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Crain posted:-Agrees that there should be a road block Yup quote:-Say they shouldn't set up a roadblock. Bzz, Response made in light of the fact they haven't set up road blocks doesn't mean I don't think they should set up road blocks. Jesus loving christ quote:-Are totally fine with the situation getting worse. When it only involves these assholes, why should anyone care. The movement began and failed through the same people on it's own. quote:
Then it'll happen no matter what in your world. Government does nothing, people raid buildings. Government actively does something, well, history bears out that does send people off to blow up buildings and shoot people. theflyingorc posted:OK, so the problem is the FBI aren't coming in and doing something, so they've created a situation where the children will be shot by the FBI. Got it. Well didn't you see?! They spray painted some trucks and took down a section of fence. Obviously the next step is occupation of the entire west coast! SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Jan 12, 2016 |
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SocketWrench posted:Well didn't you see?! They spray painted some trucks and took down a section of fence. Obviously the next step is occupation of the entire west coast!
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SocketWrench posted:When it only involves these assholes, why should anyone care. The movement began and failed through the same people on it's own. It demonstrably isn't only involving 'these assholes' precisely because there aren't any roadblocks. If that's what you mean, then alright. If not, I'm going to continue to marvel at the ability of this situation to make a fair number of people keep firmly believing that literally no one lives anywhere near the occupied sanctuary and the sanctuary serves absolutely no purpose and has no ongoing projects and nobody actually works there despite the reality, which now includes militia dudes literally patrolling the nearest loving town and BLM employees being warned to leave their homes for their own safety because 'these assholes' might very well now have their home addresses.
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Condiv posted:according to a judge it's costing 60-70k the gov 60-70k a day for the militia to occupy that station and he's gonna send bundy the bill once all this is done At an absolute minimum every person participating in this insurrectionist bullshit should be financially responsible for this. Treat it like a giant camping party and lien everything they own until they pay for their outing. Do you have a link to this judge person you mention? I'd like to mail him or her a tasty box of muffins in support.
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So when were the schools going to reopen in Burns? Is that going to be delayed due to the roving "patriots" armed with assault weapons?
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Which one of you guys sent the gummy dicks?quote:They have apparently received some unwanted gifts, such as sex toys, as seen in a Facebook video posted by Jon Ritzheimer, an Arizona veteran who is taking part in the occupation.
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So here's some updates on the community meetings last night cobbled together from unverified tweets, verified tweets, news stories, and crazy people: Pete Santilli (Right-Wing crazy and Hillary Clinton threatener) was at the meeting to act as press and decided that the smart thing to do was apparently shout questions incessantly at people who were given the mic to speak. He was promptly removed: WATCH: Residents Cheer As Militants’ Spokesman Kicked Out Of Town Meeting Turns out this was not a random choice of protest after the initial protest at the Hammond's arraignment at the court house. Although I don't think anyone thought it was completely off the cuff, Ammon and Co. were planning this standoff for upwards of two months in secret. And yet they still managed to not bring enough supplies or wool socks. Good job guys. Oregon occupation planned for months by Ammon Bundy and Montana militia leader quote:It may have looked spontaneous, but the takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge a week ago was part of a plan Ammon Bundy and a trusted associate developed largely in secret over the past two months. There is more than a little intimidation in town by the militia members. We knew about the Sheriff, his wife, and parents being stalked by militia members, but now it's being reported that other members of the Sheriff's office, local police, Fish & Wildlife employees, and their families are facing intimidation, stalking, and harassment. Sheriff handling Oregon standoff denounces intimidation of law enforcement quote:Since the occupation began, there have been reports of law enforcement being followed home or watched, Sheriff Ward said in a written statement. A recent call to action by one of the groups drew many more people to Harney County, and the intimidating behavior continued, he said. And the guys at the Oregonian/Oregon live put together a short video showing some of the Bundy militia explaining why they are there. Responses range from "I read the constitution, too many unconstitutional things are happening" to "I support what they're doing, just not how they're doing it." to "They're Americans, standing up for Americans, against BLM corruption". Also shows a couple of people who are there now who were part of the 2014 Cliven Bundy stand-off, as if there were any doubt this wasn't part of that campaign still. Why are you here? Hear from occupiers and their visitors
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Which one of you guys sent the gummy dicks? "They just spend all their money on hate and hate" 
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Which one of you guys sent the gummy dicks? quote:Ritzheimer urged fellow “patriots” to join them in Oregon for “history in the making,” and he offered a message to his family. You fucks have never ever been deployed more than likely, and you are just playing soldier and have never actually had to sacrifice like actual troops. gently caress you.
