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Ibogaine
Aug 11, 2015

RagnarokAngel posted:

I can't wait till we get past the civil war I feel too many decisions are based on how the person feels about slaves because...yeah.

Yeah, I can't wait to switch from the "Abolish Slavery!" platform to the "Full Communism Now!" one, either.

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TEAYCHES
Jun 23, 2002

All my decisions are based on strengthening the bourgeois state and industrial capitalism as a necessary stage before implementing socialism. You can't seize the means of production if you don't have that first.

Takanago
Jun 2, 2007

You'll see...
I just can't wait until we get to the point where I can start deciding my vote based solely on political cartoons

SpRahl
Apr 22, 2008

RagnarokAngel posted:

I can't wait till we get past the civil war I feel too many decisions are based on how the person feels about slaves because...yeah.

Well speaking of slavery were there any serious movements after the war to "bring it back" or something?

Ibogaine posted:

Yeah, I can't wait to switch from the "Abolish Slavery!" platform to the "Full Communism Now!" one, either.
Eugene Debs the eternal president.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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TEAYCHES posted:

All my decisions are based on strengthening the bourgeois state and industrial capitalism as a necessary stage before implementing socialism. You can't seize the means of production if you don't have that first.

god drat menshaviks


Takanago posted:

I just can't wait until we get to the point where I can start deciding my vote based solely on political cartoons

An image of the future...

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

TEAYCHES posted:

All my decisions are based on strengthening the bourgeois state and industrial capitalism as a necessary stage before implementing socialism. You can't seize the means of production if you don't have that first.

Same. It'd be good if we could skip that, but that's not possible through this government. We'd have better chance of kick starting the Civil War earlier and wresting the union away from the Bourgeoisie and Planter Aristocrats at the same time during the chaos.

e: Taft had the right idea. More pie for everyone!

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

QuoProQuid posted:

god drat menshaviks


An image of the future...



Taft forever

oystertoadfish
Jun 17, 2003

SpRahl posted:

Well speaking of slavery were there any serious movements after the war to "bring it back" or something?

immediately after the war southerners used vagrancy laws and unilateral contracts to tie black workers to the land, but reconstruction gave the freed slaves the vote, which resulted in the real but meager gain of escaping gang labor and allowing individual black families to operate as economic units, with parents deciding how much their kids would labor, even if they were still living on the same master's land and stuck in debt slavery paying him more for food than he paid them for their cotton.

that's sharecropping, and it worked - by 1870 america was already growing more cotton than it had in 1860 - partly because poor white southerners who had been subsistence farmers before the war became cotton growers just like the black sharecroppers on the former plantations. it took some investments in bureaucracy, transportation infrastructure, and bringing things like those vagrancy laws in to use the state as an overseer - it's not a victory of free labor, it's a victory of modern forms of coercion over the forms used in slavery, as we can see by the descent of poor whites into pretty close to the same situation the former slaves were in. soon, southern white terrorism overcome the northern appetite for military occupation and black political rights were extinguished in the south for almost a century, freezing the sharecroppers in place basically until the great migrations of the early 20th century

that's the impression i get from this book empire of cotton. here's some more context of what i can understand from memory, having read the chapter about this last night:

the blacks had wanted to become subsistence farmers, which made most of their former northern supporters cast them off as 'lazy' (not all, thaddeus stevens and a few other radical republicans were willing to accept lower cotton profits), but the same processes that drew poor whites into the cotton trade made it impossible for blacks to stay out. from what i can understand, new railroads and the expanding market economy allowed poor farmers to sell lots of cotton with low transportation costs, but also led to them going into debt buying both consumer goods and the food they weren't growing for themselves any more. meanwhile, the price of cotton dropped with increasing supply but southern farmers couldn't grow anything else their creditors would accept as collateral because cotton was still reliably saleable, so the farmers kept falling behind, their debt increased, and as time went on more and more farmers dropped from owning or leasing land to being pure agricultural wage laborers

at the same time the former plantation owners and now major landlords remained locally rich but lost pace with elites from other regions. cotton manufacturers paid less money for more cotton and held more and more debt from the farmers they were buying from. it made the south poorer but kept the world cotton industry running on southern cotton, which no-one had expected when emancipation first hit

the same thing happened to farmers in india, egypt, and the ottoman empire. in egypt the landlords' mortgaged their farms to british creditors on a massive scale, which led to the british occupying the country for about forty years to guarantee their investments.

