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Periphery posted:I'd actually like to see a party that's essentially the greens but instead of being branded as environmentalists heavily pushes a brand focused on health, education and public infrastructure. While those are some fairly prominent areas in all parties I think a focus on those would still allow a party to differentiate itself from the other parties while providing shitloads of avenues to criticise the status quo. Parties are the whole problem. They're easy to attack ('the Greens are hippies so you shouldn't vote for them') and it's easy for them to run on one platform (stop the boats) while actually being about something else entirely (the expansion of corporatism). People need to be able to vote for individual policies rather than baskets of them.
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If you want to vote on party policy you could probably join the party
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# ? Jan 13, 2016 23:27 |
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Looks like the right wing warhawks in the Liberals are going to be kicking up a stink since both the Defence Minister and Turnbull have knocked back the request from the US for more Australian troops in the Middle East. Kevin Andrews has already slammed Marise Payne for the decision
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# ? Jan 13, 2016 23:32 |
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Negligent posted:If you want to vote on party policy you could probably join the party I don't want to vote on party policy though?
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# ? Jan 13, 2016 23:34 |
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open24hours posted:I don't want to vote on party policy though? Well then be happy with just your vote at election time. Put more effort into the democratic process, you know there is already a solution?
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# ? Jan 13, 2016 23:45 |
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asio posted:Nah, the alp was just protectionism and exclusion of asiatics. Everything else was trying to get themselves rich enough to be real tories. I dunno, Gough-era ALP seemed fairly progressive for its time, though it was quite a brief period between racist protectionists and neoliberal tory-lites.
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asio posted:Well then be happy with just your vote at election time. Put more effort into the democratic process, you know there is already a solution? Voting on party policy and voting on what policies are implemented are different things. Party politics is undemocratic at the best of times.
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Anidav posted:My Greens membership expired because I'm too poor and disengaged with politics at the moment.Slob Hortins, DiNutellas, Turdballs. Are you serious? You live in Brisbane - there is a historic campaign being run by the greens in the council elections - you are a greens member. Pm me if you need some tories to fight gently caress
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BBJoey posted:I dunno, Gough-era ALP seemed fairly progressive for its time, though it was quite a brief period between racist protectionists and neoliberal tory-lites. "Vietnamese balts" + east timor
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open24hours posted:Voting on party policy and voting on what policies are implemented are different things. Party politics is undemocratic at the best of times. If only there was a party that had grassroots democracy as a reason for existing
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I agree, if only there was such a party I might even vote for them instead of the Greens.
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I don't feel like fighting.
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# ? Jan 14, 2016 00:01 |
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Anidav posted:I don't feel like fighting. That's strange because you're definitely not a lover.
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asio posted:"Vietnamese balts" + east timor yeah I'm just trying to conjure up a past I can be nostalgic for
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# ? Jan 14, 2016 00:19 |
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Not really Auspol specific but it's come up a number of times before and this is a good examination of it. The thin promises of the Sharing Economy vs the reality https://www.policyalternatives.ca/publications/monitor/apploitation-city-instaserfs
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Anidav posted:I don't feel like fighting. David you should get some help before you fall off the edge - if you see a GP you can get a mental health plan for ten free psychologist visits through medicare. You're showing pretty clear signs of depression and the self-medication isn't going to help it go away.
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open24hours posted:Parties are the whole problem. They're easy to attack ('the Greens are hippies so you shouldn't vote for them') and it's easy for them to run on one platform (stop the boats) while actually being about something else entirely (the expansion of corporatism). People need to be able to vote for individual policies rather than baskets of them. Uh oh, that sounds like the original definition of democracy why do you hate freedom?
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Mate if we didn't have elites like Eric Abetz making our decisions for us it'd be, well, it'd be anarchy wouldn't it? You want bogans pulling the strings?
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Lid posted:David you should get some help before you fall off the edge - if you see a GP you can get a mental health plan for ten free psychologist visits through medicare. You're showing pretty clear signs of depression and the self-medication isn't going to help it go away. Yep. Was thinking this, this morning
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# ? Jan 14, 2016 01:22 |
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quote:Labor has a problem with the Greens and doesn’t know how to deal with it. quote:I just looked at the Greens Policy page. In particular the policy on providing sustainable food sources and food security. Tragically, this policy was implemented in China and Russia by Mao and Stalin respectively. It led to the starvation of over 100m people and set back the country for decades. The Greens through its proposed Food Commissioner will be in charge of who gets what. Maddness is all I can say....
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freebooter posted:The clause about seeking asylum in the first country you get to is something clung to by Australian right-wingers who are furious that asylum seekers don't stay put in Pakistan or Indonesia or whatever lovely poverty-stricken hellhole they end up in. If Australia bordered Afghanistan or Sri Lanka and we really were the first country many refugees arrived in, somehow I don't think you'd hear about it so much. It's a legitimate-sounding front (much like "concern for your safety at sea") to mask the base desire; it's not the founding doctrine of the convention. I'm pretty sure the clause about first country doesn't actually exist. From when I read the convention a few years ago I don't remember finding any mention of it.
