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chupacabraTERROR posted:Raiders to SD, calling it Ross's nightmare
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chupacabraTERROR posted:For the Spanos family, a good season is how profitable they were and how their net worth went up. Wins are a nice side bonus. Cards would be this way still if Michael Bidwill hadn't taken over the team, Bill gave no fucks about winning. The sweetheart stadium deal that Bill whined for and got is also having solvency problems because of lower tax revenues from depressed tourism. And it only cost $450M.
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Jan 12, 2016 17:32
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It really is the difference between an independently wealthy businessman buying a team versus an owner whose sole asset is the team. Everything becomes financial rather than emotional and about winning. And unfortunately Dean is not wrong about his plan to move to LA. It WILL increase his stake's value, potentially by 2.0x.
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Jan 12, 2016 17:33
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Qwijib0 posted:Cards would be this way still if Michael Bidwill hadn't taken over the team, Bill gave no fucks about winning. gently caress Bill Bidwell
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Jan 12, 2016 18:35
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JRizzle posted:gently caress Bill Bidwell I imagine that's going to be on a plaque above the entrance when the Cards eventually get a new stadium.
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Jan 12, 2016 18:38
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:I imagine that's going to be on a plaque above the entrance when the Cards eventually get a new stadium. We got one 10 years ago. The cards played for 15 years before that at Sun Devil stadium. JRizzle posted:gently caress Bill Bidwell Agreed. If the Cards hadn't moved, we would have gotten an expansion-- likely Jacksonville's. A lot of the lack of fan support in the valley was Bill-related. Qwijib0 fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jan 12, 2016 |
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Jan 12, 2016 18:59
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Qwijib0 posted:Cards would be this way still if Michael Bidwill hadn't taken over the team, Bill gave no fucks about winning. Am I wrong in thinking that the plan assumed that ASU would move in permanently?
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Jan 12, 2016 19:18
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http://www.csnbayarea.com/raiders/report-la-committee-recommends-carson-project The committee supposedly recommended the Carson project, and as for the Rams-Chargers idea: quote:Despite the Carson recommendation, league sources confirmed that buzz surrounding Jones’ suggestion to pair the Chargers and Rams in Inglewood is a realistic possibility.
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Jan 12, 2016 19:27
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japtor posted:http://www.csnbayarea.com/raiders/report-la-committee-recommends-carson-project The vote was 5-1 with the one dissenting vote being Clark Hunt. gently caress the Chiefs. This also reconfirms what I've been hearing about the Raiders getting compensation if left out. North of $200m to help build an Oakland stadium.
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Jan 12, 2016 21:30
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The Raiders being the odd team out is unbelievably hilarious to me
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Jan 12, 2016 21:37
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If spanos refuses to agree to an inglewood deal, like he's saying he will, then the raiders won't be. it would be pretty cool if the raiders are left out and get their own new stadium in oakland without losing mark as an owner, but by far the best comedy option is inglewood with the chargers and rams not working because spanos refuses. if that isn't on the table, idk what the gently caress happens other than that the nfl gets put in a hell of a bind.
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Jan 12, 2016 21:46
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warcrimes posted:The vote was 5-1 with the one dissenting vote being Clark Hunt. gently caress the Chiefs. This also reconfirms what I've been hearing about the Raiders getting compensation if left out. North of $200m to help build an Oakland stadium. Clark Hunt is the only sane person on the committee and only wants one team in LA. Also, if the NFL gives the Raiders more money, good luck the next time a team tries to extort a city for a new stadium, especially without the LA market in play.
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Volkerball posted:If spanos refuses to agree to an inglewood deal, like he's saying he will, then the raiders won't be. it would be pretty cool if the raiders are left out and get their own new stadium in oakland without losing mark as an owner, but by far the best comedy option is inglewood with the chargers and rams not working because spanos refuses. if that isn't on the table, idk what the gently caress happens other than that the nfl gets put in a hell of a bind. Kevin Acee is speculating that the only way Spanos will agree to a partnership with Kroenke is if Kroenke brings the Rams to Carson. Which means the Raiders would have to sign off on it. Which means Kroenke would also have to give up a whole lot. I have no idea what's going to happen.
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Jan 12, 2016 21:48
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Kroenke so desperately wants to spend his billions on L.A. and he's going to have to go back to St. Louis after making GBS threads all over them.quote:@JasonLaCanfora
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Jan 12, 2016 21:50
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Ozu posted:Kroenke so desperately wants to spend his billions on L.A. and he's going to have to go back to St. Louis after making GBS threads all over them. This is the funniest part of this whole situation. Every owner has talked mad poo poo about their current city, and at least one of them is going to have to go back with his tail between his legs.
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Jan 12, 2016 21:51
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*NFL CMTE SAID TO FAVOR PLAN BACKED BY CHARGERS, RAIDERS: RTRS that just flashed on Bloomberg. Does that mean the Rams stay in St Louis?
