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Reclaim the REAL Australia no we do not live in a secular democracy! the constitution is a Christian document. It was federated in 1901 when 97.7% of the population 1st census were Christian census 2011 61.1% declared themselves Christian so we are still majority Christian. Freedom of religion section 116 of the constitution means the commonwealth does not force worship or prohibit the free exercise of religion. But thou shall not kill, steal or bear false witness still come from the bible. As for no one killing anyone in Australia in the name of God are you fuckin blind!!! Curtis Chang was killed by a 15 year old Muslim outside Parramatta police station yelling Allah akbuh he also was given a gun inside parramatta mosque. That just one example moron. e: in response to an actual reasoned response to the above "Get hosed wanker. Your heads already on my chopping block. Brainwashed leftist scum. You'll get yours oval office" "You can't tell wankers like reclaim the real Australia anything because they can't handle facts. Your a Fucken disgrace" Recoome fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Jan 23, 2016 |
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BRB converting away from Christianity so I can kill, steal or bear false witness since apparently that's the only religion that prohibits it.
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hooman posted:BRB converting away from Christianity so I can kill, steal or bear false witness since apparently that's the only religion that prohibits it. I had an Asian Civ teacher who was from China and he said the main thing Christian civilization brought to the table was things like a fair trial, reasonable punishment (ie, not cruel and unusual) and things like that. An interesting perspective, not sure if I agree with it, but saying Christianity brought prohibitions on murder, stealing or lying is ignoring roughly 3750 years of history, and that's just the recorded bits.
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Recoome posted:The thing which makes me uncomfortable is how vague it is. A well-handled HR department which uses organisation psychologists to assist in finding good person-job matches is where that kind of psych assessment is well-utilised. Conversely, when the job is extremely mentally taxing (i.e. military), then correctly utilised psych assessment again aids in ensuring people don't blow their brains out when they get access to a firearm/kill other people etc. So the thing a lot of people don't realise is that universities have been churning out teachers at an insane rate with mixed results in terms of quality. We have more than enough teachers in NSW, to the point that we're actually oversupplied until at least 2020. The two major problems are an under-representation of minorities in teaching roles and casualisation of the workforce which has run so rampant. The only teachers with permanent, ongoing employment are rusted on fossils, and the new teachers who're trying to come up can't get enough consistent work in one place that it's hindering their professional development. From that perspective, anything which hinders more people who JUST LOVE WORKING WITH CHILDREN from entering the sector is a very good thing. The department is very well aware of this too, and they're looking to turn off the tap so they can start to chip away at the ~9 year long waiting list for a permanent position. Pracs don't necessarily weed out the bad teachers because they're administered by full time teachers in schools, who're a mixed bag. Sometimes they have the opposite effect and very good teachers fail their prac because of a personality clash. There's no standardised system at all for assessing a teaching student's performance on practicum. It all falls to the whim of whichever exasperated boomer you get pinned to for a month. Most unis use the 7 point national teaching framework as a guideline for it, but in NSW at least, you pass your prac if you uni says you do, regardless of your actual performance. In the cast of a two year masters, someone from Usyd saw me teach for a grand total of 3 hours, and the discussions I had with them about those lessons totalled about 20 minutes. You already have to sit an interview with the Department of Education to work in a public school in NSW, so adding one more interview with BOSTES to make sure you're at least capable of holding a conversation isn't particularly onerous. There's potential for abuse and discrimination, but as long as it's transparent and there's a solid appeals system in place to ensure discrimination can be stamped out, I'm not opposed to it at all. Smegmatron fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Jan 23, 2016 |
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Any suggestions on what my wife can do when frustrated by a FB wall of dickheads saying Tassie's bush fire woes are the greens fault. We tried posting the greens page with "Climate change will increase the intensity and frequency of bushfires; scientifically-based, ecologically appropriate use of fire is an important means to protect biodiversity and manage habitat effectively.", but english comprehension doesn't seem to be high in rural Tasmania. I feel for many of these people, there are scared and feel a need to lash out at something to regain a little control but this is just wasted effort. Is there a link to a greens page that flat out says "We support fuel reduction burns"? From some digging we did it looks like when Parks and Wildlife did do burns this winter locals complained of the smoke and they stopped? Some of their paranoia seems to come from the Labor/Greens govt' of last cycle taking the authority off Forrestry and giving it to P&W. Sorry if this becomes a state derail but I couldn't think where to turn to and this pisses me off because I do want to help, and the locals opposing the greens because they believe that the greens (with very little political power) are stopping good environmental management is only hurting them more.
