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I grew up around a lot of people like this. If you don't get too into politics (and I guess you're white and from around there), then they'll give you the shirt off their backs. Just don't say anything about the government or gay rights or maybe not needing an M2 to hunt. e: Actually, there's also a FUCKLOAD of them in the National Guard. Make of that what you will.
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UIApplication posted:What time daily does Retards On Youtube happen because I sort of want to listen in tomorrow and pretend David Attenborough is narrating over it about some sort of specimen that flings PBR shits into the forest Pete Santilli starts the livestream roughly 12 noon EST, but the Bundy's and Co. usually don't show up till 2pm. Usually theres nothing to see till 2 but today Pete decided it was a good idea to spew stream of consciousness for an hour before they showed up. The line "My name is Pete Santilli and I'm aiming for at least the top 5 domesitic terrorist list." was uttered.
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Jan 15, 2016 04:22
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"You don't go to prison for this...?" "No, you don't go to prison for the constitution." "It depends on the strength of your resolve." Riiiight,
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Jan 15, 2016 04:23
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HAHA they're looking at the petitions and trying to suss out why there's only a few signers.
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Crain posted:Pete Santilli starts the livestream roughly 12 noon EST, but the Bundy's and Co. usually don't show up till 2pm. Usually theres nothing to see till 2 but today Pete decided it was a good idea to spew stream of consciousness for an hour before they showed up. Yeah, Pete seems like he's basically an rear end in a top hat 24/7
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Oh also, don't forget that tomorrow there is supposed to be a community meeting held by these guys in town. But they were denied permits to use buildings and they weren't sure at their presser today what the plan was. So keep an eye out for...something I guess.
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Jan 15, 2016 04:25
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I hope the sugar free bears get there first.
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Jan 15, 2016 04:28
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That's hilarious, they actually respect local permits? How principled and consistent, these modern Cincinattususes.
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SedanChair posted:That's hilarious, they actually respect local permits? How principled and consistent, these modern Cincinattususes. They think local is the only legitimate level of government. For. ..reasons
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Jan 15, 2016 04:37
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Crain posted:Uh...yeah actually. Pete publicly stated he's trying for at LEAST one of the top 5 spots on the Domestic Terrorist list. So when will the Feds do anything? It's like a Tex Avery cartoon with a blinking neon light at this point, but instead of "Eat at Joe's", it's "I'm a Terrorist, Kill Me."
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SubponticatePoster posted:WTF is this outfit? Cowboy hat, ok sure. Leather biker jacket? A scarf that would be completely at home in the Castro? Knockoff Oakleys from a frathouse? Vaping?? It's a traffic accident of fashion on one person. LGD posted:tbf vaping is totally fine in Oregon (and all the more so if you don't respect federal authority) Pretty sure that's e-cig vaping and not marijuana vaping. The former is fine anywhere. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Jan 15, 2016 |
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Jan 15, 2016 04:40
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:It's a traffic accident of fashion on one person. vaping anything is terrible anywhere. It's the jorts of drug paraphernalia.
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Main Paineframe posted:I dunno, usually the police threads get all whiny when local cops shoot someone who has committed no violence solely because they possessed a gun, broke into a building, committed a property crime, or said scary things! Typically it's suggested that the police should have nonviolently talked them down, and that it would be inappropriate to escalate a situation against someone who has yet to use violence, even if they said something threatening but made no effort to follow up on that threat with action. Laws which allow law enforcement to presume that someone is violent and use lethal force against them simply because they possess a firearm are also a popular target for criticism. Unless they're both white and right-wing, apparently, in which case every angry word about taking down the government should be treated like a murder charge and followed up with violence! You punch up, not punch down. Discendo Vox posted:vaping anything is terrible anywhere. It's the jorts of drug paraphernalia. I was referring to legality, not acceptability.
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Jan 15, 2016 04:47
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theflyingorc posted:They think local is the only legitimate level of government. Specifically, the only legitimate level of government is the level of government that agrees with them at all times.
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Jan 15, 2016 04:57
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:You punch up, not punch down. Edit: let me be clear, they mostly are douchebags, but c'mon
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Cythereal posted:Specifically, the only legitimate level of government is the level of government that agrees with them at all times. The only moral government is MY government.