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Ahaha! I imagine him going "myaaa!!!!" like an irritated child when he shoved the candy off the table then pouting.
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Roland Jones posted:So when were the schools going to reopen in Burns? Is that going to be delayed due to the roving "patriots" armed with assault weapons? The school districts are back open.
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kartikeya posted:It demonstrably isn't only involving 'these assholes' precisely because there aren't any roadblocks. If that's what you mean, then alright. If not, I'm going to continue to marvel at the ability of this situation to make a fair number of people keep firmly believing that literally no one lives anywhere near the occupied sanctuary and the sanctuary serves absolutely no purpose and has no ongoing projects and nobody actually works there despite the reality, which now includes militia dudes literally patrolling the nearest loving town and BLM employees being warned to leave their homes for their own safety because 'these assholes' might very well now have their home addresses. If it's not involving just these assholes, then people should care. It's not a very complex thing to figure out from that line. And as I already said, yes, there probably should be roadblocks. I want to play some devil's advocate though, these people that slashed tires, followed the wife, and threatened the sheriff and his parents, are they positively just this group? Are they fed up locals?
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Radish posted:Ahaha! I imagine him going "myaaa!!!!" like an irritated child when he shoved the candy off the table then pouting. You don't have to imagine.
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what a surprise, the ranchers found the gifts strange, rather than reacting to them like a vampire to a cross
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SocketWrench posted:If it's not involving just these assholes, then people should care. http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/sheriff_managing_oregon_stando.html
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theflyingorc posted:Yup. I still see these guys as getting increasingly desperate for things to do. They're completely off the front page of CNN, and only a small article on the US page. The media circus is 4-5 days from being over unless they shoot somebody. At best you can say that this is becoming a specifically regional story. Because there's plenty of news stories coming out of regional news sources. Also there was yet another full community meeting with the sheriff's office, local leaders, militia members and the public last night. Also I completely disagree that these guys want to stay in the national news. At least not the main guys.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Which one of you guys sent the gummy dicks? Beautiful. The irony kills me that they bitch about people spending money on that while begging people to spend money on what they want. Crain posted:http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/sheriff_managing_oregon_stando.html "Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward accused militias Monday of harassing law enforcement officials and federal employees." And? They accused, with nothing really to back it up except "they were made to intimidate" which could only be done by those dastardly Bundys and no one else. This poo poo wouldn't hold up in court, I'm afraid.
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SocketWrench posted:"Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward accused militias Monday of harassing law enforcement officials and federal employees." That must be why the County Police have advised the Federal Employees to find somewhere else to stay till this blows over....
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SocketWrench posted:
And with this we can just ignore you. Like kartikeya's been saying you and PTD and theflyingorc are not reading anything anyone's posting and are just playing contrarian. From the article posted:U.S. Fish and Wildlife employees have told the Sheriff that they've been approached by self-styled militia members while grocery shopping or running errands with their families. The militia members would "engage employees and family members in debates about their status as Federal employees," Sheriff Ward said. People are being harassed. Now go away.
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Crain posted:And with this we can just ignore you. Like kartikeya's been saying you and PTD and theflyingorc are not reading anything anyone's posting and are just playing contrarian. Certainly sounds like slashing tires and threats to me! I have no doubt the vast majority at least is these fuckers and other like mined people. But I also don't find it hard to believe some pissed off locals would do the same for the inaction that takes place. CommieGIR posted:That must be why the County Police have advised the Federal Employees to find somewhere else to stay till this blows over.... Because they might have their addresses. You know that doesn't mean anything but for safety's sake, since they might have your address, you might want to go stay somewhere else, right? SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Jan 12, 2016 |
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Crain posted:So here's some updates on the community meetings last night cobbled together from unverified tweets, verified tweets, news stories, and crazy people: Every one of these links is worth a click. Glad to finally see some really thorough reporting instead of just another day of "some more people with guns showed up and they were turned away, but actually they weren't"
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If some random person came up to me in the grocery store and started asking me why I'm a federal employee that would freak me the gently caress out. If this is actually happening (not sure why the sheriff would lie about it but it's a possibility I suppose) it's pretty likely that the occupiers are involved, as they have the names and addresses of the employees.
