|
Telsa Cola posted:I would imagine a national guard member defecting to the militia or rendering any kind of aid to them if they were called into action would prolly get hammered every which way from Sunday by the courts, doubly so if for some magical hypothetical reason Obama gives a federal mobilization order to the state, if that happened they would get crucified by the military courts. Im pretty sure doing that kind of poo poo gets you shot by your buddies too. So yeah I don't think any one of them would be dumb enough to do that. They'd also be lionized by the people calling for Bergdahl to be slowly tortured to death.
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 01:05
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 08:10 |
|
|
Telsa Cola posted:I would imagine a national guard member defecting to the militia or rendering any kind of aid to them if they were called into action would prolly get hammered every which way from Sunday by the courts, doubly so if for some magical hypothetical reason Obama gives a federal mobilization order to the state, if that happened they would get crucified by the military courts. Im pretty sure doing that kind of poo poo gets you shot by your buddies too. So yeah I don't think any one of them would be dumb enough to do that. Yea, but that person would become a hero to the Militia movement. They all have a fantasy that when Obummer orders the US Military to start to take orders from NWO UN Zionist leaders, they'd say hell no! And join in the true blue American patriots, and this would just play on that.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 01:05
|
|
|
Discendo Vox posted:The danger here (beyond the immediate massive bloodshed problem) is that the state national guard is pulled from the state population, and as such is disproportionately likely to have militia sympathizers in its membership. The same problem applies to Painframe's suggesting of using state police, and it's entirely possible that Oregon's State Police do not have the available resources or networks to deal with something like this; the Feds have practical experience dealing with similar situations. Funding for law enforcement is very, very tight in OR right now -- nearby Josephine County has been in the news a lot the last couple of years because they can't afford to have police service but the citizens keep voting down any tax initiatives to fund policing. Also, the Bhagwan would be laughing at these dolts. Has Antelope been brought up ITT?
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 01:06
|
|
|
twistedmentat posted:Yea, but that person would become a hero to the Militia movement. They all have a fantasy that when Obummer orders the US Military to start to take orders from NWO UN Zionist leaders, they'd say hell no! And join in the true blue American patriots, and this would just play on that. As a former Guard member, this is correct.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 01:17
|
|
|
twistedmentat posted:Yea, but that person would become a hero to the Militia movement. They all have a fantasy that when Obummer orders the US Military to start to take orders from NWO UN Zionist leaders, they'd say hell no! And join in the true blue American patriots, and this would just play on that. I feel like this is easily shut down by the fact that such defection, if it even occurred, would be minuscule at best. Who cares in the grand CW2.0 scheme if Billy Bob defects if the rest if the people in his unit don't? Just laugh and say "Well now lets see the %99.98 defect and then we will talk". Besides if such occurred the Militia movement would have a hero that pretty much the rest of the US would rightfully see as a traitor. Also who really gives a gently caress in the long run if it gives credence to their insane beliefs if it happens? They don't seem to need an actually person to point to feel fully confident it will happen and if it does happen I don't its going to be a major game changer. There is little to no chance of this defector getting away with it for long since the US really really doesn't like that poo poo so its not like they are going to run free without consequences. Besides if they were smart the military would just use non local units minimizing the problem.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 01:23
|
|
|
Most recent Military Times poll I saw says that there's a roughly 65/35 split in the military (well, at least the army) in favor of Republicans. I wouldn't be surprised if a ton of them defected to the militia's side against the tyrant Obummer.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 01:24
|
|
|
Mr Interweb posted:Most recent Military Times poll I saw says that there's a roughly 65/35 split in the military (well, at least the army) in favor of Republicans. I wouldn't be surprised if a ton of them defected to the militia's side against the tyrant Obummer. Doesn't the Air Force and Officers skew that poll heavily since something like 95% of them are in favor of republicans?
