already destroyed numerous career politicians and the strongest that are left are scared to challenge him. How many times has the media said "well Donald finally said something that is going to end his candidacy" then he brushes it off and gets stronger. It will be no different in the general election and if you thought he destroyed Jeb! wait until you see what he does to Clinton.
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eric posted:Trump has already destroyed numerous career politicians and the strongest that are left are scared to challenge him. How many times has the media said "well Donald finally said something that is going to end his candidacy" then he brushes it off and gets stronger. It will be no different in the general election and if you thought he destroyed Jeb! wait until you see what he does to Clinton. Trump is like the Hulk, attacking him only makes him stronger
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