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Ripoff posted:I saw a dude post a hate-filled rant on Facebook w/r/t the stupid broken boat in Iranian seas thing, whining about how we gave up a sovereign vessel to Iran. I had a similar conversation with my brother, he was pissed at seeing the sailors on their knees with their hands behind their heads. I had to ask him, like, what did you expect them to do, get themselves killed starting a war with Iran over a broken boat?
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Jan 19, 2016 22:00
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Trabisnikof posted:Ah so Sanders is only using the "democratic socialist" label because he finds it politically useful, got it. It's either that or a 74 year old career liberal politician doesn't know what "socialist" actually means.
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Boon posted:Iowa's Republican governor came out and declared that Cruz must not win Iowa. Isn't Branstad pretty well despised by most of his state now, with all his novel budget cuts? Will his tacit endorsement (even if it isn't explicit) carry so much weight?
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Jan 19, 2016 22:00
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DaveWoo posted:I actually like Bernie a little more after reading this. "But Senator Sanders' call ... is out of step with the sober and responsible diplomatic approach that has been working for the United States" Yeah, our diplomacy has been doing great. Everyone that doesn't rely on us economically sure does love us to death.
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Jan 19, 2016 22:02
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Reik posted:"But Senator Sanders' call ... is out of step with the sober and responsible diplomatic approach that has been working for the United States" In context of Iran (what Sanders was suggesting we change) yes actually our diplomacy has been some of the best examples of peacetime diplomacy in history. But I'm sure Fox News will disagree.
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Jan 19, 2016 22:05
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Trabisnikof posted:In context of Iran (what Sanders was suggesting we change) yes actually our diplomacy has been some of the best examples of peacetime diplomacy in history. That's refreshing, what is it we've been doing right?
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Jan 19, 2016 22:07
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Trabisnikof posted:In context of Iran (what Sanders was suggesting we change) yes actually our diplomacy has been some of the best examples of peacetime diplomacy in history. That's because we've actually been trying diplomacy, instead of calling Iran an "axis of evil" or staging coups to overthrow their government. What's wrong with being "more aggressive" with improving relations with Iran through diplomacy like Sanders would like?
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Jan 19, 2016 22:13
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In other news, Trump declared that he will somehow force Apple to manufacture its computers in the US.
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Jan 19, 2016 22:16
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Seph posted:If you're making a straw man argument against conservatives that's fine Straw man argument LOL.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:That's refreshing, what is it we've been doing right? http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/16/463168647/u-n-nuclear-watchdog-confirms-iran-nuclear-deal-set-to-be-implemented Reik posted:That's because we've actually been trying diplomacy, instead of calling Iran an "axis of evil" or staging coups to overthrow their government. What's wrong with being "more aggressive" with improving relations with Iran through diplomacy like Sanders would like? Because what prove is there that abandoning the cautious and careful approach now would be better? What exactly would we do different. and how would that help US goals on ballistic missiles and human rights?
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Trump has the support of at least one well-known former member of the GOP establishment. You betcha.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:That's refreshing, what is it we've been doing right? Understanding the political influences in a foreign country was a really good start. "Hey there's a lot of people in Iran that want to join the global economy and actually don't think America is the Great Satan. Maybe if we offer them the carrot instead of publicly making GBS threads on them every time possible something good could happen? Yeah they have loud mouthed idiots that hate us, so what? We have Republicans."
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^ Thanks!Trabisnikof posted:http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/16/463168647/u-n-nuclear-watchdog-confirms-iran-nuclear-deal-set-to-be-implemented No I know, I was just interested to read your breakdown on why we were able to succeed here.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:In other news, Trump declared that he will somehow force Apple to manufacture its computers in the US.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:^ Thanks! Oh yeah sorry. I think its honestly being willing to try, not to mix all the negotiations up, working with our allies, basically actually using diplomacy as a primary tool of statecraft for once.
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Our diplomatic approach towards Iran has been working quite well recently.