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Tasmantor posted:Any suggestions on what my wife can do when frustrated by a FB wall of dickheads saying Tassie's bush fire woes are the greens fault. We tried posting the greens page with "Climate change will increase the intensity and frequency of bushfires; scientifically-based, ecologically appropriate use of fire is an important means to protect biodiversity and manage habitat effectively.", but english comprehension doesn't seem to be high in rural Tasmania. I feel for many of these people, there are scared and feel a need to lash out at something to regain a little control but this is just wasted effort. Is there a link to a greens page that flat out says "We support fuel reduction burns"? From some digging we did it looks like when Parks and Wildlife did do burns this winter locals complained of the smoke and they stopped? Some of their paranoia seems to come from the Labor/Greens govt' of last cycle taking the authority off Forrestry and giving it to P&W. TBH you should just delete your facebook account. It's up there with the eye cancer that is reddit these days.
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Tasmantor posted:Any suggestions on what my wife can do when frustrated by a FB wall of dickheads saying Tassie's bush fire woes are the greens fault. We tried posting the greens page with "Climate change will increase the intensity and frequency of bushfires; scientifically-based, ecologically appropriate use of fire is an important means to protect biodiversity and manage habitat effectively.", but english comprehension doesn't seem to be high in rural Tasmania. I feel for many of these people, there are scared and feel a need to lash out at something to regain a little control but this is just wasted effort. Is there a link to a greens page that flat out says "We support fuel reduction burns"? From some digging we did it looks like when Parks and Wildlife did do burns this winter locals complained of the smoke and they stopped? Some of their paranoia seems to come from the Labor/Greens govt' of last cycle taking the authority off Forrestry and giving it to P&W. Just tell them that the Victorian fire fighters union donates to the greens and that they probably know more about this poo poo then them.
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Smegmatron posted:So the thing a lot of people don't realise is that universities have been churning out teachers at an insane rate with mixed results in terms of quality. We have more than enough teachers in NSW, to the point that we're actually oversupplied until at least 2020. The two major problems are an under-representation of minorities in teaching roles and casualisation of the workforce which has run so rampant. The only teachers with permanent, ongoing employment are rusted on fossils, and the new teachers who're trying to come up can't get enough consistent work in one place that it's hindering their professional development. From that perspective, anything which hinders more people who JUST LOVE WORKING WITH CHILDREN from entering the sector is a very good thing. The department is very well aware of this too, and they're looking to turn off the tap so they can start to chip away at the ~9 year long waiting list for a permanent position. And I think the quality thing can be addressed through raising the bar for academic achievement to increase quality, rather than the use of a personality test. The system already appears to not be working as well as it could, the introduction of personality testing would only add yet another layer of poo poo on top of a gigantic poo poo sandwich. I honestly think they mean aptitude testing or something like that anyway
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Graic Gabtar posted:TBH you should just delete your facebook account. It's up there with the eye cancer that is reddit these days. Ok are you a normal person now or have I tripped and fell into steven hawkings wheelchair shadow? reddit is more like piles than cancer thoughtbh. haha wow I got a title....yeah island prison camps without basic human rights and torture accusations...deaths...murders...multiple...self immolation...rapes....fun times 10 dollar poo poo oval office sausage eyes fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Jan 23, 2016 |
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Orkin Mang posted:bless all youse and peace be upon youse guys,i wish u were dead Orkin, I never really liked you... Orkin Mang posted:suck my dick Fair enough.