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That's beautiful.
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Radish posted:That's beautiful. Reminds me of watching those idiots peddle knives on late night tv, especially when he starts on about shipping. I was waiting for that sidebar to pop up with the item number
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Radish posted:That's beautiful. And then he had to pick it up again because lol @ just filming yourself trashing the place. It's like the teleporting plastic skull from that Dark Enlightenment guy's video. Bet you he practiced that several times to get it right too.
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As soon as the camera was off, he went back for the dildo.
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Radish posted:That's beautiful. Gummy dicks is hate.
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SocketWrench posted:Because they might have their addresses. You know that doesn't mean anything but for safety's sake, since they might have your address, you might want to go stay somewhere else, right? So they are dangerous? Make up your mind. Crain posted:And with this we can just ignore you. Like kartikeya's been saying you and PTD and theflyingorc are not reading anything anyone's posting and are just playing contrarian.
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SocketWrench posted:Because they might have their addresses. You know that doesn't mean anything but for safety's sake, since they might have your address, you might want to go stay somewhere else, right? You were acting like it could be just anybody harassing these employees: SocketWrench posted:And? They accused, with nothing really to back it up except "they were made to intimidate" which could only be done by those dastardly Bundys and no one else. This poo poo wouldn't hold up in court, I'm afraid. But who else would even know who they were? And this isn't a courtroom, no poo poo it wouldn't hold up in court.
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Crain posted:Turns out this was not a random choice of protest after the initial protest at the Hammond's arraignment at the court house. Although I don't think anyone thought it was completely off the cuff, Ammon and Co. were planning this standoff for upwards of two months in secret. And yet they still managed to not bring enough supplies or wool socks. Good job guys. Can't rule out that their plan was for Harney county, including the sheriff, to join the cause and support them. They have been the real welfare queens their entire lives.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Which one of you guys sent the gummy dicks? Sending sex toys sound like it's on the opposite end of the spectrum from hate. Hell if he doesn't want this stuff I'll take it.
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Someone will get hurt eventually and then people who support them will backpeddle and no one with half a brain will be surprised an armed militia was actually a danger to the people around them.
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SocketWrench posted:If it's not involving just these assholes, then people should care. This started happening immediately after the occupation began, and has increased in victims and intensity since then. So yes, pretty positively this group, especially considering that report above with people getting confronted while grocery shopping by militia members. This is an extremely small community; everyone practically knows everyone (or knows someone who knows people they don't), especially if you're someone prominent like the sheriff or his wife. Also I feel like a broken record but remember that time, you know, a few days back, when they talked about hanging the sheriff from a lamp post? Because that's also a thing. People are fleeing their homes, or being advised to by their bosses, getting stalked by nuts with guns, and having to deal with militia dudes acting like they're cops because of this loving occupation, and the guys with the training and the manpower to protect them are, to all appearances, doing absolutely loving nothing but sitting and 'observing'. Maybe you guys are right and they have some super secret amazing plan they're going to pull off to end this all in one swoop and cart everyone off to stand trial and serve prison sentences, in which case, sure, great, that needs to happen, but they are putting the public at ridiculous risk right now and that's not remotely okay. Also, pretty sure the person who spent the money to send that bag of gummy dicks is thinking it was worth every penny right about now.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:"these thugs are driving around, with guns in their cars, and asking people questions and making them uncomfortable" -posters ITT and also white conservatives reacting to the black panthers circa 1960 What the gently caress is your problem? Be specific.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:"these thugs are driving around, with guns in their cars, and asking people questions and making them uncomfortable" -posters ITT and also white conservatives reacting to the black panthers circa 1960 Crain posted:Hmm, yes. *FARRRRRRTSSSSS* indeed.
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Wanamingo posted:What the gently caress is your problem? He's building up his resume for a chance at his lifelong dream job as a slab of reactor shielding.
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