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 01:31
|
|
|
MariusLecter posted:Why can't we be more like Israel? Raid the place, kill em all. We will need to fly some Kurdish spotters into Oregon to give coordinates though. Intel&Sebastian posted:Lmao the fuuuuuucking governor said that feds asked her not to comment so it wouldn't escalate the situation. This poo poo is ridiculous.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 01:33
|
|
|
A Winner is Jew posted:Doesn't the Air Force and Officers skew that poll heavily since something like 95% of them are in favor of republicans? Mr Interweb posted:Most recent Military Times poll I saw says that there's a roughly 65/35 split in the military (well, at least the army) in favor of Republicans. I wouldn't be surprised if a ton of them defected to the militia's side against the tyrant Obummer. If Obama for some reason decided to be a tyrannical overlord and did some mad power grab It would be morally and probably legally acceptable for the military to refuse to serve and defect to some militia. But thats not what we are discussing and is avoiding the point, what we are discussing is how would the military react if called to arrest a militia squatting on federal lands with no intent to leave and arming themselves, I really really don't think they are going to defect in numbers just to stick to the Democrat in the White house. Edit: Like that would look really really really bad for the Army/National Guard/Whatever. Like people getting shot for treason bad. Like the entire Military getting a reorganization bad. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Jan 21, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 01:38
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 01:49
|
|
|
Mr Interweb posted:Most recent Military Times poll I saw says that there's a roughly 65/35 split in the military (well, at least the army) in favor of Republicans. I wouldn't be surprised if a ton of them defected to the militia's side against the tyrant Obummer. This would require that Republicans actually be in support of the militia. So far I haven't seen any evidence that Republicans - either those who vote that way or Republican institutions - are actually in agreement with them to any substantial degree. I may be wrong, and am open to evidence to the contrary, but even wingnuts seem to view these guys as the lunatic fringe. E: I also think it's likely that most cops on the scene have seen the video of the Kanes gunning down those cops at that roadside stop a few years ago. I doubt there's a lot of sympathy there either. Lead out in cuffs fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Jan 21, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 02:53
|
|
|
Lead out in cuffs posted:This would require that Republicans actually be in support of the militia. So far I haven't seen any evidence that Republicans - either those who vote that way or Republican institutions - are actually in agreement with them to any substantial degree. I may be wrong, and am open to evidence to the contrary, but even wingnuts seem to view these guys as the lunatic fringe. It's one thing to whine about the government stopping you from stealing from people with legal loopholes and telling you that you're not allowed to put up "No Muslims" signs in your restaurant. It's a whole 'nother ball game to actually seize federal property with guns, threaten to kill any cops who get too close, and start destroying poo poo out in the forest accusing the FBI of spying on you.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 02:59
|
|
|
Discendo Vox posted:I believe this has some tiein with the Mormon elements of their flavor of sovcit beliefs. Nah, they're Shofars. Hyperconservatives use them as some weird symbol of Israeli support despite casually blowing them for random poo poo being hella unkosher. They're just disrespectful idiots.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 03:14
|
|
|
Larry David made a funny once about 'blowing the chauffeur'
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 03:16
|
|
|
I {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252 {\fonttbl\f0\fnil\fcharset0 ArialMT;} {\colortbl;\red255\green255\blue255;\red2\green20\blue31;} \deftab720 \pard\pardeftab720\partightenfactor0 \f0\fs20 \cf2 \expnd0\expndtw0\kerning0 \outl0\strokewidth0 \strokec2 \ }
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 03:16
|
|
|
sparatuvs posted:I {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252 Agreed.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 03:18
|
|
|
sparatuvs posted:I {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252 Thanks, R2.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 03:20
|
|
|
sparatuvs posted:I {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252 Still more coherent than the militia.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 03:30
|
|
|
Schizotek posted:Nah, they're Shofars. Hyperconservatives use them as some weird symbol of Israeli support despite casually blowing them for random poo poo being hella unkosher. They're just disrespectful idiots. edit: Ah, I knew it was something! Apparently it's a moderately fringey LDS belief to treat Moroni's trumpet as a shofar, possibly drawing from the same ill-conceived Israeli solidarity of identity ideas. sparatuvs posted:I {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252 mods ban this sick filth. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Jan 21, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 04:44
|
|
|
How intriguing, it seems like the Feds have not been playing 11th-dimensional chess and are in fact too indolent or racist to arrest white terrorists. Also it seems like the whole "should I mail a used dildo" kerfuffle could be solved at a stroke with a container of Vaseline and a melted Hershey's bar: I'm Just Saying.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 04:57
|
|
|
SedanChair posted:How intriguing, it seems like the Feds have not been playing 11th-dimensional chess and are in fact too indolent or racist to arrest white terrorists. Huh? What changed?