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theflyingorc posted:Some of these people (not ammon) are poor, ignorant farmers who are scared that they aren't going to be able to provide for their families. The fact that they're white doesn't immediately make it "punching up" You're leaving out the parts about seizing a federal building while armed, slashing the sheriff's tires, stalking and threatening his wife, etc. That tends to push it from punching down to up.
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Jan 15, 2016 05:12
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:
Yeah, we were talking about e-cig vaping. Which is just liquid with nicotine and flavoring run through a mini atomizer instead of a mini blast furnace that vaporizes weed. Basically we're making fun of him for looking like he's deep throating robocops mechanical dick.
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theflyingorc posted:They think local is the only legitimate level of government. Government small enough to be
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Discendo Vox posted:Vaping anything is terrible anywhere. It's the jorts of drug paraphernalia. It's pretty good at getting people off actual cigs, terrible spergs might use them too, but who cares.
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Jan 15, 2016 05:34
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If you vape for more than a month before deciding its just not worth it and quit smoking or move on to other forms of smoking cessation you're a pussy who can't kick the nicotine habit.
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Jan 15, 2016 05:40
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Lol, if the local people ask us to leave we'll attempt to carpetbag in the neighboring sheriff.The Oregonian posted:Earlier in the week, three members of Bundy's group met with Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer. They asked him to come to the refuge and "take a stand," Palmer told the Blue Mountain Eagle. He declined, saying he wouldn't without Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward's permission.
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Crain posted:Yeah, we were talking about e-cig vaping. Which is just liquid with nicotine and flavoring run through a mini atomizer instead of a mini blast furnace that vaporizes weed. It also supposedly causes popcorn lung, which is pretty  .
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Yardbomb posted:It's pretty good at getting people off actual cigs, terrible spergs might use them too, but who cares. I'll not get into it here, but vaporizers are much, much worse at the structural level (healthwise, legally, the practices of companies that own them) than even conventional tobacco. This is largely because they were built from the ground up to evade regulation of all sorts. They're the Uber to tobacco's taxis. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Jan 15, 2016 |
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Jan 15, 2016 06:25
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Have these loving mutants been destroyed yet
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UV_Catastrophe posted:When a comparable left-wing protest eventually happens, I am 100 percent sure that the authorities will thoughtfully consider using a gentle response like the one used in Burns, Oregon and will definitely not stomp them out of existence using every dirty trick in the book. I know this because we're all about fairness and the use of consistent logic here in the good old US of A, and we certainly don't dole out justice differently depending on political circumstance, no sir.
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Discendo Vox posted:They're the Uber to tobacco's taxis. This is a really great analogy, because the venn diagram of people I know who like Uber and who vape is one solid loving circle.
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Subterfrugal posted:Lol, if the local people ask us to leave we'll attempt to carpetbag in the neighboring sheriff. I know I keep quoting MacNab, but she's got a pretty good running commentary on this thing and she has a pretty wide knowledge of SovCits in general. On this particular matter: https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/687730867792396288 The neighboring sheriff mentioned here is a member of a SovCit group and that's why he's sympathizing with the militants. Nice, huh? https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/687735542969200642 And that's why they want to hang the local sheriff. The other sheriff was wise enough not to get involved, but apparently still supports the guys calling for the death of Sheriff Ward because he's not only a member of this group, he's an honored member.
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So, the constitution is interpreted by local sheriffs, not the courts. Have these people never taken an elementary school Civics class?
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RandomPauI posted:So, the constitution is interpreted by local sheriffs, not the courts. Homeschooling is big in SovCit circles, so...entirely possible they have not.
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RandomPauI posted:So, the constitution is interpreted by local sheriffs, not the courts. Sovereign citizens are descendent of Posse Comitatus, an extreme right-wing tax protester movement of the 70s and 80s. They had a really bizarre reading of the laws that somehow managed to interpret that sheriffs are the head of state and that government has no authority above the county level (I think something to do with the legal concept of posse comitatus, which is what lets the sheriff legally recruit citizens to help him enforce the law at his own discretion; I guess they interpreted that power and discretion as giving the sheriff total authority). A lot of modern sovereign citizens include this in their ridiculousness, believing that an elected sheriff is the highest authority and refusing to recognize any greater level of government (such as the state and federal government) as legitimate.