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Lid posted:David you should get some help before you fall off the edge - if you see a GP you can get a mental health plan for ten free psychologist visits through medicare. You're showing pretty clear signs of depression and the self-medication isn't going to help it go away. Good post & good avi.
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Yeah it's been rough.
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Didn't see this posted, so here goes, https://twitter.com/jmodoh/status/687447505471053824
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Ler posted:Didn't see this posted, so here goes, Kid understands stranger danger at least
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Ler posted:Didn't see this posted, so here goes, gently caress that is creepy.
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quote:Unions are moving to widen their political influence before this year’s federal election by pouring cash into the Greens, a strategy that is infuriating Labor and sparking accusations of disloyalty against union officials who are formally aligned with the ALP. quote:The Greens are the nation's cancer. They are insidious and persistent. But they need feeding and here we have the unions on the job. Time for some radical chemo therapy to get rid of the lot. People don't realize how the Greens are subverting their future by supporting every attempt to bankrupt our country. 1) they want more immigration 2) they want less industry 3) they want more taxes 4) they want more welfare 5) they want same sex marriage 6) they want christian churches to be marginalised 7) they want more muslims and fewer Christians as immigrants. Of course they will say not so to all of these things - well they would wouldn't they because secrecy and obfuscation are key. Watch the Greens- they are nasties. quote:If the Greens get more control of Australian policy its goodnight to investment and infrastructure. Forget anything thats been invented in the 21st century.
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Anidav posted:Yeah it's been rough. There is help and you aren't alone.
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quote:"...especially when the Greens have similar views to the Liberal Party on penalty rates."
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# ? Jan 14, 2016 04:03 |
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I'm guessing its quoted from the Australian. Funding going to the Greens is a good way to remind the ALP not to take the unions for granted. As always gently caress the shoppies.
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Amethyst posted:Not really Auspol specific but it's come up a number of times before and this is a good examination of it. The thin promises of the Sharing Economy vs the reality This article was based on a series of podcasts/companion articles that went up last year. The host joined a bunch of sharing economy apps, discussed his experiences, and talked to both customers and other app workers that he ran into. It's a really good listen for anyone who reads this thread. https://toe.prx.org/2015/06/instaserfs-i-of-iii/
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Anidav posted:I don't feel like fighting. you are a p poo poo greens supporter, bub
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Tokamak posted:This article was based on a series of podcasts/companion articles that went up last year. The host joined a bunch of sharing economy apps, discussed his experiences, and talked to both customers and other app workers that he ran into. It's a really good listen for anyone who reads this thread. I wonder what the regulatory solution to this is. Ban people from being independent contractors if they're not capable of paying themselves at least minimum wage, just like you can't run other types of businesses if you're not capable of paying your employees? Now that I think about it, isn't it already illegal to work for less than minimum wage even if you're paying yourself? open24hours fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Jan 14, 2016 |
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The AEC put up the final list of changes for the NSW redistribution. Looks like I'm not moving to Grayndler after all.
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You may remember a long while back I posted this article about the private equity firm who pumped and dumped dick smith's profit prospectus to make a fortune from naive investors: https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/14/one-of-the-brains-behind-the-dick-smith-windfall-just-got-appointed-to-the-reserve-bank/ Well, the guy behnind that heist has just been appointed to the Reserve Bank. Plutocracy is cool https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/14/one-of-the-brains-behind-the-dick-smith-windfall-just-got-appointed-to-the-reserve-bank/
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Anidav posted:I don't feel like fighting. Please see a medical professional and investigate if you have major depressive disorder or ADHD-PI
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The AEC put up the final list of changes for the NSW redistribution. ahaha Reid albomania
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freebooter posted:In order to institute this we would actually have to be letting them into the country. According to Civil Liberties Australia " It costs more than $300 a day to keep a prisoner in jail, and more than $600 a day to keep a juvenile in detention...For 2011–12, the costs for police services, courts (criminal and civil) and corrective services was $14.02 billion" Why are good Australians having to foot the bill for these miscreants? Why don't we follow the path blazed by Denmark and charge prisoners for the cost of their incarceration? They have clothes and jewellery, cars, houses, bank accounts all of which can be possessed by the state for all the crimes likely to be committed by poor people. FYI, did you know you have to pay for the privilege of being on parole in the US which is why most people actually end up in jail again. Not because of any crime they committed while out, but they couldn't meet their payments.
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Amethyst posted:You may remember a long while back I posted this article about the private equity firm who pumped and dumped dick smith's profit prospectus to make a fortune from naive investors: https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/14/one-of-the-brains-behind-the-dick-smith-windfall-just-got-appointed-to-the-reserve-bank/ Wow... holy gently caress.
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Amethyst posted:You may remember a long while back I posted this article about the private equity firm who pumped and dumped dick smith's profit prospectus to make a fortune from naive investors: https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/14/one-of-the-brains-behind-the-dick-smith-windfall-just-got-appointed-to-the-reserve-bank/ [That hosed up voice kids do when they're making fun of disabled people] AHHURRRR AT LEAST CAPITALISM WORKS
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