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Trabisnikof posted:http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/16/463168647/u-n-nuclear-watchdog-confirms-iran-nuclear-deal-set-to-be-implemented Why do we have any reason to be cautious? We're the ones who were messing with Iran. If anything Iran should be cautious, and we should be as willing to improve relations as Iran is. Maybe we should take a look at Saudi Arabia and ask ourselves why they're probably our most trusted ally in the region given the fact that they execute people who oppose the royal family. This would help US goals on human rights because we would ally ourselves with the countries that have better human rights for their citizens.
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Reik posted:Why do we have any reason to be cautious? We're the ones who were messing with Iran. If anything Iran should be cautious, and we should be as willing to improve relations as Iran is. Maybe we should take a look at Saudi Arabia and ask ourselves why they're probably our most trusted ally in the region given the fact that they execute people who oppose the royal family. This would help US goals on human rights because we would ally ourselves with the countries that have better human rights for their citizens. Did you just suggest Iran has a good human rights record?
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And here we are. What's sure to be peak madness: Sarah Palin endorses Donald Trump's thus-far leading candidacy for the POTUS. It's not peak madness
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quote:@BillKristol: OMG. Sarah Palin has gone rogue.  Really? This was the final straw?
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A great example of how any law you enact to protect will also be used to abuse: MRAs are invoking the Unruh Act to sue women's groups. Mother Jones quote:The NCFM members' lawsuit alleged that by holding a networking event marketed toward women, Burns and Chic CEO were in fact illegally discriminating against men. The 2014 complaint filed in San Diego Superior Court focused on the event's marketing, noting: "Imagine the uproar by women business owners and entrepreneurs, feminists, and other equal rights advocates if a business consulting company in partnership with a business networking firm brazenly touted a no-women-allowed business networking event as follows." It illustrated the point with a rewritten version of the ad for the event, substituting references to women with men.
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Zelder posted:In relation to Saudi Arabia, which is perhaps the lowest bar one could clear By that token we should just drop dealings with both SA and Iran and snuggle up closer to Israel.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:A great example of how any law you enact to protect will also be used to abuse: MRAs are invoking the Unruh Act to sue women's groups. John Roberts must be getting aroused at the possibility that this will one day reach his court
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Amergin posted:By that token we should just drop dealings with both SA and Iran and snuggle up closer to Israel. I thought we were trying to move away from supporting non-democratic states?
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Amergin posted:Did you just suggest Iran has a good human rights record? At least they didn't blow up a doctors without borders hospital  Amergin posted:By that token we should just drop dealings with both SA and Iran and snuggle up closer to Israel. Yeah, snuggle up closer to Netanyahu, he just screams "rational moderate".
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Trabisnikof posted:It is common sense legislation designed to protect the privacy of children and adults, and was requested by a group of parents in my district who are concerned about a male student who wanted to use the girls facilities. Schools have been sued for not allowing males to use female restrooms and this legislation is intended to adopt a clear policy and to pre-empt further suits. The bolded paragraph is poo poo that never happened. I can certainly believe some morons got it in their heads that transgender is a made up thing to harass people in bathrooms, but this thing never actually happened. Also your second paragraph is just more anti-LGBT scaremongering bullshit. There is absolutely no reason to have this law except to harass transgender people.
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New Ta-Nehisi Coates piece on Bernie Sanders and him being against reparations: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/bernie-sanders-reparations/424602/ quote:...
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Reik posted:That's because we've actually been trying diplomacy, instead of calling Iran an "axis of evil" or staging coups to overthrow their government. What's wrong with being "more aggressive" with improving relations with Iran through diplomacy like Sanders would like? The fact that he would invite more Iranian troops into loving Syria? The man's foreign policy is a drat farce.