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 05:01
|
|
|
theflyingorc posted:Huh? What changed? Absolutely nothing, for several decades.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 05:04
|
|
|
theflyingorc posted:Huh? What changed? sparatuvs posted:I {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 05:04
|
|
|
SedanChair posted:Absolutely nothing, for several decades. You were just talking like there was new information on the fed's strategy or something
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 05:05
|
|
|
theflyingorc posted:You were just talking like there was new information on the fed's strategy or something They privately begged the governor of Oregon to pretend none of this is happening
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 05:13
|
|
|
SedanChair posted:Also it seems like the whole "should I mail a used dildo" kerfuffle could be solved at a stroke with a container of Vaseline and a melted Hershey's bar: I'm Just Saying. Or just an old cardboard box full of random crap, with Vaseline, melted chocolate and organic peanut butter smeared all over the outside, labeled "SPENT BUTTPLUGS" in permanent marker.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 05:16
|
|
|
One protester has a murder conviction. e: and a patricide, no less! back in the good old days he would've been sewn into a sack with a snake, dog and rooster and thrown into the sea! 
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 05:18
|
|
|
SedanChair posted:They privately begged the governor of Oregon to pretend none of this is happening What an odd interpretation of events. quote:She confirmed that federal authorities had asked her office and other local officials to say as little as possible about the occupation to keep from adding any fuel to the occupiers' rhetorical fire. But that didn't stop her from speaking out all the same. your point appears to be "the FBI are not playing the long game because they asked the governor to play the long game"?
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 05:21
|
|
|
As a Millennial I posted:The FBI better be saving every second of Pete's streams as they're broadcast. As much as I want to believe this the way in which Republicans at the federal level have harassed the FBI and other law enforcement agencies when they try to investigate domestic terrorism makes we wonder if the reason it appears as if nothing is being done by the feds is because nothing is being done by the feds. Schizotek posted:Nah, they're Shofars. Hyperconservatives use them as some weird symbol of Israeli support despite casually blowing them for random poo poo being hella unkosher. They're just disrespectful idiots. It has nothing to do with Israel, it's some creepy messianic "judaism" thing. The Insect Court fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Jan 21, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 05:29
|
|
|
As a Millennial I posted:As expected, Pete has decided that the community meeting was a scripted event full of crisis actors. His viewers are eating it up too: I have pretty severe facial blindness and I can usually tell they're totally different people. These people must not be able to recognize their own mothers most of the time.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 05:30
|
|
|
Discendo Vox posted:My bad! What a weird thing to do- I assumed they had some relation to their ideology, but I guess they've just been cooped up there so long, they've started getting horny. Wow, what a...really weird thing. Welp, guess I've learned something new! Also: https://twitter.com/eagle1776n/status/690002472132309000
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 05:36
|
|
|
sparatuvs posted:I {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 05:37
|
|
|
theflyingorc posted:your point appears to be "the FBI are not playing the long game because they asked the governor to play the long game"? Why, look how long that game is. That's a mighty long game. Maybe their intention is to allow them to slip away scott-free, but for society to slowly outpace them and make them less relevant. I must say, it's playing out.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 05:39
|
|
|
Geostomp posted:Can someone remind me again why these guys aren't called terrorists? Because white and christian, which is literally only slightly different from brown and muslim in reality, but in America give you access to rights those others don't deserve to have or should have access too.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 05:48
|
|
|
kartikeya posted:Wow, what a...really weird thing. Welp, guess I've learned something new! Oh good. Complete morons with no idea how to safely handle artifacts doing exactly that. I bet these fucker's would be dumb enough to put lime juice on the Declaration of Independence just to be sure if there were secret messages on the back or not.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 05:55
|
|
|
Watch these fuckers steal other people's past and sell it on e-Bay.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 05:59
|
|
|
Abner Cadaver II posted:Watch these fuckers steal other people's past and sell it on e-Bay. They're becoming more and more like ISIS every day
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 06:01
|
|
|
It's like when your bratty little sister gets into your closet. She treats your stuff poorly while she tries to play big-girl and acts like she's pulling it off (she's not, she's ruining everything) meanwhile mom is telling you to ignore her and she'll go away (she doesn't.)
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 06:02
|
|
|
Bast Relief posted:It's like when your bratty little sister gets into your closet. She treats your stuff poorly while she tries to play big-girl and acts like she's pulling it off (she's not, she's ruining everything) meanwhile mom is telling you to ignore her and she'll go away (she doesn't.) Which is why you unlatch her seatbelt and then make your mother swerve into a lightpost next time you go to the store.
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 06:04
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 08:10 |
|
|
I thought the whole point of the FBI holding back was to let these guys make an embarrassment of themselves and deny them the heroic battle that they so crave. The longer this goes on, the more people in the community they piss off, the less powerful their example is to other at-risk conservative radicals. Is that still what is believed, or do people all assume that the FBI is actually just a bunch of dummies?
|
|
#
?
Jan 21, 2016 06:22
|
|