probably not totally accurate, but it's what i can remember

Loel
Jun 4, 2012

"For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.



Sounds like a good book to pair with "Slavery by Another Name."

But yes, slavery just changed into a more palatable form, it never died :D

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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Thank you all for voting. In a stunning landslide, DeWitt Clinton has become His Elective Majesty, the President of the United States. Already, Clinton is meeting with allies from across the country, such as Secretary of War Calhoun and Speaker of the House Clay, to make sure that his vision of an economically self-sufficient America becomes reality.

Clinton has also gently thanked the country for delivering him the extremely capable Daniel D. Tompkins to the Vice Presidency. Hopefully, Tompkins will visit Washington, D.C. at least once to attend the Inauguration.

RESULTS BREAKDOWN

Most Popular Ticket:

DeWitt Clinton / N/A (Independent) - 54 votes (80.6%)
James Monroe / Daniel D. Tompkins (Democratic-Republican) - 8 votes (11.9%)
James Monroe / Daniel Rodney (Democratic-Republican/ Federalist) - 3 votes (4.5%)
James Monroe / Richard Stockton (Democratic-Republican/ Federalist) - 2 votes (3%)

Most Popular Parties:

None - 54 votes
Democratic-Republican Party - 13 votes
Federalist Party - 5 votes

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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ELECTION OF 1824
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Background:

By 1820, James Monroe had largely succeeded in his effort to fuse the Federalist and Democratic-Republican Parties into a single camp. Hopeful that the United States might move beyond partisan politics and embrace the political independence advocated by George Washington, Monroe and his allies declared a new “Era of Good Feelings” where future Presidents would be selected by national consensus with a public mandate to support them.

Monroe’s dream died in 1823 when he realized that there would be no one to continue this legacy. Monroe’s Vice President, Daniel Tompkins, died less than three months into his presidency as a universally unpopular man. The Democratic Congressional caucus’s nominee, William Crawford, suffered a massive stroke weeks after his selection, engendering accusations of corruption. John Quincy Adams seemed like a likely consensus candidate, until prominent Congressional politicians accused him of being a Federalist pseudo-monarchist in Democratic-Republican clothing. Though he is popular with the base, most prominent party leaders have dismissed the uneducated Andrew Jackson as a serious contender. Thus, James Monroe has been forced to watch his party descend into sectional chaos. Each region of the United States has supported a different candidate and has refused to withdraw their nominee, despite fears of causing a run-off election in the House.

There are only two major policy issue in this election. First, the country is divided over the American System, a Hamiltonian economic plan advocated by Henry Clay and John Calhoun that seeks to establish American economic-self sufficiency. Running counter to the Federalist notion of a single unifying national economy, the American System hopes to build specialization among the different states through tariffs and internal improvements. It also envisions a Bank of the United States whose role is to stabilize currency and rein in risky investments by state banks. Though the West and South oppose the tariff policies, many hope that the promise of internal improvements will be enticing enough to get their support.

Second, the country is increasingly concerned with corruption. With political clubs like Tammany Hall gaining increasing sway and the influence of monied interests becoming increasingly transparent, many in the public are afraid that the American Revolution has become subverted. Many see the system as intentionally rigged in favor of political, social, and economic elites. For the least wealthy and most oppressed classes, many see their only chance in a political outsider like Andrew Jackson. As the hero of the Battle of New Orleans, the defender against Indian incursions, and an advocate for Westward expansion, Jackson is viewed in much of the South and East as a new George Washington who can return American government to the people.

