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Chairman Pow! posted:As someone switching from standard to modern, I just don't get where modern fits into Wizard's picture. How does it make money for them? Why aren't they actually monetizing it in a way that draws players in? Because WOTC. They're really gun shy about reprint sets. When they do reprint stuff, the casual cards end up dropping in price permanently but most of the actual staples end up going back up. They played it real safe on the Modern Event Deck and even MM2 seemed to be a bit lacking (compared to MM1)
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Cernunnos posted:They printed a Modern event deck 2 years ago but the MSRP was $75 and the deck could be made from singles like a week later for ~$55-60 so they just kinda sat around on LGS shelves waiting to be bought and when they were finally bought it was at like $50 fire sale price. Of course now the Inquisitions are worth $75 on their own.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Of course now the Inquisitions are worth $75 on their own. There's only 2 in the deck not a full playset.
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The Shortest Path posted:So now that GR Tron has lost a bunch of its bad matchups and Bx Eldrazi is becoming a thing, I'm seriously considering putting U Tron together since it's really solid against both of those decks. The right answer is never "put U Tron together." AlternateNu posted:http://www.mtgstocks.com/cards/3665 It's VERY good. I played about 35 or so playtest games against my buddy (I was on GR Tron) and it felt like playing against the mirror in terms of power level of brokenness. And that was before Thought-Knot Seer was in his deck. T3 Conduit into T4 Ulamog isn't hard to do at all.
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Chairman Pow! posted:As someone switching from standard to modern, I just don't get where modern fits into Wizard's picture. How does it make money for them? Why aren't they actually monetizing it in a way that draws players in? http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/the-real-reason-splinter-twin-got-banned Modern can be profitable for WOTC but so far they have been really too timid about reprints/supplementary products and too aggressive when it comes to bans.
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Cernunnos posted:There's only 2 in the deck not a full playset. Thought there was three.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Thought there was three. NOPE
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Sickening posted:http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/the-real-reason-splinter-twin-got-banned That's a really interesting article! It seems like having more options for players added into modern, rather than removing options would be better for long term consumer enjoyment and growing your card game.
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Jan 18, 2016 16:24
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There is zero reason for Inquisition to not be a FNM promo so at minimum.
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AlternateNu posted:http://www.mtgstocks.com/cards/3665 Yes. Playing against the deck makes me think Jund and Tron had a Baby. Eldrazi Temple, Eye of Ugin, and Urborg combo has been compared to Workshops. It turns out that combining 2 Cards (Eye of Ugin and Urborg) to make a Eldrazi Workshop is pretty good. And Oath has given Eldrazi some serious value creatures. A turn 2 Thought Knot Seer, followed by a turn 3 Blight Herder (which you can then cash the Scion tokens to get ANOTHER Blight Herder) is a serious threat. And thats not even the most busted stuff the deck can do. Combine that with the inevitabitely of a deck that runs Ulamog and also has ways to tutor for him and it's really strong. Plus it gets
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mcmagic posted:There is zero reason for Inquisition to not be a FNM promo so at minimum. I hope they do more modern FNM promos. They had an excuse last summer with MM2015 so who knows what their next excuse will be. anglachel posted:Yes. Playing against the deck makes me think Jund and Tron had a Baby. Eldrazi Temple, Eye of Ugin, and Urborg combo has been compared to Workshops. It turns out that combining 2 Cards (Eye of Ugin and Urborg) to make a Eldrazi Workshop is pretty good. And Oath has given Eldrazi some serious value creatures. A turn 2 Thought Knot Seer, followed by a turn 3 Blight Herder (which you can then cash the Scion tokens to get ANOTHER Blight Herder) is a serious threat. Combine that with the inevitabitely of a deck that runs Ulamog and also has ways to tutor for him and it's really strong. Plus it gets I've been playing a black list with new cards in it. It gets tricky because Eye + Urborg still can't cast Thought Knot, but other than that, it is sick as hell. Oblivion Sower and Urborg is great because you can snag fetch lands and they don't go to waste. So uh post your lists people I want to try them out.
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Basically if you're playing modern, you need to be packing land destruction main deck and more in the board.
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Chairman Pow! posted:As someone switching from standard to modern, I just don't get where modern fits into Wizard's picture. How does it make money for them? Why aren't they actually monetizing it in a way that draws players in? The simple answer is that things would be easier for WOTC if you and other players just stuck to Standard, and so they're really not concerned with anything more than a token effort at making Modern more accessible.
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I think I picked the wrong hobby.
