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You know, I started to write out a detailed response to all three of you, and then I realized this is what I've been doing for the past twenty pages or something, over and over, saying pretty much the same thing, and it's become pretty clear you don't think anything short of the militants straight up shooting someone is really much of a problem, or at the very least, isn't actually harmful. I mean, Perfectly Safe just described terrorized Burns residents, some of whom have fled their homes, a number of whom were kids followed to/from school, as being 'uneasy'. Yes, I suppose you could call that being 'uneasy'. If you were an rear end in a top hat. I mean, it was about the point I was re-reading things and got to that and how calling a kidnapping a kidnapping was bad and misleading because the kidnapped kids were taken by their birth mother that I realized our definitions of what is harmful are so incredibly far apart that we might as well be speaking different languages.
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kartikeya posted:You know, I started to write out a detailed response to all three of you, and then I realized this is what I've been doing for the past twenty pages or something, over and over, saying pretty much the same thing, and it's become pretty clear you don't think anything short of the militants straight up shooting someone is really much of a problem, or at the very least, isn't actually harmful. I mean, Perfectly Safe just described terrorized Burns residents, some of whom have fled their homes, a number of whom were kids followed to/from school, as being 'uneasy'. Yes, I suppose you could call that being 'uneasy'. If you were an rear end in a top hat. That's ok, your consistently superficial analysis wasn't really helping anyway. e: actually, I apologise for this. I think that you are being childish, but that's no reason for me to be to reflexively be a dick back. Perfectly Safe fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Jan 19, 2016 |
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Main Paineframe posted:The Hutaree investigation, which was an investigation of a centrally-organized militia group which was infiltrated by an undercover agent, took two years and change. It's only been, what, a year and a half since the Bundy Ranch standoff? And I'm not sure why you'd expect an investigation of a decentralized, unorganized, spontaneous one-time group to take less time, especially in the post-Hutaree legal universe where far more evidence is needed to convict a militia group on anything meaningful. Modern federal law enforcement, as a general rule of thumb, prefers to take it slow and thorough and not jump the gun - someone might run around unpunished for a few years, but the federal government always wins in the end. For someone who keeps bringing up the Hutaree militia do you actually know anything beyond the wikipedia page? Because the fact you keep comparing it to incidents caught on video and open confessions by Bundy Ranch/Oregon militia members implies you have no idea what you're talking about as you're comparing conspiracy and planning with actual things happening live and on video. You also seem to ignore that Cliven Bundy has had issues going back decades so I'm guessing the answer is yes, given your posting history in this thread.
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skaboomizzy posted:be able to string together two spoken sentences without sounding like an idiot. They'll think he's an FBI plant. You need to be a raving loon to fit in. Make those two sentences about the government supporting you not being the government supporting you. It helps if you have a background of federal assistance or taken out a federal loan recently
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https://twitter.com/Kate_Davidson/status/689491090974486529
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"Conservationists" I hate these guys so much.
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Superficially the crazy militia occupying a building and terrorizing locals might seem like a bad thing, but if you think about it objectively it is actually cool and good. They haven't hurt anyone and their demands are completely reasonable
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It's too bad endangered birds aren't prone to mauling people, but we can hope.
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What are the odds the FBI has a mole inside the refuge? They've gotta have something up their sleeve being so hands off. A lot of militia just filtered in after the occupation, that seems easy enough vector for a plant.
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Illegal Username posted:Superficially the crazy militia occupying a building and terrorizing locals might seem like a bad thing, but if you think about it objectively it is actually cool and good. Superficially they have broken the law and should be arrested immediately.
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A few more links I've run into this morning. This guy sums up what this argument is about pretty neatly: http://z1.hcn.org/hcn/hcn/articles/im-not-so-different-from-the-bundys-heres-what-id-like-to-say-to-them quote:"Your protest is nothing more than an elaborate tantrum conducted with firearms. If you actually won claim to any public lands, I think you'd intimidate and bully others the way you and your followers did in Nevada, and the way you are doing now. Furthermore, your family owes me and 320 million of my fellow Americans more than a million dollars in back grazing fees for using public land without paying your fair share. And remember, it's just a bird sanctuary. Clearly there's nothing of real value there--oh wait. http://www.kgw.com/news/4000-artifacts-stored-at-oregon-refuge-held-by-armed-group/15241509 Bonus idiocy from that link: quote:Bundy said people interested in archeology are welcome to explore the refuge, but that cattle ranchers and loggers should have priority when it comes to land use.
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SlipUp posted:What are the odds the FBI has a mole inside the refuge? They've gotta have something up their sleeve being so hands off. A lot of militia just filtered in after the occupation, that seems easy enough vector for a plant. It's tarp man kartikeya posted:A few more links I've run into this morning. Jesus loving Christ. I hope they shoot Bundy "accidentally". Motherfucker that guy's retarded. SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Jan 19, 2016 |
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kartikeya posted:A few more links I've run into this morning. Mr Bundy, I am pretty sure the Mandate of Heaven currently belongs to the Obama Dynasty.
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kartikeya posted:A few more links I've run into this morning. Yeah, my first thought on reading his cattle line was "no, they didn't."
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SlipUp posted:What are the odds the FBI has a mole inside the refuge? They've gotta have something up their sleeve being so hands off. A lot of militia just filtered in after the occupation, that seems easy enough vector for a plant. Do they really need one? Pete's basting their doings publicly.
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Crain posted:Do they really need one? Pete's basting their doings publicly. If Pete turns out to be the FBI mole I'm gonna be really impressed with them for once.
