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ComradeCosmobot posted:Measures that failed to make deadlines include the initiative to convert investor-owned utilities to public utilities. This from the state that Enron hosed over so hard that it elected the Govinator out of desperation? Trabisnikof posted:Its not a pipeline that's leaking, it is an underground storage reservoir. So its an old oil field that we filled back up with gas to store it. The well down to this storage reservoir is what is leaking and they're having to drill a second well down to block it at the source. What the gently caress is wrong with you people!? At least we feel resentment and anger at BP every time we scuff up some tar balls from our beaches. I'm being unreasonable. You put Jerry Brown back in charge. But, drat, pass that drug price relief act, because you really need to even yourselves out.
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Ceiling fan posted:What the gently caress is wrong with you people!? At least we feel resentment and anger at BP every time we scuff up some tar balls from our beaches. We'll see. I'm waiting to see how things play out in the long run with the CPUC and if legal charges get filed. At this point, I'm not sure what could be done to more aggressively solve the problem. Evil behemoth or not, this is a literal disaster for SoCalGas and they have no incentive to half-rear end it now. Part of the deal with the emergency order was it requires stricter monitoring of other gas storage fields. That and it has a mandate in it for the CPUC to make sure SoCalGas pays and it isn't passed on to rate payers. The CPUC seems to be one of the few regulators that might actually be able to do that. One way to find out....
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Ceiling fan posted:What the gently caress is wrong with you people!? At least we feel resentment and anger at BP every time we scuff up some tar balls from our beaches. http://www.thenation.com/article/fields-toxic-pesticides-surround-schools-ventura-county-are-they-poisoning-students/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Susana_Field_Laboratory#Sodium_burn_pits http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-oil-spill-cleanup-extends-to-ventura-county-20150529-story.html http://articles.latimes.com/2000/may/25/local/me-33987 http://www.vcstar.com/news/local/moorpark/68000-gallons-of-raw-sewage-spill-in-moorpark-ep-696088887-350874861.html
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Noggin Monkey posted:Any recommendations? Nothing crazy expensive please, bonus points for local flavor. Near Big Basin, maybe Alice's Restaurant? http://www.alicesrestaurant.com/menu/
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Noggin Monkey posted:Probably the wrong thread but this is a pretty wide range of California chat; I'm taking my parents on a road trip up from SoCal and we are due to close the day in Big Basin tomorrow evening. I'd like to stop somewhere around there for dinner tomorrow (or on the edge of tech land) and sit out rush hour before making the next leg of our trip up to Napa. You'll probably get a better response in the California thread in Tourism and Travel.
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Noggin Monkey posted:Probably the wrong thread but this is a pretty wide range of California chat; I'm taking my parents on a road trip up from SoCal and we are due to close the day in Big Basin tomorrow evening. I'd like to stop somewhere around there for dinner tomorrow (or on the edge of tech land) and sit out rush hour before making the next leg of our trip up to Napa. If you are going along the coast, stop at Duarte's Tavern, Pescadaro. Then go see the Sheep Farm, and the local store with amazing bread. The whole area is super beautiful and probably looks like Ireland this time of year with the rains.
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Thanks all, we just braved traffic and pressed on. It's been amazing driving up the coast behind the rains.
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Exactly how popular is the idea of Jefferson State up North? The way it's being reported makes it seem like an idea gaining traction. Is it? Or is it just a bunch of isolationist loonies who nobody takes seriously? For reference: http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article53355675.html
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ChickenRiceNPeas posted:Exactly how popular is the idea of Jefferson State up North? The way it's being reported makes it seem like an idea gaining traction. Is it? Or is it just a bunch of isolationist loonies who nobody takes seriously? Well, I am going to hazard a guess... quote:Jefferson proponents contend that their rural areas lack adequate representation in state government, which has led to over-regulation and environmental policies that decimated their regional economies ... that when they say: quote:Now tallying 21 counties among their ranks ... they mean "some people" scattered across those counties. Like: quote:More than 200 people turned out More people turn out for cute animal funerals than this poo poo. Also, lol: quote:featured a performance of an original song about the “Jefferson state of mind” and the announcement of a gun raffle for those who registered their support online. Speakers railed against government interference. Good luck in CA. This is a true truth though. America! quote:“We live in a state led by liars,” he said. “They have no empathy
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Is this because 'the man' doesn't let them farm weed on public land?