The Candidates:

NORTHEASTERN DEMOCRATIC-REPUBLICAN PARTY CANDIDATES:


Presidential Nominee: John Quincy Adams
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic-Republican Party
  • Notable Positions: United States Secretary of State, United States Ambassador to the United Kingdom, United States Ambassador to Russia, United States Ambassador to Prussia, United States Ambassador to the Netherlands, United States Senator from Massachusetts, United States Representative from Massachusetts
  • Biography: John Quincy Adams is the son of former President John Adams, who trained his son to excel in the foreign service. At the age of ten, he accompanied his father to Paris, where he became fluent in French. Over the next seven years, John Quincy lived in Paris, Amsterdam, and St. Petersburg, and eventually attended the prestigious University of Leiden. After returning to the United States, he served as his father’s secretary, helped negotiate the Treaty of Paris, which ended the Revolutionary War, and graduated from Harvard. John Quincy has served every President since George Washington and most recently served James Monroe’s Secretary of State. He played a major role in articulating the Monroe Doctrine and negotiating the Adams-Onis Treaty.
  • Platform: John Quincy Adams represents a fusion of Jeffersonian individualism and Federalist concern for national strength, a type of politician also embodied in men like DeWitt Clinton. Adams believes that the role of the federal government is to sponsor publics works projects and to improve the overall condition of society. He has advocated the construction of internal improvements, including roads, canals, harbors, and bridges, and has joined with Henry Clay to support the “American System,” which hopes to achieve a self-sufficient but regionally specialized economy. This plan has been criticized, both for its use of the military in non-martial purposes and because it would benefit some parts of the country more than others. Adams has not made any statements regarding the use of protective tariffs to ensure the economy’s survival and his state's delegation in Congress is divided over the issue. Jackson and his allies have implied that Adams only seeks to enrich New England’s merchant class at the rest of the country’s expense. In other affairs, Adams supports opening up trade with markets in Europe and South America and rapprochement with the British. He hopes to resolve ongoing trade disputes with the British West Indies and Canada. He adamantly opposes slavery, and many plantation owners fear that the President will use foreign ties to force the country into emancipation. Though he wishes to remove the Native Americans from the South, Adams believes that he has a duty to treaty the Indians as equals and to abide by existing treaties with them. He supports purchasing land from the tribes, not merely annexing them. Adams has often turned a blind eye to corruption and patronage to ensure the passage of his agenda.

SOUTHERN DEMOCRATIC-REPUBLICAN PARTY CANDIDATES:


Presidential Nominee: Andrew Jackson
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic-Republican Party
  • Notable Positions: Military Governor of Florida, United States Senator from Tennessee, United States Representative from Tennessee, General in the American Army
  • Biography: Andrew Jackson is the first “self-made man” of the United States and the first Westerner with a real chance of winning the White House. Born in Waxhaw, South Carolina to Scotch-Irish immigrants, Jackson spent his early life fighting in the Revolutionary War and studying law. In 1788, he moved to Nashville, Tennessee, where he fell in love with Rachel Donelson Robards, who had been abandoned by her husband. A prosecutor, judge, congressman, and senator, Jackson distinguished himself within Tennessee as an advocate of the people. It was only in the Battle for New Orleans in 1814, however, that he became known nationally. Hoping to use the victory to support themselves, Madison and Monroe elevated the battle in almost mythic proportions. Consequently, Jackson has become a type of modern George Washington.
  • Platform: Andrew Jackson’s candidacy rests on two pillars: his success during the War of 1812 and his vague demand for “reform.” Having witnessed first-hand the willingness of industrial businessmen and monied interests to exploit the poor, Andrew Jackson promises a crusade against the country's elites, beginning with the Bank of the United States. He has demanded an expansion of democracy and the elimination of undemocratic institutions, like the Electoral College. He has promised to eliminate patronage and the political machines that have popped up around the country. Jackson tepidly supports Clay’s proposed American System, which seeks to build a self-sufficient national economy, and is especially interested in using it to improve national transportation. He worries, however, about the program’s potential to be tyrannous and to disproportionately benefit the North. He supports mild tariffs as a way of supporting this system, despite its unpopularity in the South. Jackson is an avid proponent of slavery and national expansion. He views the native tribes to be a threat to American interests and has promised to bring them to heel if elected. He sees Mexico as ripe for American expansion.


