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enraged_camel posted:Oh man, can you imagine? Not only are they freezing their asses off with no electricity or hot showers, with the rest of the world watching and laughing, but they're also not getting drunk. There was actually a musical about that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNEh4bm6rNQ
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Perfectly Safe posted:Indeed so. The people who are already happy to swallow the nonsense will doubtless consider it a victory because they always will. It's the maybes that you have to worry about. It's a PR victory if you get more adherents than you would do under other circumstances. Sure, but you were talking like the fact that they look dumb to US means that they look dumb to everyone. If you ever listen to Pete's stream, he constantly gets callers saying "YOU GUYS ARE DOING GOOD WORK", even though the "occupation" is really really pathetic
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theflyingorc posted:Sure, but you were talking like the fact that they look dumb to US means that they look dumb to everyone. If you ever listen to Pete's stream, he constantly gets callers saying "YOU GUYS ARE DOING GOOD WORK", even though the "occupation" is really really pathetic I just don't think that the parade of drunks and lunatics (and sumo wrestlers) is doing a particularly good job of advertising this thing to people who aren't already sold.
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The fact that this guy isn't spending the next few years/decades in a federal prison is really all that needs to be said about the US government's stance on (not) prosecuting right wing militia types. Crain posted:Harvey Country Sheriff has put a moratorium on community meetings from here on out till the occupation is resolved. From the article: "Meanwhile, a reputed refuge occupier, the first to be arrested, was in a federal courtroom in Medford on Monday, facing charges of violating his pre-trial agreement after a previous government protest by once again occupying federal land. A federal magistrate found probable cause for that violation and unauthorized use of a refuge-owned vehicle with which he was arrested Jan. 15 at the Burns Safeway. The judge ordered Kenneth Medenbach, 62, of Crescent, to be detained until his trial, scheduled for March 22." It seems all we need for militia members to be arrested and charged is to be caught red-handed committing grand theft (and other crimes) while also violating parole. Discendo Vox posted:The justice system and law enforcement has really only started coordinating resources on sovcits in the past few years, in part because the movement mushroomed after Obama was elected-until that point it was dying out as many of the figures selling it dropped off the radar or were jailed. Except federal investigation in to the sovcits and other far right groups was pulled back after the report that correctly pointed out how crazy and dangerous these people are, and the right wing cried about it.
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You've also got people like this guy, a local who's doing the whole "their methods are wrong but they're bringing attention to the issues" thing: https://twitter.com/occupied_burns/status/691791942112415744 It was then pointed out to him that both of these people are literal domestic terrorists. As in, one has been charged with making terroristic threats, the other has unashamedly stated that the only thing Timothy McVeigh did wrong was detonating his bombs during the day instead of at night. Evil Fluffy posted:The fact that this guy isn't spending the next few years/decades in a federal prison is really all that needs to be said about the US government's stance on (not) prosecuting right wing militia types. No, see, he's not threatening anybody. He's just willing to defend his rights.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Except federal investigation in to the sovcits and other far right groups was pulled back after the report that correctly pointed out how crazy and dangerous these people are, and the right wing cried about it. SovCits aren't exclusively far right, they appeal to anybody really distrustful of authority For one example, they've been weirdly successful in a number of urban black communities - there's been a spike of SovCit rhetoric in Baltimore City courts As a Millennial I posted:It was then pointed out to him that both of these people are literal domestic terrorists. As in, one has been charged with making terroristic threats, the other has unashamedly stated that the only thing Timothy McVeigh did wrong was detonating his bombs during the day instead of at night.
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As a Millennial I posted:It was then pointed out to him that both of these people are literal domestic terrorists. As in, one has been charged with making terroristic threats, the other has unashamedly stated that the only thing Timothy McVeigh did wrong was detonating his bombs during the day instead of at night. Having lovely opinions (like the McVeigh thing) does not make someone a literal domestic terrorist.
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Perfectly Safe posted:Maybe have a go at actually reading the thread? I mean, you didn't notice that none of the people actually involved in the thread responded to such a gross misrepresentation of their views? That didn't...didn't give you cause for a moment of reflection? Thought you'd just seize the day? Take the bull by the horns? Did you...did you just say "life's too short!" to yourself? Sort of mentally punch the air? Is that what happened? Maybe people didn't respond to this gross misrepresentation because they didn't care enough about your misrepresentation to respond?
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prefect posted:Having lovely opinions (like the McVeigh thing) does not make someone a literal domestic terrorist. Bin Laden's only mistake was attacking the WTC during the day.