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kartikeya posted:A few more links I've run into this morning. Holy poo poo, that line about Native Americans losing the land is a perfect representation of their FYGM mindset. Federal government can't own land but it can apparently seize it from the natives to give to assholes and their inbred descendants.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Holy poo poo, that line about Native Americans losing the land is a perfect representation of their FYGM mindset. Federal government can't own land but it can apparently seize it from the natives to give to assholes and their inbred descendants. it's ALMOST like they came up with the standard to justify what they wanted rather than adopt a principled stance that sometimes meant that they dont' get exactly what they want Abner Cadaver II posted:If Pete turns out to be the FBI mole I'm gonna be really impressed with them for once. Pete almost makes more sense as a person faking it because he is like a parody of a conspiracy theorist
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theflyingorc posted:Yeah, my first thought on reading his cattle line was "no, they didn't." May as well just let it slide because if anyone called him out on it he would probably double back and do some "Well the Buffalo you see..." bullshit and everyone in the room would just nod their head and go along with it.
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kartikeya posted:Bonus idiocy from that link: 
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DeathSandwich posted:May as well just let it slide because if anyone called him out on it he would probably double back and do some "Well the Buffalo you see..." bullshit and everyone in the room would just nod their head and go along with it. y'know, precolonial america, where the indians rode around on horseback hunting cows
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Pete:Militants::fake fed anarchist infiltrators:crimethinc"but book", you say, "those last two things are the same! "It's always the gung-ho firebrands that are the instigators
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It's cool that he talks about cultures of the past as though the Burns Paiute tribe has been lost to the mists of history.
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foot posted:It's cool that he talks about cultures of the past as though the Burns Paiute tribe has been lost to the mists of history. I'm sorry Gary, but I live in your house now, and we need to respect the current culture also before i got here my dogs just ran freely all over your yard
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a retard posted:"We also recognize that the Native Americans had the claim to the land, but they lost that claim," Bundy said. "There are things to learn from cultures of the past, but the current culture is the most important." So I'm cool with the federal government giving a bunch of native americans guns, body armor, and armored vehicles if it means they get to "reclaim" the land from these assholes.
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theflyingorc posted:I'm sorry Gary, but I live in your house now, and we need to respect the current culture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_8J4XEeRgM This just immediately comes to mind.
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A Winner is Jew posted:So I'm cool with the federal government giving a bunch of native americans guns, body armor, and armored vehicles if it means they get to "reclaim" the land from these assholes. I would hope every vehicle gets war paint and it's somewhat in line with the old western native attacks
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A Winner is Jew posted:So I'm cool with the federal government giving a bunch of native americans guns, body armor, and armored vehicles if it means they get to "reclaim" the land from these assholes. There is a certain twisted logic to this that I can't help but find appealing. Like, horrible idea in reality, but great ending if this were a novel
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A Winner is Jew posted:So I'm cool with the federal government giving a bunch of native americans guns, body armor, and armored vehicles if it means they get to "reclaim" the land from these assholes. Now that's a cause I'd donate to.
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Main Paineframe posted:The Hutaree investigation, which was an investigation of a centrally-organized militia group which was infiltrated by an undercover agent, took two years and change. It's only been, what, a year and a half since the Bundy Ranch standoff? And I'm not sure why you'd expect an investigation of a decentralized, unorganized, spontaneous one-time group to take less time, especially in the post-Hutaree legal universe where far more evidence is needed to convict a militia group on anything meaningful. Modern federal law enforcement, as a general rule of thumb, prefers to take it slow and thorough and not jump the gun - someone might run around unpunished for a few years, but the federal government always wins in the end. They don't even have a photograph of a guy who drive a stolen vehicle 30 miles. Not to mention, yet again, the last Bundy stand off resulted in the shooting death of two police officers by members looking to escalate. After 9/11 is the process for an airplane hijacking still "give them what they want and don't resist"? The local sheriff has already said he agrees with their views, and right wing militias are too hot a potato for anyone to risk their political lives doing anything at any time. There is no secret plan, the entire plan is "hope it goes away".
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkApSnKpIiw Steams up, presser's going. Liaison request to "open up a dialog-[stream dead]"
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Crain posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkApSnKpIiw Also they're going to start having a standing 11am meeting every wednesday? So I guess that means they'll be staying a lot longer.
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quote:We also recognize that the Native Americans had the claim to the land, but they lost that claim," Uh Pretty sure that happened to you too
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Uh it's cool, he already thought of that. since he's the "current culture" then his land shouldn't be taken, but it was OK to take from the native americans, no big deal, hahahaha getta load of this guy, he didn't think every action I take every day is justified and I deserve everything life has given me hahahahah
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Ah. Finicum was specifically asking for a Liaison for discussion between the Puite tribe and them. Because there's anything to talk about beyond "When you gettin the gently caress out?".
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And now Pete has yet again not brought a windscreen and his video is out. Oh wait, I mean....the FBI psyops are HACK HIS STREAM~!~!~!
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Ninkobei posted:The average citizen will look at this situation and think that these guys have a screw loose. If anything has been gained it is the perspective of viewing people with extreme right-wing ideas and just how wrong they are. Sure a lot will side with the Bundys but let's face it, they aren't going to change their minds for anything. I wouldn't count on this. That guy who was at the community meeting last night saw a lot of open minds. quote:Some ranchers were more receptive to the Bundys’ message. They spoke of their frustration with the environmental regulations on BLM land, and their belief that the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge wants to grow by acquiring ranches.
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good news, he's going to get the loggers back on the mountain, and he's going to build a mill to create hundreds of jobs i am JUST IMAGINING them trying to build a plant and supply chains without the support of the state and federal government
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theflyingorc posted:good news, he's going to get the loggers back on the mountain, and he's going to build a mill to create hundreds of jobs Also low interest loans...from somewhere...just like the government offers for businesses.
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Abner Cadaver II posted:If Pete turns out to be the FBI mole I'm gonna be really impressed with them for once. Happened with Hal Turner!
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