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Chairman Pow! posted:I think I picked the wrong hobby. I mean, the market isn't as bad as Yugioh's yet. I think.
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Ciprian Maricon posted:The simple answer is that things would be easier for WOTC if you and other players just stuck to Standard, and so they're really not concerned with anything more than a token effort at making Modern more accessible. Basically. I thought there would be some actual effort with Modern, but fool me once.
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mcmagic posted:Basically if you're playing modern, you need to be packing land destruction main deck and more in the board. Fulminator Mage is probably too cheap right now.
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Chairman Pow! posted:I think I picked the wrong hobby. Next thread title, anyone?
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Sickening posted:Fulminator Mage is probably too cheap right now. Get ready for the Fulminator ban. WotC's pet deck wasn't actually Twin, but GR Tron. They love Urza Evil Urza confirmed for SoI block.
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BizarroAzrael posted:I think it is A Thing or on it's way to being A Thing, but I think too many people think it should be a 4-of. I've used 2 and got annoyed a bunch by the legendary rule, 4 is way out. Im with you 100%, but I also think mono black isnt the best bet for the deck.
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BizarroAzrael posted:I think it is A Thing or on it's way to being A Thing, but I think too many people think it should be a 4-of. I've used 2 and got annoyed a bunch by the legendary rule, 4 is way out. It's hard to find a balance I'm finding. You really want at least Eye in your opening hand to make everything cheaper, and an Urborg just turbo charges it. Of course, duplicates are real bad. Having to crack maps to find either slows you down a bit, and your typical drops aren't quite the same power as Tron's typically are. I almost think going more pure aggro with the cheaper Eldrazi may be better, and cutting out the sower/herder/processor stuff. Balon posted:Im with you 100%, but I also think mono black isnt the best bet for the deck. alansmithee fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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alansmithee posted:It's hard to find a balance I'm finding. You really want at least Eye in your opening hand to make everything cheaper, and an Urborg just turbo charges it. Of course, duplicates are real bad. Having to crack maps to find either slows you down a bit, and your typical drops aren't quite the same power as Tron's typically are. I've been thinking less tron, more jund with my build. Go with fat, above-the-curve creatures with the format's best removal. The build I've been testing is BW, running Though Knots, Reality Smashers, Oblivion Sowers, 2 Endless Ones, 1 Newlamog - being white means you get to run RIP main, Paths, and Black's discard package. Live the dream with Turn 1 Relic, Turn 2 Though Knot, Turn 3 Reality Smasher Turn 4 Sower while your opponent whifs his turn 1 IoK.
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Sickening posted:Fulminator Mage is probably too cheap right now. Ghost Quarter is the next 5 dollar uncommon. Eye of Ugin is now over 40 and Stony Silence is over 10. LOL mcmagic fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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Commander changes: The Commander-specific mulligan is gone! We now use regular mulligans like regular goddamn people. The first mulligan is free in multiplayer, which is also part of Magic's normal rules. You can now generate mana outside of your general's color identity. No more Urborg letting you generate colorless, which wasn't the reason it was changed, because balance-wise who cared, there weren't enough playable colorless-only-costing things to matter. But now it's simpler for players. Like mana burn, it was a rule that was mostly hidden until it mattered in one game, so it's good to get rid of it. Prophet of Kruphix is banned! This alone might get me to bring out my Commander decks to my LGS again. What an oppressive card. Once the UG player cast it, the game was over, because suddenly every turn was their turn. I've been calling for its ban since it came out.
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I had long since taken Celestial Dawn out of my gift goat deck anyway. It was a pretty miserable card.
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Balon posted:Im with you 100%, but I also think mono black isnt the best bet for the deck. I do BW, is that what you mean? Or totally colorless or another combo? I think part of the answer might be more Expedition Maps, which is also good when you need stuff exiled from yard and can afford to fetch and drop Bojuka Bog. I'm going to start playing with 1-2 Skittering Claws in addition to the set of Relics too, for a little more card draw. Of course, post-Oath it may no longer be processor-driven and want colorless sources. Might just call for painlands though.
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Is there any potential in ramming eldrazi and tron together for colorless wonderland? It would basically remove colored mana from the deck because 24ish lands would be colorless, but seems like it'd be a fun weird deck to gently caress around with.
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BJPaskoff posted:Prophet of Kruphix is banned! This alone might get me to bring out my Commander decks to my LGS again. What an oppressive card. Once the UG player cast it, the game was over, because suddenly every turn was their turn. I've been calling for its ban since it came out.