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chitoryu12 posted:Maybe people didn't respond to this gross misrepresentation because they didn't care enough about your misrepresentation to respond? Perfectly Safe is on the "government inaction at this time is the correct option" side of the debate. He was being satirical of other posters in the thread when he said "literally nobody thinks they should be punished" Aesop Poprock did not know he was being satirical, probably because you need a ton of context to know that. Perfectly Safe then got really really mad about being called a moron for opinions he doesn't actually hold, even though it was probably the most piss poor satire in the whole of this thread where half the things posted are sarcastically saying "BUT WE DON'T WANT WACO" again and again
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Watch: Man seeking to join Oregon standoff, 'help with killing federal agents,' arrestedquote:I'm a green beret colonel! My records are sealed for Ronald Raegan! I'm gonna kill all you sonsabitches! MariusLecter fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Jan 26, 2016 |
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Saw this linked on twitter, and couldn't believe that fark still existed. I'm sure the feeling is mutual.quote:For those of you keeping score at home (UPDATED YET AGAIN): GameCube fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Jan 26, 2016 |
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MariusLecter posted:Watch: Man seeking to join Oregon standoff, 'help with killing federal agents,' arrested The man, Joseph A. Stetson, appeared to be intoxicated and had a pellet gun in his belt holster, the Facebook post said. He resisted arrest and directed repeated, profanity-laced death threats toward the authorities who were arresting him. 
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This farm has been sending meat to the "patriots" since day one. They also named a goat after their hero.
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quote:Blaine Cooper: Claimed to be a U.S. Marine veteran. Signed up for the Marines under the Delayed Entry Program, never reported to USMC boot camp. Usually strutting around in Army Multi-Cam. His wife is also allegedly at the site. Has a rap sheet a mile long. That's not his original name. He legally changed it. If it sounds familiar, it's Jesse Ventura's character's name from Predator. Absolutely amazing
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As a Millennial I posted:Saw this linked on twitter, and couldn't believe that fark still existed. I'm sure the feeling is mutual. Why am I not surprised almost everyone there is on welfare and/or faking being a veteran? I mean, it was safe to assume, but seeing it all in one list is just jarring.
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theflyingorc posted:Absolutely amazing How else do you expect someone to become a sexual tyrannosaurus? 
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So why is it still 1215 AD in their fantasy world? 
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Abner Cadaver II posted:So why is it still 1215 AD in their fantasy world? Time reset when the Magna Carta was ratified/created/signed.
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chitoryu12 posted:Maybe people didn't respond to this gross misrepresentation because they didn't care enough about your misrepresentation to respond? I guess it's not impossible. I would in any case imagine that most people would recognise an absurd statement in response to an absurd attempt from another poster to start an argument for what it is. Although the whole thing evidently flew over theflyingorc's head, so who knows?
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Taerkar posted:His real name is John Rambo. Since this and all sort sorts of other related nuttery has already come up, I've been trying to find out if one of my favorite Vietnam-era fringe loon, Colonel "Bo" Gritz, has voiced any opinions on this whole matter. He was mixed up in Ruby Ridge, was a Mormon convert before switching over to a Christian Identity variant, and is generally insane and conspiratorially minded, so I've half expected to hear something about him. On the other hand, he is in his eighties these days so perhaps not, and he's a virulent anti-Semite, so that whole "blowing the horn" thing might've turned him off or convinced him it's an NWO false flag op.
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As a Millennial I posted:Saw this linked on twitter, and couldn't believe that fark still existed. I'm sure the feeling is mutual. Lying about military service to get elected. Truly a politician America deserves. 
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As a Millennial I posted:"Arrested for DUI en route to the site. Claimed to be a retired U.S. Army Special Forces colonel, whose records were personally sealed by President Reagan. None of the math adds up on his age, alleged rank and claimed military service with Reagan's term in office. At least one conviction for domestic violence, for vandalizing his ex-wife's trailer".
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Taerkar posted:His real name is John Rambo.  So what's Bolo-tie Haram up to these days anyway? Perfectly Safe posted:What does having your records sealed actually mean, and what's the significance of it (and it allegedly being done by Reagan)? What he's trying to say that his records are Need to Know, however he is retarded. "Sealing" your military records is utter bullshit. Certain parts can be "Sealed" to protect your privacy, but your entire records can't just be sealed by the president because you went on a super-secret mission to hide from DEP. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jan 26, 2016 |
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Perfectly Safe posted:What does having your records sealed actually mean, and what's the significance of it (and it allegedly being done by Reagan)? He has solidarity with Reagan because he's so special and that's why you can't find any legit records of the stuff he claims so you better take everything he says seriously!!
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Perfectly Safe posted:What does having your records sealed actually mean, and what's the significance of it (and it allegedly being done by Reagan)? One of two things: If by Reagan then he did super cool and secret stuff in South America that pussy liberal USA isn't ready to handle yet If by Obama/Clinton then his normal/heroic deeds in the Middle East were sealed because they hate true patriots and want to bury true heros.
