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Combed Thunderclap posted:This isn't really competitive yet, I really do love Bernie and what he's doing for this primary let's not get carried away. That's only with democrat past primary voters, overall it's far closer with independents, new voters, and republican switchers Also state polls of Iowa and NH are better indicators of a future election than national polls, thus why Hillary is starting to be scared It's pretty competitive, but it still favors Hillary.
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Where is Killer Mike? I was promised Killer Mike as post-debate hype man.
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Joementum posted:She's not. Minority votes don't count for Bernie Sanders. Like, really. For the Sanders campaign, they'll count within the margin of error to be statistically significant within Iowa. Why are the first two primaries in the whitest states in our nation, again?
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Combed Thunderclap posted:It's closer than expected, in that HRC hasn't already clinched it, but nationally she's up by 25 freaking points in the primary. That was single WSJ poll which only included same vague criteria for committed voters. Let's look at the overall trending for the race on the national level: 
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Not a Step posted:Why do you not live in one of them? none of them are my home? thanks for the left-liberal equivalent of "if you don't like it you can get out"
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My Imaginary GF posted:Clinton does have a vision for America and a strategy to achieve it. You could just go read Sanders policy posts, he's got pretty clear facts on how his legislation would be once he gets enough people to pass his legislation
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Joementum posted:But I thought he fell down on that question about the VT single payer plan. He should have been prepared for that. It was an opportunity to explain how his healthcare plan makes sense, even if it raises taxes, but he totally faceplanted on it. he addressed it later on by talking about a slight middle class tax increase in exchange for a larger reduction in health care expenses unfortunately not in context of the question about vermont's failure to pass single payer but that's kind of a different issue
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My Imaginary GF posted:Minority votes don't count for Bernie Sanders. South Carolina is the third if it makes you feel any better
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Puppy Galaxy posted:Seriously If anything it's a easier race this time around since the field was cleared from competition. In the last failed primary bid she had more competition from within the party.
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etalian posted:That was single WSJ poll which only included same vague criteria for committed voters. actually curious, can you throw me a link to that? i'm using this and this and they don't show that
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comes along bort posted:he addressed it later on by talking about a slight middle class tax increase in exchange for a larger reduction in health care expenses Which is going to be a real bitch to explain to most voters, who will hear "Raise your taxes" and not "Get rid of premiums". Messaging is very important for something like that, but he has not figured out, IMO, how to actually do that here.
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Bad Caller posted:You could just go read Sanders policy posts, he's got pretty clear facts on how his legislation would be once he gets enough people to pass his legislation They are "facts" by being based upon assumptions which have no evidence behind them. Hillary Clinton represents evidence-based policy, while Sanders' policy proposals are the political akin to shooting blanks rapidly from the hip. Which, inidentally, is something you can do thanks to Sanders' votes against gun control.
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Bad Caller posted:You could just go read Sanders policy posts, he's got pretty clear facts on how his legislation would be once he gets enough people to pass his legislation uhhh big contestable point there
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Minsky posted:I'd say that's bad for him, yet his poll numbers keep going up. Because these debates have been cordoned off and then presented in a silly corporate one-sided way after, so it's not like Bernie has really even been using "mainstream TV" like this anyway. In fact that's probably Hillary's great weakness. She thinks people care about and follow the TV network's view of things WAYYYY more than is realistic.
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why aren't there any actually committed socialists in the democratic debate?
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etalian posted:If anything it's a easier race this time around since the field was cleared from competition. If Bernie didn't run and Elizabeth Warren did instead Hillary would already be behind because the "get a woman in office" schtick would mean some female voters wouldn't one issue vote.
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Logikv9 posted:obama is a god-tier candidate and campaigner, and the fact that she still put up a legitimate fight in the 2008 primaries shows that she isn't exactly a lightweight Seriously she is the only one in the last 8 years that came close to beating Obama. NH and Iowa ( can't remember what the 2 letter abbreviation for it is ) are 2 little white states for a party that is mostly minorities.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:It's closer than expected, in that HRC hasn't already clinched it, but nationally she's up by 25 freaking points in the primary. In one poll
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Bad Caller posted:South Carolina is the third if it makes you feel any better It figures that in America, any state with significant minority populations has to wait for the two whitest states to go first.
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So I asked this earlier, but I swear in my memories of earlier debates Hillary was a more fluid speaker. Tonight she sounded almost like William Shatner in places and more stammering overall. Anyone else hear that? Was she always that way?
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Logikv9 posted:actually curious, can you throw me a link to that? i'm using this and this and they don't show that I had graph dyslexia and posted the Iowa polls. So many graphs on that page
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Mayor Dave posted:why aren't there any actually committed socialists in the democratic debate? Because old people still think socialism is a dirty word. Democratic socialism is easier to sell due to other successful countries employing it.
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Tigntink posted:Because old people still think socialism is a dirty word. Democratic socialism is easier to sell due to other successful countries employing it. Democracy is an even easier sell. Unfortunately, that ain't what Sanders wants to sell.
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Tigntink posted:Because old people still think socialism is a dirty word. Democratic socialism is easier to sell due to other successful countries employing it. I was actually looking for "socialism is against human nature", thanks for playing though
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Not a Step posted:So I asked this earlier, but I swear in my memories of earlier debates Hillary was a more fluid speaker. Tonight she sounded almost like William Shatner in places and more stammering overall. Anyone else hear that? Was she always that way? Hillary was thinking before she responded. It's her primary contrast to Sanders: Hillary prefers accuracy over ideological purity.
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Logikv9 posted:uhhh big contestable point there It's what requires him elected to do anything, not really a contestable point but a truth Any Dem as prez won't get anything done with this current congress
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EugeneJ posted:I one poll Um  (that image goes back to late October) The full record EDIT: And yes, the overall trend is obviously interesting, but I still don't think Hillary's really faltering. We'll see after the first primary results.
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Logikv9 posted:obama is a god-tier candidate and campaigner, and the fact that she still put up a legitimate fight in the 2008 primaries shows that she isn't exactly a lightweight She had every paper advantage in the book such as recognition, endorsements, experience brag, political connections and still lost to Obama. A good amount is how HRC has crippling personality flaws such as surrounding herself with Yes men and also how she lashes out at people when things don't go her way.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Hillary was thinking before she responded. It's her primary contrast to Sanders: Hillary prefers accuracy over ideological purity. Have you ever jerked off while looking at Hillary Clinton Be honest
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haha ofc Snyder would say that, it's all his fault
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I was out but recorded the debate, did Hilldog win
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EugeneJ posted:In one poll and in other polls, its even higher!!!
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