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Ramos posted:I had long since taken Celestial Dawn out of my gift goat deck anyway. It was a pretty miserable card. And didn't even work on MTGO, which is the only time I want to play a miserable card.
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Cynic Jester posted:Is there any potential in ramming eldrazi and tron together for colorless wonderland? It would basically remove colored mana from the deck because 24ish lands would be colorless, but seems like it'd be a fun weird deck to gently caress around with. The reason you need colored spells is for consistency and the ability to react to what your opponent is doing. You're not going to find anything like Ancient Stirrings in colorless to help assemble the specific lands you need and you're not going to get any early game disruption without black. Playing colorless alone is asking for a lot of dead end hands where your opponent steamrolls you over while you do nothing.
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So does anyone else think Sylvan Advocate has the potential to be stupid good? Isn't this guy gonna be the better part of a Tarmogoyf plus an additional upside a lot of the time? Plus recurrable with Ojutai's Command, seems real good to me.
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BizarroAzrael posted:I do BW, is that what you mean? Or totally colorless or another combo? Yes I run BW. I run 4 Caves as well, but I might not want 4. 1 Waste to grab off a path potentially. I run 2 RIP main, 3 Relics, 1 Claws, 2 maps. I might be placing too much emphasis on the processing angle but you still really want to shut off decks that like the yard and enable your oblivion sower (and strangers in from the board). As I mention above, the emphasis on this build is more midrange than processor-centric.
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stinkles1112 posted:So does anyone else think Sylvan Advocate has the potential to be stupid good? Isn't this guy gonna be the better part of a Tarmogoyf plus an additional upside a lot of the time? Plus recurrable with Ojutai's Command, seems real good to me. 6 lands is a lot and it doesn't really do anything otherwise
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stinkles1112 posted:So does anyone else think Sylvan Advocate has the potential to be stupid good? Isn't this guy gonna be the better part of a Tarmogoyf plus an additional upside a lot of the time? Plus recurrable with Ojutai's Command, seems real good to me. Remember Scute Mob and how everyone tried to make it work for a month?
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stinkles1112 posted:So does anyone else think Sylvan Advocate has the potential to be stupid good? Isn't this guy gonna be the better part of a Tarmogoyf plus an additional upside a lot of the time? Plus recurrable with Ojutai's Command, seems real good to me. You first have to ask yourself this, he is good enough when his condition isn't met? If the answer is no then he probably won't see play.
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stinkles1112 posted:So does anyone else think Sylvan Advocate has the potential to be stupid good? Isn't this guy gonna be the better part of a Tarmogoyf plus an additional upside a lot of the time? Plus recurrable with Ojutai's Command, seems real good to me. No, the payoff isn't good enough. Compare him to Dragonmaster Outcast.
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stinkles1112 posted:So does anyone else think Sylvan Advocate has the potential to be stupid good? Isn't this guy gonna be the better part of a Tarmogoyf plus an additional upside a lot of the time? Plus recurrable with Ojutai's Command, seems real good to me. A 2/3 Vigilance isn't bad, but it's no Tarmogoyf. There's a world of difference between being a 4/5 turn 3 and being a 4/5 turn 6.
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stinkles1112 posted:So does anyone else think Sylvan Advocate has the potential to be stupid good? Isn't this guy gonna be the better part of a Tarmogoyf plus an additional upside a lot of the time? Plus recurrable with Ojutai's Command, seems real good to me. I think he'll find a home in Abzan Aggro to replace the face-up Den Protector 2-drop
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Lottery of Babylon posted:A 2/3 Vigilance isn't bad, but it's no Tarmogoyf. There's a world of difference between being a 4/5 turn 3 and being a 4/5 turn 6. Playing as Affinity, I got Inquisition'd yesterday t1, and pitched a Blood Moon into the yard. By turn 3 or so I think my Jund opponent had a 6/7 Goyf on the board. Sorcery, Instant, Artifact, Creature, Land, Enchantment. This is the stuff that makes Goyf Goyf.
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ShaneB posted:Playing as Affinity, I got Inquisition'd yesterday t1, and pitched a Blood Moon into the yard. By turn 3 or so I think my Jund opponent had a 6/7 Goyf on the board. Sorcery, Instant, Artifact, Creature, Land, Enchantment. Which is one of the reasons this Eldrazi deck looks really good in modern - or at least feels good in modern. It shuts off Goyfs and Snapcasters. The Eldrazi Deck is a little behind because it loses to some of the really quick matchups like Burn, Zoo, or Merfolk, but excels against Control, Tron, Jund, and Junk.
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