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CopperHound posted:Is this because 'the man' doesn't let them farm weed on public land? That and their mad about the fact that generally California tries to protect its environment; tons of parks and refuges They want to be able to clear land, overfish rivers, kill whatever they want whenever they want, etc; their our own little cliven bundys
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I've said it before, but Jefferson as proposed would wind up being the poorest state in the nation. Their only real industries are logging and tourism, and without someone to tell them no they'd clear cut the area and kill both industries in one fell swoop. Nice way to get two more Republican Senators, though. Thankfully most people realize it's a dumb idea and Yreka is too much of a shithole for most people to be convinced it would make a good state capitol.
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ChickenRiceNPeas posted:Exactly how popular is the idea of Jefferson State up North? The way it's being reported makes it seem like an idea gaining traction. Is it? Or is it just a bunch of isolationist loonies who nobody takes seriously? The State of Jefferson has been proposed since 1941. It's not going anywhere and as Litany Unheard said, would be a disaster for everyone living in it. The website's old layout had nothing but crazy right wing and conspiracy article plastered over it. The new site still has a big infowar link on the front page https://web.archive.org/web/20150102204858/http://www.jeffersonstate.com/articles.html
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Placer County resident here and yeah they are basically freepers that want to flip guns unregulated, get free land to clear cut and graze pitbulls on and build meth labs/grows and dump arsenic in all the rivers and worship 12 foot tall bronze Ronald Reagan statues (I'm not kidding) whatever get a job freepers.
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Keyser S0ze posted:Placer County resident here and yeah they are basically freepers that want to flip guns unregulated, get free land to clear cut and graze pitbulls on and build meth labs/grows and dump arsenic in all the rivers and worship 12 foot tall bronze Ronald Reagan statues (I'm not kidding) whatever get a job freepers. yeah i remember last time i was driving up 80 to tahoe, i saw "STATE OF JEFFERSON! LOWER TAXES! MORE FREEDOM!" signs every other bumfuck little town
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Santa Cruz, CA is doing municipal fiber to the home. (Second article) Instead of doing fiber to the rich-person neighborhoods they seem to be doing fiber to every household. Interesting to see what happens, besides it raising the rents even more as people from Silicon Valley get to work from home instead of commuting up to San Jose.
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I had missed that Google Fiber only ran to wealthy neighborhoods; I had assumed that they extended to the town. :-(
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I had missed that Google Fiber only ran to wealthy neighborhoods; I had assumed that they extended to the town. :-( Ehhh it's not really that simple. IIRC they run to any neighborhood in their supported area where more than XX% of the neighborhood agrees to sign up (which involves an installation fee). This is so they don't run to a neighborhood and only have three subscribers or something. After the fee is paid, you can even get free internet off of it. They also do things like wire up schools for free. The required installation fee may prove to be too much for some neighborhoods, so that might have an effect of pricing out poorer ones, but it's not like Google's going out and saying "sorry you're too poor we're not supporting you". Edit: http://www.fastcompany.com/3036659/elasticity/lessons-from-googles-first-rollout-of-google-fiber has some more details. quote:Swanson’s blog post argued that Fiber is "available to anyone in a fiberhood who wants it, regardless of income." This is still untrue in Kansas City for a couple reasons. Dr. Eldarion fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Jan 18, 2016 |
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Dr. Eldarion posted:Ehhh it's not really that simple. The original problem (at least for KC) was that the system to show that a neighborhood was interested was only available online. This makes it so the people already online are going to generate higher levels of interest. Coincidentally, the map of high versus low interest correlated exactly with the racial demographics of the city. e: http://www.wired.com/2012/09/google-fiber-digital-divide/
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computer parts posted:The original problem (at least for KC) was that the system to show that a neighborhood was interested was only available online. (headdesk) That's so Google. Technocrats tend to assume that everybody else has the resources available to technocrats. A couple of years IIRC the Google landing page stopped back-supporting many obsolete browsers, ignoring the large number of users who have computers locked down to disallow updates of any kind.
