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Terrible Opinions posted:If people disagreeing with you in a dismissive manner causes suicidal urges, you probably shouldn't be on the internet. Like that's either just a blanket excuse to justify refusing criticism or someone who needs to be in some for of medical observation at all times. when I was a suicidally depressed teen with major brain problems i used to get suicidal urges when someone or something i liked expressed an opinion of a certain kind that i at the time considered both wrong and about an important topic. something about the internet being my escape from the rest of the awful world yet still running into "awful" people did it. then i got therapy and treatment and realized there's better things to do with my time than hateread so to borrow E/N's line  from this thread and seek therapy
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Why the gently caress is it Gamergaters feel the need to invade discussions everywhere they go? I don't loving read Kotaku in Action or watch Thunderfoot videos, but these fuckers feel the need to intrude any discussion everywhere.
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DStecks posted:Why the gently caress is it Gamergaters feel the need to invade discussions everywhere they go? I don't loving read Kotaku in Action or watch Thunderfoot videos, but these fuckers feel the need to intrude any discussion everywhere.
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Jan 16, 2016 03:26
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DStecks posted:Why the gently caress is it Gamergaters feel the need to invade discussions everywhere they go? I don't loving read Kotaku in Action or watch Thunderfoot videos, but these fuckers feel the need to intrude any discussion everywhere. It's the same reason religious people with pamphlets get in your face when you're trying to walk somewhere. The only thing in their lives that gives them any sense of meaning causes them to never shut up about it. Except instead of religion these people have hatred for all women.
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Jan 16, 2016 03:35
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Also, righteousness. They're morally and ideologically correct and they've got a duty to save you from the aGG/the Leftists. Anyone can be convinced with logic (after all, they were) and you've got a moral duty to convert as many as possible to the Right Way of being. Humans are really prone to cult formation.
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DStecks posted:Why the gently caress is it Gamergaters feel the need to invade discussions everywhere they go? I don't loving read Kotaku in Action or watch Thunderfoot videos, but these fuckers feel the need to intrude any discussion everywhere. You do realize that there are people of every possible political/social/religious leanings that are rear end in a top hat preachy ideologues right?
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Jan 16, 2016 03:44
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420 Gank Mid posted:You do realize that there are people of every possible political/social/religious leanings that are rear end in a top hat preachy ideologues right? #NotOnlyGamerGate
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Jan 16, 2016 04:58
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420 Gank Mid posted:You do realize that there are people of every possible political/social/religious leanings that are rear end in a top hat preachy ideologues right? I don't know any other political leaning or affiliation whose invasiveness makes it as impossible to discuss them. I'm not talking about people being preachy, I'm talking about any mention of feminism causing these people to crawl out of the woodwork like cockroaches.
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Jan 16, 2016 05:00
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It's because it's nerds feeling defensive about their lifestyle and political views. You are on a forum/forums that are populated almost exclusively by nerds. It's like trying to discuss taxes in an engineering workplace without libertarians overrunning the conversation.
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Jan 16, 2016 05:03
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But like cockroaches there is only one solution.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Oh good, tulpas make their triumphant return to PYF. Last time it was the brony mock thread way back in like 2012 and they were trying to make imaginary friend cartoon ponies and instead gave themselves meditation-induced schizophrenia. The tumblr thread has taken off. One of the tankies got hold of it and now all his friends are WTFing at HPMOR and Quirrellmort and tulpas aaaaand well it looks like this hilariously terrible and dangerous idea is quite firmly out there and being thoughtfully evaluated by third parties.
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It's also funny because you run into what Ian M. Banks called the Simming Problem which is basically you've created a lifeform in your head and now you've got responsibilities towards it. Certainly there are a few ways to resolve the dilemma, but for people who are inclined to believe we're also simulations the most expedient (stop devoting part of your brain to a parasite) is problematic at best.
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Peztopiary posted:It's also funny because you run into what Ian M. Banks called the Simming Problem which is basically you've created a lifeform in your head and now you've got responsibilities towards it. Certainly there are a few ways to resolve the dilemma, but for people who are inclined to believe we're also simulations the most expedient (stop devoting part of your brain to a parasite) is problematic at best.
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Jan 16, 2016 11:21
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Well sure, but a tulpa and a Persona are different things. Tulpas are significantly more individualized than a Persona. Your version of Coyote is not just the Trickster wearing a mask. As for it being too computer oriented that's a legit complaint, but I'm trying to talk in their idiom.
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Jan 16, 2016 11:35
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Nessus posted:Couldn't you just dissolve your Persona back into the sea of the unconsciousness or something? Maybe not everything is exactly like modern electronic computer design. For people actually invested in that stuff it'd be like killing a pet or a friend.
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Terrible Opinions posted:It's because it's nerds feeling defensive about their lifestyle and political views. You are on a forum/forums that are populated almost exclusively by nerds. It's like trying to discuss taxes in an engineering workplace without libertarians overrunning the conversation. I think it's even more that there are a bunch of people in the movement that just plain can't tolerate any questioning of their views, so they fight like motherfuckers to try and shout it down, aiming for that one sweet day when nobody bothers to say that maybe the uncritical pursuit of video game escapism as lifestyle is at best a hollow, sad endeavor. In short, probably untreated mental illness.