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Starshark posted:Orkin, I never really liked you... no way  in other news, ur drunk comrade
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i just saw revenant and it was superb. the cinemetography was peerless. see it old bean. leo dicaprio does not deserve an oscar because he was just being owned the entire movie in costume. oh my lips are chapped and im disheveled, hi shaun penn thnx. pff
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Orkin Mang posted:no way I don't know how the gently caress you can see all the empty bottles in front of my monitor right now, but that's eerie.
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Starshark posted:I don't know how the gently caress you can see all the empty bottles in front of my monitor right now, but that's eerie. theyre cleanskins and ur anxious about future sobriety. im pouring another glass of bufalo cock acid right now. why do u dislike me??
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Tasmantor posted:Any suggestions on what my wife can do when frustrated by a FB wall of dickheads saying Tassie's bush fire woes are the greens fault. We tried posting the greens page with "Climate change will increase the intensity and frequency of bushfires; scientifically-based, ecologically appropriate use of fire is an important means to protect biodiversity and manage habitat effectively.", but english comprehension doesn't seem to be high in rural Tasmania. I feel for many of these people, there are scared and feel a need to lash out at something to regain a little control but this is just wasted effort. Is there a link to a greens page that flat out says "We support fuel reduction burns"? From some digging we did it looks like when Parks and Wildlife did do burns this winter locals complained of the smoke and they stopped? Some of their paranoia seems to come from the Labor/Greens govt' of last cycle taking the authority off Forrestry and giving it to P&W. https://www.facebook.com/Australian.Greens/posts/141378112687123 second result from googling "greens statement fuel reduction burns"
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SeekOtherCandidate posted:https://www.facebook.com/Australian.Greens/posts/141378112687123 I got into an argument with a taxi driver about this. He claimed he had friends in the Greens who were against 'back burning' (never mind fuel reduction). I'm doubtful of anything he said because he also thought the difference between heavy rail and light rail was the number of passengers using it.
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Starshark posted:I got into an argument with a taxi driver about this. He claimed he had friends in the Greens who were against 'back burning' (never mind fuel reduction). I'm doubtful of anything he said because he also thought the difference between heavy rail and light rail was the number of passengers using it. i love you
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gay picnic defence posted:Numerous large Australian coal mines have had their environmental regulations relaxed, in changes the federal government hopes will make life easier for the struggling industry. Ugh. loving hell. It's only a matter of time before we get our very own Flint, Michigan incident. iajanus posted:As someone with over 800 games in my collection I shudder at being associated with the current crowd of self-proclaimed "gamers". Nothing positive there. Quality over quantity, bro. I'll be on EVE Tuesday evening at 6:30 for the Australia Day ausgoons roam. GrandTheftAutism fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Jan 23, 2016 |
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SeekOtherCandidate posted:https://www.facebook.com/Australian.Greens/posts/141378112687123 Thanks. That is not a search wording I would have thought of I tried more or less that but with policy and stance but never statement because duuuuuuuurrrrrrr I'm an idiot.