Vice Presidential Nominee: John Caldwell Calhoun
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic-Republican Party
  • Notable Positions: United States Secretary of War, United States Representative from South Carolina
  • Biography: John Caldwell Calhoun is one of the country’s leading politicians, theorists, and nationalists. Born in 1782 to a Scotch-Irish immigrant, Calhoun spent much of his early life working on his family’s farm in South Carolina and only managed to attend Yale College with his brothers’ financial support. Using the connections he made in Yale, Calhoun was able to achieve a seat in the United States House of Representatives, where he distinguished himself as a “war hawk” in favor of the War of 1812 and an aggressive proponent of Madison’s policies. For his passionate support, Calhoun was made Chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs where he struggled to overcome opposition from Webster, Macon, and Randolph to raise taxes or institute a draft. Under Monroe, Calhoun served as the Secretary of War where he sought to establish an effective navy.
  • Platform: Calhoun is an avid proponent of nationalism and modernization and is a leading backer of Clay's proposed American System. Hoping to transform the United States from an economic backwater into a self-sufficient hegemon, Calhoun has embraced the ideas of Alexander Hamilton. His ideas rest on three mutually reinforcing parts: a strong national bank to foster commerce, federal subsidies for roads, canals, and other internal improvements, and the institution of protective tariffs to protect and promote American industry. Though he recognizes the evils of slavery, Calhoun is the first man of any authority to argue that slavery is a net good, for its economic benefits, and has opposed any attempts to limit its expansion. He opposes a strong military, as he fears it will be used to entangle the United States abroad. Calhoun is also noted for advocating against the use of force on Native Americans. He hopes to set up a system of voluntary land exchange to ensure American expansion without violence. Calhoun loathes John Quincy Adams.

WESTERN DEMOCRATIC-REPUBLICAN PARTY CANDIDATES:


Presidential Nominee:William Harris Crawford
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic-Republican Party
  • Notable Positions: United States Secretary of the Treasury, United States Secretary of War, United States Ambassador to France, President pro tempore of the United States Senate,United States Senator from Georgia
  • Biography: William Crawford is one of the most powerful men in the country and the leading figure of the Democratic-Republican Party’s congressional caucus. First elected in 1803, Crawford made his name opposing Alexander Hamilton’s financial plans and that of his successors. Uncertain of the War of 1812’s outcome, Crawford declined a position in Madison’s Cabinet as the Secretary of War and only accepted a seat as Secretary of the Treasury to support his personal financial position. From this position, he has built a robust coalition of allies both in Congress and across the federal government. Though many expected Crawford to be the presidential nominee in 1824, Crawford suffered a deliberating stroke in 1823 that has impaired him both physically and mentally. Though he insists that he is still capable, most of Crawford’s supporters have abandoned the ailing man for other candidates.
  • Platform: Crawford’s political views are more defined by personal pragmaticism than ideological consistency. In 1807, Crawford opposed the Embargo Act of 1807, which made any and all exports from the United States illegal, but favored strong tariffs when they became popular amongst his constituency. Currently, Crawford supports federally funded internal improvements and the Bank of the United States, but speaks passionately about the need to limit the power of the Federal government. Crawford is a strong proponent of slavery and hopes to see it expanded. As the Congressional nominee of the Democratic-Republican Party, many think that Crawford would be the most successful of the candidates in getting his agenda passed. He has used his position as Secretary of the Treasury to support patronage and build a strong network of supporters.