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RagnarokAngel posted:For people actually invested in that stuff it'd be like killing a pet or a friend. Some of them find themselves wholly unable to get rid of the thing and it starts tormenting them because it's not the real rainbow dash it's just a schizophrenic voice in their head with the projected body of rainbow dash.
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Jan 16, 2016 17:52
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Wait, I don't understand. Rationalists are getting headmates now?
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Jack Gladney posted:It's the same reason religious people with pamphlets get in your face when you're trying to walk somewhere. The only thing in their lives that gives them any sense of meaning causes them to never shut up about it. Except instead of religion these people have hatred for all women. I'd hate them less if they converted to Mormonism and became door to door missionaries, because at least then I could close the door in their faces.
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crazypenguin posted:Wait, I don't understand. In the same way that "goons are" doing so; i.e. they're a weird nerd community so they have weird nerd subgroups, but that particular one (like most) wouldn't usefully generalize to the whole. There's definitely a thread of interest in occultism among the "post-rationalist" crowd (which is broader and more interesting than the DE-adjacent Twitter clique that this thread, not unjustly, loves to mock.)
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Some of them find themselves wholly unable to get rid of the thing and it starts tormenting them because it's not the real rainbow dash it's just a schizophrenic voice in their head with the projected body of rainbow dash. Wait, are you saying that these people are genuinely self-inducing schizophrenia? Because that does not sound medically possible.
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Schizotypal disorders are a thing.
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DStecks posted:Wait, are you saying that these people are genuinely self-inducing schizophrenia? Because that does not sound medically possible. They're inducing hallucinations through repeated, practiced meditation specifically attempting to induce hallucinations. I can't really say if the underlying brain mechanisms are the same as in "real" schizophrenia but the symptoms sure are similar. Meditation is surprisingly good at doing weird poo poo to your brain, both good and bad.
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Here's a scholarly article about it to back it up since I know it just sounds like new-age bullshit at face value: http://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/108125
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crazypenguin posted:Wait, I don't understand. A handy tip (  or a Bayesian Prior if you prefer) is that if you have to self-identify as rational you probably aren't.
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The while loving point of tulpas is the come to the understanding that it was all in your head to begin with anyway, the stupid shits.
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DE and asianophiles not understanding the underlying messages in things, color me shocked when their dogma is meant to be idiosyncratic.
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Annointed posted:DE and asianophiles not understanding the underlying messages in things nydwracu posted:And yet, when I quote Satsuki Kiryuin, people think I’m joking.
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But...Satsuki was the bad guy...her philosophy was completely useless and she only got anywhere by abandoning fascism. That wasn't even subtle, it was a huge obvious plot point the entire second half of the series hinged on!
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I thought kotaku was a site about anime titties, why are those dorks mad at it now?
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WickedHate posted:But...Satsuki was the bad guy...her philosophy was completely useless and she only got anywhere by abandoning fascism. That wasn't even subtle, it was a huge obvious plot point the entire second half of the series hinged on! Exactly.
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Forgall posted:I thought kotaku was a site about anime titties, why are those dorks mad at it now? They post about video games without being gamergaters, therefore they bad.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:when I was a suicidally depressed teen with major brain problems i used to get suicidal urges when someone or something i liked expressed an opinion of a certain kind that i at the time considered both wrong and about an important topic. something about the internet being my escape from the rest of the awful world yet still running into "awful" people did it.
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Tumblr rationalist posted:I, for one, love H. P. Lovecraft, the person, in an uncomplicated, unproblematized way. He was an adorable attic-hermit Traditionalist cat person neurotic socially-anxious NERD and when I read about him I always think “that’s My Kind Of Person”. He is Ingroup. HPL posted:The only thing that makes life endurable where Blacks abound is the Jim Crow principle, and I wish they'd apply it in New York both to Niggers and to the more Asiatic types of puffy, ratfaced Jews!
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Cingulate posted:But therapy didn't help you cope better with those situations when they did occur (besides for making you more stable in your life in general), it just helped you make the choices required to encounter such situations less often? Or am I misreading you? Not putting your damp hand into a plug socket will also prevent electric shocks and is a better way of preventing it than just drying your hands. Is "unproblematized" a word, and if so what does it mean?
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WickedHate posted:But...Satsuki was the bad guy...her philosophy was completely useless and she only got anywhere by abandoning fascism. That wasn't even subtle, it was a huge obvious plot point the entire second half of the series hinged on! These are people who go around calling themselves 'Sith Lords' thinking it makes them look clever. "But what if...the bad guy had a point and was actually just Making Hard Choices!" is the damp poo poo these idiots germinate in.
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Josef bugman posted:Is "unproblematized" a word, and if so what does it mean? When rationalists like a lovely person, they aren't liking said person as is, but a more meta conception of them where they're not a lovely person. Here's how you rationally go about being friends with neoreactionaries.
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Merdifex posted:When rationalists like a lovely person, they aren't liking said person as is, but a more meta conception of them where they're not a lovely person. Here's how you rationally go about being friends with neoreactionaries. To be fair I would say that's how most people feel about most celebrities they like. The weirdness comes from trying to justify it. You can't just pull back the curtain, push it back down and then expect everyone to carry on like they didn't see what's on the other side of the curtain
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