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Smegmatron posted:So the thing a lot of people don't realise is that universities have been churning out teachers at an insane rate with mixed results in terms of quality. We have more than enough teachers in NSW, to the point that we're actually oversupplied until at least 2020. The two major problems are an under-representation of minorities in teaching roles and casualisation of the workforce which has run so rampant. The only teachers with permanent, ongoing employment are rusted on fossils, and the new teachers who're trying to come up can't get enough consistent work in one place that it's hindering their professional development. From that perspective, anything which hinders more people who JUST LOVE WORKING WITH CHILDREN from entering the sector is a very good thing. The department is very well aware of this too, and they're looking to turn off the tap so they can start to chip away at the ~9 year long waiting list for a permanent position. I started to think of a way in which they could not crush peoples dreams AFTER they have studied for four years to get a teaching degree when they really shouldn't have, like screened people before hand. Then I thought the Universities wouldn't do that because they'd want more money anyway so figured it would have to be a government takeover kind of deal. A few steps from there and I was dreaming of a fully socialised state of education where you wouldn't get bullshit like this happening and teachers who are really important to our communities not getting permanent jobs for 9 years etc. It was OK
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teacup posted:I started to think of a way in which they could not crush peoples dreams AFTER they have studied for four years to get a teaching degree when they really shouldn't have, like screened people before hand. I'm not sure this would be too beneficial unless it was finding suitability for particular roles. Most people who complete a teaching degree will be able to teach a regular no issues class without much trouble, but those are becoming increasingly rare. To teach more complicated groups though, such as those with learning difficulties, behavioural problems, large groups of ESL students etc are not things everyone will be good at. You then get the other major issue I've encountered, at least in QLD is that the motivated talented teachers of course get the best positions, when to get the most out of their skills they should be given the worst. Inexperienced teacher + whole host of difficult issues to deal with daily = not a teacher for much longer.
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Recoome posted:And I think the quality thing can be addressed through raising the bar for academic achievement to increase quality, rather than the use of a personality test. The system already appears to not be working as well as it could, the introduction of personality testing would only add yet another layer of poo poo on top of a gigantic poo poo sandwich. Good learners don't necessarily make good teachers. Often the opposite, since people with stellar academic performance have absolutely no capacity for understanding how or why underachieving students can't be more like them. Academic aptitude really doesn't matter all that much in secondary beyond having a solid understanding of the subjects you're teaching. Primary school teachers don't need to know anything at all beyond how not to be an awful teacher because, be real, their main job is to keep a room full of toddlers alive for 6 hours a day until they're old enough to go to Big School. Personality actually does matter in teaching. A lot. As much as I loving loathe to raise it, Finland (seen as the gold standard for successful teacher education) requires people seeking entry into a teaching degree to explain why they want to be a teacher, and they do need a drat good reason. "Paid vacation and finishing at 3" is not a suitable answer. Finland is often used to justify any teaching policy, and the person using them as a justification always omits the fact that Finland is an incredible equitable country with a very low level of wealth disparity, which is why education works well there, but that's neither here nor there when it comes to selecting candidates. teacup posted:I started to think of a way in which they could not crush peoples dreams AFTER they have studied for four years to get a teaching degree when they really shouldn't have, like screened people before hand. Then I thought the Universities wouldn't do that because they'd want more money anyway so figured it would have to be a government takeover kind of deal. A few steps from there and I was dreaming of a fully socialised state of education where you wouldn't get bullshit like this happening and teachers who are really important to our communities not getting permanent jobs for 9 years etc. I don't do this because I work as a teacher in a modern western nation and I know the economy and powers that be both view me as a completely interchangeable and expendable part of a system which exists purely to inculturate new consumers and wage slaves. Also it's five or six years, and I'm entirely open to the idea of completely crushing people's dreams before they start a teaching degree. Some people just aren't meant to be in a classroom, and I don't think it's fair to ask a generation of students to carry the burden of someone's lovely teaching. Step one is not letting people commence a teaching degree before the year they turn 25 so they have some time to think about it and don't just do the high school -> uni -> high school revolving door, becoming a socially and culturally stunted adult. See again the Finland example. Watch a video of a Finnish high school teacher and let me know roughly when you fall asleep. They're the most boring, uninteresting lessons