Vice Presidential Nominee: Nathaniel Macon
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic-Republican Party
  • Notable Positions: Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, United States Senator from North Carolina, United States Representative from North Carolina
  • Biography: Macon is known in private as the “Jefferson of North Carolina,” a humorless old man committed to restricting government in any form. The son of a wealthy North Carolina tobacco farmer, Macon first came to public prominence as a private in the Revolutionary War and as an eloquent public speaker against the Constitution. After serving in the North Carolina Senate, a position he detested, Macon was elevated to serve in the United States Senate where he remains one of the few remaining links to the old Antifederalist movement. Though he has never sought to serve in politics, Macon is extremely influential in North Carolina and the Old Republican movement. He owns a small plantation in Warren County and hopes to one day retire there as a modern day Cincinnatus.
  • Platform: There are few men as consistently committed to small government and state’s rights as Macon. A vocal opponent of the Constitution, Macon has spent four decades in Congress to ensure the national government remains weak. He loathed Hamilton and has tried to end the Treasury. He opposed both conscription and stopped any efforts to raise taxes during the War of 1812, though he tepidly supported Madison’s Presidency. He has consistently opposed the types of internal improvements promoted by DeWitt Clinton, Henry Clay, and others. He has opposed the national government’s attempts to regulate slavery, and only voted in favor of the Missouri Compromise to prevent the North from enforcing an even worse compromise. He opposes tariffs, the United Supreme Court, and the expansion of national suffrage . In summary, Macon is a radically opposed to almost every policy and innovation. His friends in Congress say that “negation [is] his wand and arm.”

EASTERN DEMOCRATIC-REPUBLICAN PARTY CANDIDATES:


Presidential Nominee: Henry Clay
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic-Republican Party
  • Notable Positions: Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, United States Representative from Kentucky, United States Senator from Kentucky, President of the American Colonization Society
  • Biography: Henry Clay is one of the most influential men in the country and the leading figure of the post-Macon United States Congress. Born in Hanover County, Virginia, Clay unexpectedly joined the planter class at age four when his father died, leaving him and his brother with two slaves each. Using his family’s connections, Clay became friends with George Wythe, who was a mentor to Thomas Jefferson, John Marshall, and many other prominent Virginians, and was eventually admitted to the bar. Known for his oratory and legal skills, Clay was admitted to the United States Senate despite being under the constitutionally required age of thirty. Clay’s spport for the War of 1812 allowed him to accelerate his career and achieve the Speakership. Under Clay, the position has evolved from a mere parliamentarian to one of political power second only to the President.
  • Platform: Henry Clay is a supporter of the American System, which is rooted in the ideas of Alexander Hamilton. Believing in the necessity of tariffs to fight off British economic imperialism, Clay has reluctantly supported internal improvements to infrastructure and the sale of public land in the Western states. He also supports a national bank to stabilize currency and regulate the national economy. In foreign policy, Clay is known as a jingoist and has frequently called the country to assist in revolutions abroad. He was a key figure in supporting the War of 1812, an early supporter of the independence movements in Latin America, and has recently taken on the cause of Greek independence from the Ottoman Empire. Though he strongly supports slavery, and rarely goes anywhere without one or two slaves accompanying him at all times, Clay reluctantly supported the Missouri Compromise as a way of ensuring national unity. He has recently become President of the American Colonization Society and hopes to deport freed blacks who may threaten the planter class. Clay is also noted for his sympathy for the native tribes. Though he believes that the Native Americans are lower lifeforms who can never be assimilated into the American nation, he believes that their right to land should be respected.