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jeeves posted:Santa Cruz, CA is doing municipal fiber to the home. (Second article) Good. Anything to scare the incumbent ISP cartel into improving speeds or lowering cost. Rolling it out to the whole city vs only potential high subscriber areas re: Google Fiber is fantastic, too. How much it ends up helping SC's brain drain though remains to be seen. Arsenic Lupin posted:(headdesk) That's so Google. Technocrats tend to assume that everybody else has the resources available to technocrats. A couple of years IIRC the Google landing page stopped back-supporting many obsolete browsers, ignoring the large number of users who have computers locked down to disallow updates of any kind. A lot of Google's business practices make it painfully obvious that there's nobody in decision making roles besides 20-30 year old white guys who've never stepped inside a poor neighborhood in their life.
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On that topic, Riverside has a city-owned utility that pulled fiber through in the late 90s. It's just sitting in the ground doing (mostly) nothing, and they can't seem to convince Google or Ting or anyone else to come in and think about hooking it up. You would think this would give the city a leg-up but it really hasn't. http://www.pe.com/articles/fiber-786281-riverside-city.html Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jan 19, 2016 |
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jeeves posted:Santa Cruz, CA is doing municipal fiber to the home. (Second article) This is awesome, and makes me want to hang around Santa Cruz for a few more years.
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VikingofRock posted:This is awesome, and makes me want to hang around Santa Cruz for a few more years. Honestly if the commute over the 17 weren't such dogshit I'd choose SC over SJ in a heartbeat. Basically the same rent for a way nicer location. With gigabit fiber I might actually be able to wfh more days than not in which case I would legitimately be tempted.
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jeeves posted:Santa Cruz, CA is doing municipal fiber to the home. (Second article) Sydin posted:Honestly if the commute over the 17 weren't such dogshit I'd choose SC over SJ in a heartbeat. Basically the same rent for a way nicer location. With gigabit fiber I might actually be able to wfh more days than not in which case I would legitimately be tempted.
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cheese posted:Maybe someone can enlighten me, but is the upgrade from high speed cable to uber high speed fiber really the difference between being able to work from home vs going into the office? cheese posted:Santa Cruz has the distinction of being one of the only places in the bay area I can think of where the "commute" on a warm weekend might be worse than a regular weekday commute. If you want to head there on a Friday/Saturday, leave before 7am or don't even bother. gently caress Santa Cruz traffic.
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cheese posted:Maybe someone can enlighten me, but is the upgrade from high speed cable to uber high speed fiber really the difference between being able to work from home vs going into the office? Not really, because most work involves coordination with other team members and/or management to a degree that makes it simpler for everyone to be in a central location. For those code monkeys that never interact with anybody though, it's technically more possible for them to work at home.
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cheese posted:Maybe someone can enlighten me, but is the upgrade from high speed cable to uber high speed fiber really the difference between being able to work from home vs going into the office? It's more about reliability than the speed itself. More bandwidth means more breathing room if there are problems or the local lines are congested. Low cost Fiber to the Business however is a big plus for any potential tech companies. My guess would be, SC is hoping something like the following happens: 1. The Fiber network comes online. This attracts tech-savvy people who would otherwise not want to live in SC, and allows the ones that are already there to work from home and reduces the chances of them being pressured into moving close to an out of town office. 2. This build up of tech talent in SC makes tech companies and potential start ups go "hey, there's a glut of tech talent in SC, let's set up shop there! We can even get our own Fiber to boot!" 3. This causes something of a mini tech boom in SC and helps boost the economy in the region. Whether the dominoes will actually fall that way, or if it'll just end up meaning faster, cheaper internet for the residents of SC but not much else, remains to be seen.
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computer parts posted:Not really, because most work involves coordination with other team members and/or management to a degree that makes it simpler for everyone to be in a central location. It's also more common in SV especially because you have employees from all over the world working on the same projects.
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Protesters blocked all five westbound lanes on the Bay Bridge this afternoon in an attempt to teach drivers that black lives matter.