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kartikeya posted:I know I keep quoting MacNab, but she's got a pretty good running commentary on this thing and she has a pretty wide knowledge of SovCits in general. On this particular matter: cool, looks like this militia are just a bunch of lone whackos with shrinking numbers and no support
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chitoryu12 posted:Sovereign citizens are descendent of Posse Comitatus, an extreme right-wing tax protester movement of the 70s and 80s. They had a really bizarre reading of the laws that somehow managed to interpret that sheriffs are the head of state and that government has no authority above the county level (I think something to do with the legal concept of posse comitatus, which is what lets the sheriff legally recruit citizens to help him enforce the law at his own discretion; I guess they interpreted that power and discretion as giving the sheriff total authority). A lot of modern sovereign citizens include this in their ridiculousness, believing that an elected sheriff is the highest authority and refusing to recognize any greater level of government (such as the state and federal government) as legitimate. This stuff never ceases to amaze me. I mean, sure, you decide the rules don't apply to you, and the older guy you drink brake fluid with down by the tracks says there's legal precedent for thinking so if you just mutter enough about naval flags and sovereignty when the cops come. But why do you still believe it, after your magic words do gently caress-all and you get tazed and arrested for harassment( or, more sobering, your idiot friends get shot assaulting a police station)???
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Tias posted:But why do you still believe it, after your magic words do gently caress-all and you get tazed and arrested for harassment( or, more sobering, your idiot friends get shot assaulting a police station)??? Because you didn't say the magic words correctly enough, or you didn't believe hard enough, or the people you interacted with were evil statist minions. It's a conspiracy theory, but written by a racist neoconfederate who was super upset at federal troops being used to police the integration of schools.
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Being from the UK the only famous person I could think of from oregon was chael sonnen (there are obviously loads but that was the only one I had heard discussing it). I could really imagine him at some thing like this.
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chitoryu12 posted:Sovereign citizens are descendent of Posse Comitatus, an extreme right-wing tax protester movement of the 70s and 80s. They had a really bizarre reading of the laws that somehow managed to interpret that sheriffs are the head of state and that government has no authority above the county level (I think something to do with the legal concept of posse comitatus, which is what lets the sheriff legally recruit citizens to help him enforce the law at his own discretion; I guess they interpreted that power and discretion as giving the sheriff total authority). A lot of modern sovereign citizens include this in their ridiculousness, believing that an elected sheriff is the highest authority and refusing to recognize any greater level of government (such as the state and federal government) as legitimate. So if all power above the county level is disbanded, what happens to this enormous juggernaut of a military? Are they assuming they'll just quietly disband and not, for example and I'm totally just thinking out loud because something like this has never happened before, steamroll every paintball playdate militia guarding anything even remotely valuable and set up a military junta by day 2? edit - maybe they read Starship Troopers and took the hand waving of "look, this military needs to be benevolent if I'm going to be able to tell this story I don't care if it doesn't make sense" to heart Epic High Five fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Jan 15, 2016 |
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Looking from the outside in, I really don't know why these dumb asses haven't been arrested/sieged yet. In any other country they would have been contained day one and considered terrorist/criminals and dealt with accordingly. Did the terrorists win in your country all those years ago? Is everyone waiting for the 14 day camper rules to pass before doing anything? What a loving Farce on both sides.
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oohhboy posted:Looking from the outside in, I really don't know why these dumb asses haven't been arrested/sieged yet. In any other country they would have been contained day one and considered terrorist/criminals and dealt with accordingly. Did the terrorists win in your country all those years ago? Is everyone waiting for the 14 day camper rules to pass before doing anything? What a loving Farce on both sides. The feds can't do anything until they find out what is the motive behind this takeover. This may take a while as a man's true agenda tends to be easier to ascertain the higher the melanin count of his skin.
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JJ MacNab posted:CSPOA well this is a hosed up thing I wish didnt exist so the feds seem to have not even a slight grasp on the patriot movement good to fuckin know
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oohhboy posted:Looking from the outside in, I really don't know why these dumb asses haven't been arrested/sieged yet. In any other country they would have been contained day one and considered terrorist/criminals and dealt with accordingly. Did the terrorists win in your country all those years ago? Is everyone waiting for the 14 day camper rules to pass before doing anything? What a loving Farce on both sides. They're white and right wing which means that they're afraid that doing anything will make the growing number of other insane conservatives angry. That and these idiots really, really want this to turn into a standoff so they can indulge their fantasies and/or become maytrs.
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