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Mel Mudkiper posted:Read it, what do you wanna know when he quotes ruskin about composition being 'the arrangement of unequal things' a few times, i assumed he also refers to everything else in the book itself being overshadowed by the robbery & murders yet paying as much page-space to counting birds and different types of houses on the street... unequal things that are arranged together in this way by the narrator in his life story not to let himself be dragged down by these two events that hosed up his sister who couldn't get away from them in her own life story. yet, I as a reader could only really appreciate it all in retrospect, after reading the book (and that to me was the best part of 'canada' - looking back at the way it was built), as the actual reading of these 'other' parts can be dull at times - by necessity and intent. basically, i was wondering what do you think about the structure w/r/t the rusking quote.
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I'm imagining someone pulling out 50 bad sentences from The Recognitions and the decades-long grudge that Gaddis would bear.
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Jan 21, 2016 21:32
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Burning Rain posted:when he quotes ruskin about composition being 'the arrangement of unequal things' a few times, i assumed he also refers to everything else in the book itself being overshadowed by the robbery & murders yet paying as much page-space to counting birds and different types of houses on the street... unequal things that are arranged together in this way by the narrator in his life story not to let himself be dragged down by these two events that hosed up his sister who couldn't get away from them in her own life story. Honestly I didn't remember myself feeling particularly bored by the middle parts but I also read it three years ago so its a bit fuzzy. You're dead on though about the deliberate bookending of the novel with events of traumatic violence though. Mr. Squishy posted:I'm imagining someone pulling out 50 bad sentences from The Recognitions and the decades-long grudge that Gaddis would bear. I am just amused the dude claimed he had a list of 50 bad sentences in a 900 page book and couldn't actually find 50
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Jan 21, 2016 21:34
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I'm never going to read City of Fire. That's a really easy promise to make
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Jan 21, 2016 21:46
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Ras Het posted:I'm never going to read City of Fire. That's a really easy promise to make man commits to not reading YA fiction series http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6400940-city-of-fire 
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Ras Het posted:I'm never going to read City of Fire. That's a really easy promise to make I feel like I have trouble just staying in the 20th century with the spiderweb of reference and allusion that directs my usual reading always pulling me further into the past. Reading A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man last fall set me back to Aquinas, and At Swim-Two-Birds has me on a Celtic folklore bent. e: Without McCarthy and Atwood (probably forgetting a couple) I'd never touch my own lifespan. Eugene V. Dubstep fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jan 21, 2016 |
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Jan 21, 2016 22:12
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I'm finally reading the copy of Dead Souls that has been sitting on my shelf for like 5 years and I love how there's some massively sweeping generalization about Russia / its people on literally every single page. Gogol owns.
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Jan 21, 2016 22:24
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:I'm finally reading the copy of Dead Souls that has been sitting on my shelf for like 5 years and I love how there's some massively sweeping generalization about Russia / its people on literally every single page. Gogol owns. Wait till you get to Artorias
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Jan 21, 2016 22:30
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I bought the first Ferrante book finally b/c gently caress my library's 40-deep queue for it Also got the new Junji Ito horror collection because, you know, goon
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Jan 21, 2016 23:03
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peanut- posted:http://www.theawl.com/2016/01/the-50-most-unacceptable-sentences-in-city-on-fire-in-order this books sounds real bad but 44 is cool because eggs are cool.
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Jan 21, 2016 23:04
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Popular Human posted:I bought the first Ferrante book finally b/c gently caress my library's 40-deep queue for it Its intense. I decided to take a City on Fire break halfway through the second one because I need something a little lighter to cleanse the pallet. Its four novels of unyielding realist despair
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Jan 21, 2016 23:10
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:I'm finally reading the copy of Dead Souls that has been sitting on my shelf for like 5 years and I love how there's some massively sweeping generalization about Russia / its people on literally every single page. Gogol owns. He burned the sequel in a fire the fucker
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Jan 21, 2016 23:33
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Popular Human posted:I bought the first Ferrante book finally b/c gently caress my library's 40-deep queue for it Junji Ito's good Best horror writer in the world
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Jan 21, 2016 23:36
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Smoking Crow posted:Junji Ito's good did he write that one about this is my hole it was made for me because that one wins
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Jan 21, 2016 23:48
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corn in the bible posted:He burned the sequel in a fire the fucker The third part.
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Jan 21, 2016 23:50
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Mel Mudkiper posted:did he write that one about this is my hole it was made for me Yes he did. He also wrote a manga about getting a cat and it looks and is written like a Junji Ito story but without any horror
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Jan 21, 2016 23:51
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Mel Mudkiper posted:did he write that one about this is my hole it was made for me yep. He's not at all in the wheelhouse of this thread, but he's fuckin' great
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Popular Human posted:yep. He's not at all in the wheelhouse of this thread, but he's fuckin' great 10/10 better than (H) Murakami
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Jan 21, 2016 23:53
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I was once at a Q and A with Harvey Pekar and he got really mad when someone asked him if he ever read Uzumaki
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corn in the bible posted:He burned the sequel in a fire the fucker Don't you know? Manuscripts don't burn.