Vice Presidential Nominee: Nathan Sanford
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic-Republican Party
  • Notable Positions: Chancellor of New York, United States Senator from New York, Speaker in the New York State Assembly, New York State Assemblyman, New York State Senator, United States Attorney for the District of New York
  • Biography: Nathan Sanford is a prominent legal mind from New York City. An alumnus of Yale University, Sanford was first appointed by President Thomas Jefferson to serve as a U.S. Bankruptcy Commissioner. From his administrative successes there, Sanford was able to elevate himself to a position as U.S. Attorney for the District of New York. For his tough stances on crime, Sanford was elected to the New York Assembly and later was elected to the United States Senate. However, his close relationship with DeWitt Clinton led Sanford to be replaced by the up-and-coming politician, Martin Van Buren.
  • Platform: Nathan Sanford is a Democratic-Republican in the mold of DeWitt Clinton, believing that the Jeffersonian principles of personal liberty and states rights need to be tempered by a strong national economy. He is a strong supporter of the American System and has pointed to the successes of the Erie Canal to support it. He is ambivalent over the accusations of corruption and patronage that Jacksonians have used. He has made no statements on slavery, but believes in the need to expand suffrage. In 1821, Sanford introduced an amendment to the New York Constitution which would have abolished property ownership as a qualification for voting

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
welcome aboard president for life John Quincy Adams, may death come quickly to his enemies

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Raskolnikov38 posted:

welcome aboard president for life John Quincy Adams, may death come quickly to his enemies

The coastal elites are already threatening us Real Americans with murder. Come on, y'all, let's put some frontier motherfuckers in the White House!

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon
Voting the the Donald Trump of the early 1800s

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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Aliquid posted:

The coastal elites are already threatening us Real Americans with murder. Come on, y'all, let's put some frontier motherfuckers in the White House!



JOHN ADAMS: "Hurra for our son "Jack."

GOOD WESTERN PATRIOTS: "Hurra for our Jacks-'son.'" :smug:

DIRTY IRISHMAN: "Blast my eyes if I dont "venter" a "small" horn of rotgut on that "bald filly" in the middle [Adams]."

John Dough posted:

Voting the the Donald Trump of the early 1800s



THE PRESS'S TREATMENT OF ANDREW JACKSON

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Octatonic
Sep 7, 2010

I am looking to campaign and vote for whover has the strongest "murder Andrew Jackson, and burn his hometown to the ground" policy. Anyone willing to lobby me on that issue?

oystertoadfish
Jun 17, 2003

love how the slavery supporters are getting nastier and nastier. also love how the guy who likes it least has the guy who likes it most running with him as candidate for vp. at least adams and calhoun are talking about maybe not driving the civilized tribes into the west, that's kind of nice of them

anyway, i'll go for adams and calhoun because we all love former federalists from new england and maybe we can get adams to take his father's old presidential titles... inherit them if you will

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005


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Abner Cadaver II
Apr 21, 2009

TONIGHT!
I've been dreading this vote because I really, deeply love JQA and loving loathe Calhoun with every bone of my body.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



All hail the second coming of our lord and savior, the forever God-King Emperor John Quincy Adams, may he lay waste to all those who would see his reign challenged.

May Andrew Jackson roast in hell.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Jackson is a loser, in real life and in this thread.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Adams/Calhoun '24.

Ibogaine
Aug 11, 2015

Raskolnikov38 posted:

welcome aboard president for life John Quincy Adams, may death come quickly to his enemies

This sums up the way I am feeling better than I could put it.

Just like the LOrd gave us Jesus Christ, John Adams gave us John Quincy Adams. Anybody who is turning his back on him is turning his back on redemption itself.

Edit: Once JQA is elected, the constitution should be amended to make him president for life so that we can go without the divisive and ultimately distructive process of elections for the time being.

oystertoadfish
Jun 17, 2003

Ibogaine posted:

Edit: Once JQA is elected, the constitution should be amended to make him president for life so that we can go without the divisive and ultimately distructive process of elections for the time being.

until we can figure out what's going on

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012
drat, JQA is my first instinct but I'm not sure "buy their land instead of taking over" is "don't gently caress over Native Americans" enough for me. Yet at the same time Henry Clay is pro-slavery.