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Jan 12, 2016 21:52
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Ozu posted:Kroenke so desperately wants to spend his billions on L.A. and he's going to have to go back to St. Louis after making GBS threads all over them. I still think he's gonna move regardless of what the NFL says
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Adun posted:*NFL CMTE SAID TO FAVOR PLAN BACKED BY CHARGERS, RAIDERS: RTRS No. Nothing has been voted on yet
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Ross Angeles posted:Clark Hunt is the only sane person on the committee and only wants one team in LA. the nfl will probably make the rams and chargers pay the balance for the raiders stadium, rather than pay it themselves, assuming inglewood with the chargers happens. Ross Angeles posted:Kevin Acee is speculating that the only way Spanos will agree to a partnership with Kroenke is if Kroenke brings the Rams to Carson. Which means the Raiders would have to sign off on it. Which means Kroenke would also have to give up a whole lot. yeah, i mean if they were playing politics it'd be one thing, but quote:In a letter to a league committee on Dec. 7, Chargers chairman Dean Spanos also shot down a proposed opening with Kroenke in Inglewood, saying “nothing in Stan’s letter gives me any reason to reconsider my partnership with (Raiders owner) Mark Davis and our chosen stadium site.” quote:“On December 7, the Chargers made clear in writing that we had zero interest in the Inglewood project, and nothing has changed since then,” Chargers special counsel Mark Fabiani said Monday in a statement to USA TODAY Sports. “Our L.A. stadium project in Carson has the most central location, the best leadership with (Disney chief executive) Bob Iger, and the ample parking and easy freeway access to give fans the best possible game day experience.” "zero interest in the inglewood project, and nothing has changed since then?" that doesn't sound noncommittal or possible pending negotiations. that sounds like "gently caress that." i have no idea what's going to happen either. Ross Angeles posted:I still think he's gonna move regardless of what the NFL says part of the relocation submission form says they aren't allowed to sue the nfl if they don't get their way anymore. i'd imagine there's other disclaimers in there, entitled the Al Davis Articles, that make this unrealistic.
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Listening to Jason Cole (reporter who has been covering this whole thing top to bottom and inside out) on the radio just now, Kroenke has sort of hosed himself by his behavior. League is apparently not happy with his behavior as of late, both towards public and arrogance the whole time towards other owners. He was apparently warning league owners "not to cross him" today with threats of collusion. Hahahahaha if true. What a dickbag. For Inglewood to work it has to be a 50/50 true partnership with Spanos and then most likely a big fat check to Davis as well. Also apparently Inbev/AB's big cheese Carlos Brito (aka the nfls top advertiser) called the NFL on STL's behalf. Whatever that means, if anything. gently caress you Enos.
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Jan 12, 2016 21:58
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Ross Angeles posted:Also, if the NFL gives the Raiders more money, good luck the next time a team tries to extort a city for a new stadium, especially without the LA market in play. Who cares?
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Ozu posted:Kroenke so desperately wants to spend his billions on L.A. and he's going to have to go back to St. Louis after making GBS threads all over them. i hope if carson passes they both refuse to leave the division under threat of a systematic campaign of guerrilla warfare and terrorist attacks against the NFL.
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Jan 12, 2016 21:59
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warcrimes posted:Who cares? NFL owners?
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Jan 12, 2016 22:00
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Chargers & Raiders move to LA, and Kroenke sells the Rams to buy the Broncos. Wait if one of the Chargers or Raiders moves to the NFC West, who moves to the AFC West?
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oldskool posted:Chargers & Raiders move to LA, and Kroenke sells the Rams to buy the Broncos. Probably Arizona
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Jan 12, 2016 22:03
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Not knowing much about L.A, I take it Carson is far more remote than Inglewood?
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Ozu posted:Not knowing much about L.A, I take it Carson is far more remote than Inglewood? Nothing in LA is really "remote". Carson is where the LA Galaxy play
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Jan 12, 2016 22:04
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Ozu posted:Kroenke so desperately wants to spend his billions on L.A. and he's going to have to go back to St. Louis after making GBS threads all over them. San Antonio Rams
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Jan 12, 2016 22:06
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Ozu posted:Not knowing much about L.A, I take it Carson is far more remote than Inglewood? It's remote relative to downtown, but the money is on the west side/beverly hills, which Carson is connected to via the 405. In traffic, they're both an hour away from anything resembling a major business hub.
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oldskool posted:Chargers & Raiders move to LA, and Kroenke sells the Rams to buy the Broncos. I would think Seattle, that's where they're originally from anyhow.
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Jan 12, 2016 22:12
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Nail Rat posted:I would think Seattle, that's where they're originally from anyhow. In shaa Allah
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Nail Rat posted:I would think Seattle, that's where they're originally from anyhow. Really doubt it. SF and St. Louis are untouchable long term NFC West teams, and Seattle has established big rivalries with San Francisco, Carolina, and Green Bay. Arizona would be the logical choice
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Jan 12, 2016 22:18
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Ross Angeles posted:NFL owners? Apparently they don't.
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Ozu posted:Not knowing much about L.A, I take it Carson is far more remote than Inglewood? here have a rare map from the internet 
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Jan 12, 2016 22:23
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Rams moving alone to Inglewood has apparently been removed from the ballot.
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Jan 12, 2016 22:26
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The thought of either the Chargers or Raiders switching conferences disgusts me. These franchises have history.
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Cruel and Unusual posted:The thought of either the Chargers or Raiders switching conferences disgusts me. These franchises have history. The AFC West looks exactly the same today as it did in like 1961. The idea of the cardinals moving into it to replace one of the chargers or raiders is. i don't even want to think about it.
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Jan 12, 2016 22:47
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Protect the AFC West at all costs. It owns too much to be hosed with.
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Apparently the two options on the ballot are Chargers and Rams to Inglewood or Raiders and Chargers to Carson, and that's it. Chargers 
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