you'll ever see, and if you offered them to the NSW DET as evidence of your proficiency as a teacher, they'd laugh at you. Education works there because of Finnish society and culture, not because of any particular quirk of their teacher training programs or workplace conditions. Anglosphere politicians love to pick out the most onerous and politically expedient parts of their education system and impose them on us, like literacy assessments. At the same time, they love to ignore the more important parts like "literally no public money at all spent on private education" "schools which are properly funded, staffed, and equipped to handle all student needs," "ridiculously low levels of poverty due to an incredible welfare state," and "students with non-lovely home lives because their parents can get financial support when they need it, not after 6 months of unemployment and after jumping through hoops." Zenithe posted:I'm not sure this would be too beneficial unless it was finding suitability for particular roles. Most people who complete a teaching degree will be able to teach a regular no issues class without much trouble, but those are becoming increasingly rare. To teach more complicated groups though, such as those with learning difficulties, behavioural problems, large groups of ESL students etc are not things everyone will be good at. These classes literally do not exist in public education, and because the private sector can be more discriminatory and selective in their hiring, they're often taking the teachers most equipped to handle "bad" classes and paying them way more to look after a room of soulless, blindingly white children who couldn't even dream of rebellion. The last survey I read about in NSW said the major reasons new teachers bail on the profession are a lack of permanent employment and a lack of mentorship. Often when you do finally land a permanent job, the first thing the boomers in your staff room will do is make a shortlist of students they hate teaching and then write "YOUR TIMETABLE" across the top. It's a great way to make sure everyone involved has a bad day, but it's what happens when the only people in the profession who don't have to worry whether or not they'll have a job in six months are also the people who are trying to do as little as possible until pension day. 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I'm sure there are some people who are unteachable, but isn't a teaching degree supposed to teach you how to teach? It'd be like telling people they're not cut out for physics or chemistry before they've even had a chance to engage with it.
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Smegmatron posted:Primary school teachers don't need to know anything at all beyond how not to be an awful teacher because, be real, their main job is to keep a room full of toddlers alive for 6 hours a day until they're old enough to go to Big School. Is this what you actually think or are you ironically insulting six years of education?
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open24hours posted:I'm sure there are some people who are unteachable, but isn't a teaching degree supposed to teach you how to teach? It'd be like telling people they're not cut out for physics or chemistry before they've even had a chance to engage with it. How exactly does a university teach a person to be patient and not yell at children who are doing their utmost to give you the shits? Do you think they do units like EDU5055 Rolling With The Punches When Kids Tell You Off? What do you teach a person who looks down on people who don't love a particular subject as much as they do? All they can do is explain to why their lovely personality is bad practice and then kick them out (  ) if/when they keep being a bad teacher on prac. For reference, here's what most teaching degrees cover:
Zenithe posted:Is this what you actually think or are you ironically insulting six years of education? Semi-ironically insulting six years of education based on being forced to work with groups of people who lose their loving minds upon being asked to explain fractions, and then look at me like I'm an alien when I suggest cutting an apple into pieces. The first 12-18 months of primary (again, NSW) are purely about survival and getting kids used to the idea of being away from home for a fully day. Ask a kindergarten specialist if you don't believe me. The rest of our primary curriculum is woefully inadequate and assumes that our kids are borderline incompetent, with incredibly low expectations of them. It is getting much better, but for a very long time though, the main focus of primary education has been behaviour and inculturation with learning beyond the absolute fundamentals of language and numbers coming second. As a rule, secondary teachers semi-seriously loathe primary teachers because we're sick of being handed year 7 classes full of kids who are way behind where they should be for their year level because their stage 3 teachers put them in the too hard basket and figure the secondary system will fix it. Smegmatron fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Jan 24, 2016 |
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Smegmatron posted:How exactly does a university teach a person to be patient and not yell at children who are doing their utmost to give you the shits? Do you think they do units like EDU5055 Rolling With The Punches When Kids Tell You Off? What do you teach a person who looks down on people who don't love a particular subject as much as they do? All they can do is explain to why their lovely personality is bad practice and then kick them out ( If it is truly the case that modern Australian teaching degrees don't even attempt to teach people how to deal with difficult students then that's a much stronger case for reforming teacher education than it is for excluding people from it.