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Correct. But then D&Ders are the sort of people inclined to agree with the underlying sentiments of BLM. But then contrast this, for example, with the anti-vaccination protesters that blocked Golden Gate Bridge last year. That certainly would not have changed my mind on the subject and would have made me dismiss them even more quickly than I already do. I suspect it is the same with rich people already disinclined to consider BLM in a favorable light. Does this sort of crab-bucket-esquire action actually change minds? Or does it just increase polarization between those inclined to dismiss the movement and those inclined to support it? There's a lot of rhetoric on both sides but I haven't seen anything concrete on either side.
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People are also inconvenienced by police shootings.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Correct. What on earth is "crab bucket" like about protesting by blocking traffic as part of a protest?
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Trabisnikof posted:What on earth is "crab bucket" like about protesting by blocking traffic as part of a protest? The underlying sentiment is "I am miserable, so I intend to take a few minutes out of your life so that you may be temporarily inconvenienced/miserable in a way that is metaphorically representative of my everyday struggles." It's not true crab-bucket mentality of course, and I fully accept that the alternatives (do nothing, get less media exposure) are even worse. It just seems as likely to backfire as it is to push the cause forward. But the history of progress is founded on heightening the contradictions so I dunno if there's any other choice than running the risk of a backlash.  EDIT: By all this I mean that I continue to struggle with the methodology of these sorts of protests. Not the idea of protests in general, or even civil disobedience protests that inconvenience people when the methodology of the protest has some sort of relation to the subject matter, but rather these sorts of civil disobedience protests that, in their execution, don't really relate to their subject matter in any concrete sense. I know "consciousness raising" and "raising awareness" are typically thrown out as justifications for these sorts of things, but I have trouble understanding how an action to block a major transportation artery like this is supposed to encourage people to acknowledge the validity of BLM's complaints other than purely as a way to get the phrase "Black Lives Matter" into the newspaper. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Jan 19, 2016 |
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Blocking traffic is an rear end in a top hat move regardless of who is doing it and how legitimate their cause is. One of these days some selfish group will do it again and some guy who will be rushing his in-labor wife to the hospital won't get there in time. And then we'll see whose lives really matter.
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It is a polarizing move, that is the idea. You are either with us or against us. Most people are fine with the current level of police brutality, provided it doesn't affect them. Blocking a major intersection because of police brutality, as a price for it, does affect them. So, do they want the police to double down and crack down more so fewer roads are blocked, or do they want the police to be less brutal? Since police brutality is loving up your commute, you can no longer shrug and say it doesn't concern you. The protesters are hoping there is enough momentum on their side that the polarization works in their favor.
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enraged_camel posted:Blocking traffic is an rear end in a top hat move regardless of who is doing it and how legitimate their cause is. Your planned response to your wife going into labor should not be to drive across the Bay Bridge. Blocking traffic is a great protest because it gets attention. They could go do a peaceful protest out in front of City Hall or the State Capitol but good luck getting the news to devote more than a brief 30 second mention of it, if they mention it at all. And besides, the whole "I would've supported the movement if they'd gone about it in an appropriate way" has never been an honest sentiment. Best not to worry about losing the hearts and minds of people who were probably ignoring your movement altogether.
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It's possible to agree with a cause but lose faith in a movement or organization because they do stupid counterproductive poo poo that makes people associate the cause with nutjobs. For example, you can support animal rights and hate PETA, or support environmentalism and hate Greenpeace, or support economic equality and hate Occupy Wall Street.
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Yep. Generally pissing off a lot of people when it comes to commute and who just want to get home and unwind (or get to work), most of whom probably agree with the sentiment, is not a good tactic. Especially a sole transportation artery. I guarentee the anti-vax blocking didn't make anyone go "hrmm you know those anti-vaxeers have got a good point as I'm sitting here stuck because of them. Maybe we shouldn't vaccinate kids, it's bad!" and just made more people hate them and consider them fringe nutjobs than they already did. Another example of backfiring was the last BART strike which really pissed off a lot and anti-union sentiment went way on the rise (of course part of that was media) , but ultimately it did more to hurt unions more than anything else--even from diehard democrats.
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