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Noam Chomsky posted:Reparations for slavery and oppression and discrimination are never going to be paid out. Never ever, ever X infinity. It's a politically untenable position. I wish it wasn't but this is America we're talking about here. If you read the article, TNC talks about that. Bernie is running as the radical progressive candidate whose entire platform is essentially unpassable. But somehow magically he becomes a pragmatic realist when talking about reparations 
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Uhh whatquote:@Kevinliptakcnn: NEW CNN/WMUR poll in New Hampshire:
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The Iron Rose posted:The fact that he would invite more Iranian troops into loving Syria? Why is that not something Iran and Syria decide? Why would we be influencing troop movements between two countries that aren't us?
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:If you read the article, TNC talks about that. Bernie is running as the radical progressive candidate whose entire platform is essentially unpassable. But somehow magically he becomes a pragmatic realist when talking about reparations More like he becomes a pragmatic realist in that saying "yes reparations" would lose him the election. He might be against it anyway, but off the record in the private I wouldn't be surprised if his tune changed
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:If you read the article, TNC talks about that. Bernie is running as the radical progressive candidate whose entire platform is essentially unpassable. But somehow magically he becomes a pragmatic realist when talking about reparations Yeah, TNC is right that Bernie shouldn't have taken this approach. Sad they wouldn't let him get in touch either.
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Politicians who aren't pro-reparations are just plain racist, and no black people should vote for them. These are just indisputable facts.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:
You won't win over hardcore regressive a that way but calling voyeurism "rape" really does seem like a good way to make people take you less seriously or to piss off survivors. I would never say I'm a rape survivor just because I once saw a dude trying to peer in my window as a kid. And legal doctrine generally very decisively separates the two offenses, for better or worse. Sometimes impure rhetoric can be effective. I kind of hate every time they talk about violence against women from the perspective of "she's someone's daughter/mother/sister!" but I guess it gets through to some lunkheads who can only seem to empathize with human women through their familial relationship to a man. You know, instead of just respecting them as a person inherently.
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Thump! posted:I had a similar conversation with my brother, he was pissed at seeing the sailors on their knees with their hands behind their heads. I had to ask him, like, what did you expect them to do, get themselves killed starting a war with Iran over a broken boat? Remember that part of the anger with Benghazi, and seen by the recent Michael Bay movie, is this assumption that there is some magical powerful group of soldiers like GI Joe on our beck and call at all times. American brains have been so basted in broth of outnumbered Real American Heroes kicking rear end and taking names that they just assume it has to be real, and it's only the lily-livered pansies in office keeping them from succeeding. And this isn't just a cultural thing that people have been responding to, it's been the outright goal of the DoD. A similar problem exists with the justice system, if not the entire government as a whole.
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Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/beware-a-gop-calendar-front-loaded-with-states-friendly-to-trump-and-cruz/ I mostly agree, however the article also raises something I think could prove a serious problem for establishment candidates: voter thresholds. Thresholds are a certain percent of the vote a candidate needs in order to receive in delegates, in Texas for example that level is 20%. at 21%, a candidate gets 9 delegates, at 19% a candidate receives Zero. There are also a number of incentives for candidates to keep campaigning long past New Hampshire, even if they have little chance of winning out right. For example Ohio, where Kasich is from, has a winner-take-all primary. Kasich has a very good chance of taking all 72 Ohio delegates, and if he believes there will a contested convention staying in the race until March 15 will give him a lot of bargaining power at said convention. Florida is also winner-take-all, meaning if Bush and Rubio think they have a chance of winning their home state, they'll stay in just as long. Why is this a problem for the establishment? Well the longer the establishment vote remains split the less likely those candidates will get above the threshold. If 19% of Republicans vote for Bush in Texas, votes that would probably go to Rubio or Kasich or Christie if he dropped out, those votes are completely wasted. For this reason, winnowing the field will be critical for an establishment candidate. If they all choose to stay in the race at least until after their home state thresholds will make a lot of establishment votes just disappear. For a mainstream candidate to win, the second tier candidates are going to need to swallow their pride and bow out early, but we don't have much evidence that will happen. Squalid fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Jan 19, 2016 |
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