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Jan 21, 2016 23:54
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gently caress Haruki, give Ryu a nobel prize
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Jan 21, 2016 23:55
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Smoking Crow posted:gently caress Haruki, give Ryu a nobel prize I've never read any of his stuff other than In The Miso Soup - that book was v. good tho Which of his other books are best?
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Jan 21, 2016 23:59
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Popular Human posted:I've never read any of his stuff other than In The Miso Soup - that book was v. good tho Coin Locker Babies and Almost Transparent Blue are good, Audition is kind of boring
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Jan 22, 2016 00:00
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nero wolfe is initially described in Rex Stout's character notes as weighing 272 pounds (123 kg), but his weight fluctuates somewhat throughout the course of the series (usually described as in a fraction of a ton, e.g. "his eighth of a ton bulk." while self-reported american weight data is largely unreliable before 1960, the trend is roughly log-linear (average adult male weight of ~165 lb in 1960, versus ~195 lb in 2010). If his debut in Fer-de-Lance is meant to be contemporary with the novel's publication in 1934 (and later references to baseball players, prohibition, and world events do not contradict this impression), then we can conclude that a modern day Nero Wolfe ought to debut at ~320 lbs (145 kg).
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Jan 22, 2016 00:14
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let me know if you have any further questions about fat detectives, although i am still reading montalbano (who is sicilian and whose books frequently include recipes, so i will just somewhat uncharitably assume is fat).
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Its four novels of unyielding realist despair Which book are you on? edit: oh, halfway through the second. If you think that's bad you're in for one hell of a ride. Flattened Spoon fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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Jan 22, 2016 00:20
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Tree Goat posted:let me know if you have any further questions about fat detectives, although i am still reading montalbano (who is sicilian and whose books frequently include recipes, so i will just somewhat uncharitably assume is fat). i read one of those montalbano books and I did not get the impression he is fat, though maybe slightly stocky like many sicilians. sure he eats a lot but mostly fish and sea urchin and so on, it's not like he's eating cheetos and drinking big gulps
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Wait till you get to Artorias He's a pretty tough boss, but I think some of the guys in Dark Souls II are harder.
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Earwicker posted:i read one of those montalbano books and I did not get the impression he is fat, though maybe slightly stocky like many sicilians. sure he eats a lot but mostly fish and sea urchin and so on, it's not like he's eating cheetos and drinking big gulps certainly he is not fat in the televised version, but then again, who is? i have yet to find textual evidence one way or the other, and would like to forestall talking about roland loving barthes yet again.
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Please take this discussion to the detective fiction thread OR the obese protaganoist fiction thread.
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Mr. Squishy posted:obese protaganoist fiction thread. I want an obese protagonist thread, even though it would be filled to the brim with Game of Thrones and that one Mieville novel with the fat black scientist.
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About 50 pages into City on Fire now. Digging it so far. I like the characters and the overall connectedness of the story. The style is definitely loose and rough. I feel like the guy who did that 50 sentence article missed the entire point of the prose. Its not meant to be elegant and controlled. Its meant to slapdash and unrefined. Its a book about 1970's New York for christsake. Its a very admirable how the prose is consistent with the vibe of the setting he is trying to create. Flattened Spoon posted:Which book are you on? Jesus christ what Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Jan 22, 2016 |
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I'm having a frustrating discussion with some folks on facebook about that very article. They're like THIS IS A BAD BOOK THESE LINES PROVE IT IS VERY BAD and I'm trying to argue that some of those quotes might just be from the point of view of characters who themselves might not have the best attitudes or opinions, and not the author holding these points of view
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Also once I finish Moby Dick I think I'll start those Ferrante books, apparently my library system is full of people who don't want to read them and I got the first book a little while back.
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Tree Goat posted:let me know if you have any further questions about fat detectives, although i am still reading montalbano (who is sicilian and whose books frequently include recipes, so i will just somewhat uncharitably assume is fat). after that read camilleri's inspiration - manuel vasquez montalbán who was a fat catalan crime writer whose books include lots of recipes.
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Smoking Crow posted:Coin Locker Babies and Almost Transparent Blue are good, Audition is kind of boring counterpoint: i found almost transparent blue kind of boring, but i'd sort of gotten my fill of drug ennui books by then
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Burning Rain posted:counterpoint: i found almost transparent blue kind of boring, but i'd sort of gotten my fill of drug ennui books by then Have you read Coin Locker Babies? It's crazy. Hope you like meth and gay model sex Gay model meth
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Smoking Crow posted:Have you read Coin Locker Babies? It's crazy. Hope you like meth and gay model sex In the Miso Soup owns too. Ryu seems to really loving hate his own country and I love it.
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I knew No Country For Old Men wasn’t meant to be McCarthy’s best book but I’m finding it even more thin than expected so far. It really is just a decent thriller. Oh well, it’s good for what it is!
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WatermelonGun posted:In the Miso Soup owns too. Ryu seems to really loving hate his own country and I love it. I was checking it out and basically every book seems to be about japanese men being amoral horndogs and suffering horribly for it. owns.
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