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Smegmatron posted:As a rule, secondary teachers semi-seriously loathe primary teachers because we're sick of being handed year 7 classes full of kids who are way behind where they should be for their year level because their stage 3 teachers put them in the too hard basket and figure the secondary system will fix it. As a rule for who, because I've never come across that sentiment as a kind of cultural thing between primary and secondary teachers (my time is split across both). Individuals sure in both directions, but I've never seen it as an occupation wide grudge. Maybe you should open a dialogue with your primary schools and give them feedback on their teaching results or something instead of calling them people whose job is to "keep a roomful of toddlers alive". The best thing two of my schools ever did for their kids was to give feedback on what skills are required and useful (i.e. fractions) for high school subjects so that they can get a far more continuous education with as little disruption and remedial study as possible.
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open24hours posted:If it is truly the case that modern Australian teaching degrees don't even attempt to teach people how to deal with difficult students then that's a much stronger case for reforming teacher education than it is for excluding people from it. Teacher degrees follow the AITSL standards for teaching because they're what are used to assess teachers throughout their career, and they're also how the unis gain accreditation as teacher training institutions. If they don't teach to these specific standards, their students won't be accredited as teachers. There's only one standard that applies to managing behaviour, and it's, well... not really. quote:Create and maintain supportive and safe learning environments Note how the emphasis is entirely on safety, and not on actual good behaviour, except for that one sub-point. The idea of inclusion means a good teacher should be looking at how to make sure an ADD kid, for instance, is able to participate in a way which doesn't require the class to sit still for hours on end, which should have the follow-on effect of mitigating any obnoxious behaviour, but people are complex and there's never an easy solution. It's mainly special education units which cover this stuff, and it's usually pretty cursory because they have 18 months to cover seven of these incredibly vague standards or their graduates can't go on to be teachers. Zenithe posted:As a rule for who, because I've never come across that sentiment as a kind of cultural thing between primary and secondary teachers (my time is split across both). Individuals sure in both directions, but I've never seen it as an occupation wide grudge. I've had a weird couple of years in that I've worked at the extreme ends of the spectrum for what people would call a "good" or "bad" public school but not the middle. English teachers in particular are constantly griping about their stage 5 classes' literacy and the maths teachers I speak too are usually unimpressed with the literacy in their junior classes too. I'm an ESL teacher, so skimping on literacy is something that bugs me more than most because I know it isn't that difficult to teach to kids who already speak the language, so it becomes more a question of willingness rather than ability. Also lol at the idea that a recent graduate is around long enough to finish introducing themselves before their contract is over and they're begging for their job again. Smegmatron fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Jan 24, 2016 |
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open24hours posted:You're making a good case for reform then. Maybe make it a four (five?) year degree? It's already six years if you do a B.Ed/B.Whatever combined or B.Whatever/M.Teach. I think you can wrap it all up in four and a half if you do a 3 year bachelors and a graduate diploma. Maybe they could reform it by making people wait until they finish their undergrad so they don't start a six year teaching degree when they're 18, and then sit down and have a chat with them before undertaking postgraduate study to make sure it's what they really want to do and that they're prepared for it. You know, like some sort of interview, perhaps. Smegmatron fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Jan 24, 2016 |
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A not-insignificant amount of primary school teachers "just love kids" and will announce it at every given opportunity as if it's their most important qualification. Day loving one of uni in a b.Ed and you're doing the stupid meet and greet bullshit, the question gets asked: "Why do you want to be a teacher?" -- the response from the primary school lot was exactly what you'd expect, and almost all of them were denser than a second coat of paint. They are universally terrible, educationally speaking.
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Goodpart posted:A not-insignificant amount of primary school teachers "just love kids" and will announce it at every given opportunity as if it's their most important qualification. Day loving one of uni in a b.Ed and you're doing the stupid meet and greet bullshit, the question gets asked: "Why do you want to be a teacher?" -- the response from the primary school lot was exactly what you'd expect, and almost all of them were denser than a second coat of paint. Do you personally know many primary school teachers?
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