Octatonic
Sep 7, 2010

reignonyourparade posted:

drat, JQA is my first instinct but I'm not sure "buy their land instead of taking over" is "don't gently caress over Native Americans" enough for me. Yet at the same time Henry Clay is pro-slavery.

I mean, yeah, but still better imo than Andrew "Genocide rulz" Jackson.

E: i talk big on the Internet because if we had ever met, homeboy probably would have shot me.

Otherkinsey Scale
Jul 17, 2012

Just a little bit of sunshine!
I wish I could just cast an anti-vote for Andrew Jackson. That's all I really want out of this election.

Corek
May 11, 2013

by R. Guyovich

QuoProQuid posted:

Clinton has also gently thanked the country for delivering him the extremely capable Daniel D. Tompkins to the Vice Presidency. Hopefully, Tompkins will visit Washington, D.C. at least once to attend the Inauguration.

Tompkins for eternal VP.

edit:

quote:

Monroe’s Vice President, Daniel Tompkins, died less than three months into his presidency as a universally unpopular man.

:haw:

Corek
May 11, 2013

by R. Guyovich
Also wasn't Calhoun Adams' VP pick as well? He ended up being vice president, and on Wikipedia (I know) it says directly that Adams supporters put him on the ticket.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
I'm trying to not use historical knowledge to decide against Andrew Jackson because that seems against the spirit of the thread.

That said, JQA for life.

SpRahl
Apr 22, 2008

Octatonic posted:

I mean, yeah, but still better imo than Andrew "Genocide rulz" Jackson.

E: i talk big on the Internet because if we had ever met, homeboy probably would have shot me.

Pretty much the only reason to vote Jackson is fear that the fucker would rise from the grave and personally shoot you, because thats something he would do.

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012

RagnarokAngel posted:

I'm trying to not use historical knowledge to decide against Andrew Jackson because that seems against the spirit of the thread.

That said, JQA for life.

I'm pretty sure Andrew Jackson was already a literal war criminal at this point, no need to worry about future-knowledge.

Ibogaine
Aug 11, 2015
I would like to modify of my initial suggestion of making JQA President for life a little. In fact, he should become President For All Eternity, and once he died, we'll just mummify his corpse and turn the White House into his mausoleum. The people of the United States will still be allowed to vote for VPs, naturally, and we will rely on The Eternal President to rise again in this nation's greatest hour of need.

Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss goes 8-8

I'm about that Quincy life

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.
Henry Clay: right on the Ottoman Muslim Caliphate threat, right for America

Cthulhu Dreams
Dec 11, 2010

If I pretend to be Cthulhu no one will know I'm a baseball robot.
I wish you could vote for JQA + Nathan Sanford. As an Australian my knowledge of american history begins in 1861, I had no idea of how much a terrible person Andrew Jackson is.

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Sax Mortar
Aug 24, 2004

Cthulhu Dreams posted:

I wish you could vote for JQA + Nathan Sanford. As an Australian my knowledge of american history begins in 1861, I had now idea of how much a terrible person Andrew Jackson is.

Good thing we put him on our money for some reason.

SpRahl
Apr 22, 2008

troubled teen posted:

Good thing we put him on our money for some reason.

If it helps that fact would probably piss him off to no end.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

troubled teen posted:

Good thing we put him on our money for some reason.

putting jackson on the twenty is the greatest historical troll of all time and i salute whoever came up with it all those decades ago

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Sax Mortar
Aug 24, 2004

Raskolnikov38 posted:

putting jackson on the twenty is the greatest historical troll of all time and i salute whoever came up with it all those decades ago

He was also on (at various times) the $5, the $10, the $50, the $10,000 and the Confederate $1,000. Because lol.

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