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Oh, ok, thanks guys. That's kinda what I thought, but I couldn't imagine having your military record sealed as an indication of unimpeachable moral fibre, nor why he was yelling the same rather specific set of words while absolutely shitfaced. But of course, it's right up there with "I got expelled from Hogwarts!".
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This poo poo just keeps getting crazier. Turns out the sovereign citizens are the ones who helped kidnap those kids back from CPS.quote:Bruce Doucette, a Colorado man assisting the militants, said he called the relative, identified himself as a “United States at Superior Court Judge” and threatened “to bring him up on charges to the grand jury of kidnapping” if he did not turn over the girls to their mother and DeMoreta-Folch.
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As a Millennial I posted:Saw this linked on twitter, and couldn't believe that fark still existed. I'm sure the feeling is mutual. I'll add a few things to this list based on what I know. Joe "Captain O" O'Shaugnessy: After about a week, O'Shaugnessy began openly suspecting that the occupation was a trap. This is arguably part of the reason he abandoned living at the refuge, along with the fights he got into and his desire to go drink away the donation money. quote:“Has anyone stopped to think how did they get some of the greatest men in the Patriot movement to go out in the middle of nowhere to [occupy] a small building…at the coldest time of the year at a time where everybody is broke because of the [holidays]. I don’t know about you but this is all starting to look fishy to me.” Was the electricity left on, he asked, “because the place was already pre-bugged…There is a lot more going on here than meets the eye.” Ryan Payne: Believes that the Jews are trying or tried to control the world. Jon Ritzheimer: An anti-Muslim extremist who runs Rogue Infidel. Was formerly a member of the Oath Keepers, but after claiming that they were "ready for offense" and threatening to "arrest" politicians (including Obama) he was kicked out for basically openly advocating domestic terrorism.
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Crain posted:Time reset when the Magna Carta was ratified/created/signed. The Magna Carta was signed 1215 years ago?
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Intel&Sebastian posted:From a scan of local news it looks like rep graham hunt is now scrubbing his online profile after being tagged for his stolen valor poo poo. Yeah, I'm cool with this. I'm not all "go american military world police" or anything but if you were only a POG then you really don't get to start talking like you're Walter Sobchak to gain sympathy. And even if you were a grunt you still shouldn't loving talk like Walter Sobchak to get your way.
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As a Millennial I posted:This poo poo just keeps getting crazier. Turns out the sovereign citizens are the ones who helped kidnap those kids back from CPS. So they DID bring the girls to the Refuge. Gosh I can't imagine why CPS would want to take their kids away. Surely, they are better off surrounded by violent armed loons in a place their parents are fairly sure will get raided by the FBI rather than at his brother's house. gently caress these assholes.
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The Larch posted:The Magna Carta was signed 1215 years ago? Nah, I got their crazy wrong. It was signed in 1215. So they must just keep using that year because it's a "power word" or some poo poo.
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kartikeya posted:So they DID bring the girls to the Refuge. Gosh I can't imagine why CPS would want to take their kids away. Surely, they are better off surrounded by violent armed loons in a place their parents are fairly sure will get raided by the FBI rather than at his brother's house. 
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I'm enjoying a facebook friend arguing with his Mormon friend about how Ammon was driven to do this by personal inspiration from God how to reconcile it with the church's official statement 
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A Winner is Jew posted:Yeah, I'm cool with this. That's what happens with these stolen valor cowards. Like they could pretend to just be a generator mechanic on a base somewhere in fallujah (which I was), and no one would bat an eye. But instead they have to pretend to be the highest speed, lowest drag black ops badasses because they crave the attention. Like that guy that never even showed up to boot camp, he will probably claim that the DEP program recognized what a badass he was and spirited him away in the night to some super off-the-books black ops unit. That's why his 'official'  record says he never 'officially' showed up to boot camp, but really he was so Top Secret he doesn't even exist  I've met people like that in real life. Douchebags that are like fat, bloused jeans into their bootcamp-issued boots, with raging high-and-tights that claim they were kicked out of the Marines for being too tough. When really they washed out in 6 weeks for not being able to climb a loving rope. They are prime candidates for this military cosplay bullshit, they get to wear a uniform and carry a gun without any of that tedious "actually deploy to an active war zone" stuff.
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^^^ Plus a lot of people wash out or just say gently caress it and leave the DEP because they realize that the military life isn't appealing to them after all and wanting to enlist was a poor decision helped along by recruiters who have quotas to meet.As a Millennial I posted:This poo poo just keeps getting crazier. Turns out the sovereign citizens are the ones who helped kidnap those kids back from CPS. Look maybe a group of these people engaged in kidnapping and other felonies but we can't just expect law enforcement to go in and arrest them and rescue those children but OKC and emboldened militias 
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