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Jacobin posted:Ice cold man... ice cold Sounds like someone got a "come to Jesus" talk from the feds.
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fsif posted:Yeah I don't mean to suggest that this is an exact parallel to unarmed black men (and boys) being shot down by city police, but it's premature for us to just take "they shot first" at face value. I agree it's much more likely these guys did indeed start a serious altercation, but I don't think it's enough to take the police's word for it without serious investigation. We shouldn't jump to conclusions until we know more about the goals of the armed insurgents who have stated that they aren't going to be arrested without a fight.
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fsif posted:Yeah I don't mean to suggest that this is an exact parallel to unarmed black men (and boys) being shot down by city police, but it's premature for us to just take "they shot first" at face value. I agree it's much more likely these guys did indeed start a serious altercation, but I don't think it's enough to take the police's word for it without serious investigation. Several months ago these exact same people pointed guns at BLM members and threatened to use women and children as body shields during a shoot out with federal agents. The ones still alive and out of custody are currently going to fight to the death.
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Santelli's got a new stream up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohw1uI1NsmU No quarter for any of the assholes that have gone on record saying they are willing to die. Throw a gun at their feet if you have to 
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Volkerball posted:i've seen reports of 800 dead and 2,000 wounded, as well as about 8 other names of people being the one who was killed in that chat. evilweasel posted:they're trying to claim he was shot after he surrendered so expect to hear about that for a while, hopefully everything is on video STAC Goat posted:I'm watching this recorded Santelli video and its absurd. Santelli is freaking out yelling "No one has to die! Calm down FBI! Its time to go! Its over!" Like, what the hell did you think you were doing here? How did you expect this poo poo to end? STAC Goat posted:Now I'm up to the part where Pete is freaking out because "Blaine" is apparently going to go Suicide by Cop or something. STAC Goat posted:Seriously, what the gently caress is wrong with these people? THIS IS WHAT YOU JUST SPENT THE LAST MONTH ASKING FOR, YOU ASSHOLES! YOU KILLED THAT GUY! YOU MADE KIDS INTO HOSTAGES!
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fsif posted:Yeah I don't mean to suggest that this is an exact parallel to unarmed black men (and boys) being shot down by city police, but it's premature for us to just take "they shot first" at face value. I agree it's much more likely these guys did indeed start a serious altercation, but I don't think it's enough to take the police's word for it without serious investigation. I'm with you. I've said all along that I want the cops to preserve life as rule #1 in this just as much as I do in any inner city or with any person of any color. Its sad that a life was lost and it should be scrutinized. But, you know. A month of "they'll never take me alive" makes an impact on your perspective.
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Weembles posted:Sounds like someone got a "come to Jesus" talk from the feds. Reminds me of something out of Man in the High Castle
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MechaFrogzilla posted:Posted it on the last page. Looks inapplicable under the facts as we know them. which is good, overly broad felony murder rules are an invitation to gross injustices and this should be obvious to anyone who thinks about them seriously
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Alter Ego posted:It's unfortunate that one of these wackjobs had to die to end this. Their family shouldn't have had to suffer because of their idiocy. Mr Interweb posted:Man, sorta sad to hear that it was Tarp Man that bit the dust. He was probably the least worst person in the the militia. Neither of you were particularly familiar with the guy who was shot beyond him being the one hiding under the tarp, are you? He's the one who had a flow of orphans going through his ranch and who collected over $100,000 in government money a year as a foster parent (until the charities involved decided to stop recently I think? Someone mentioned that, and that they only do that after repeated reports of abuse or something) while most likely having the kids work as (government-funded, underage) ranch hands on his ranch, and who was the one who had the kids kidnapped from CPS if I recall correctly. That he died isn't a good thing, but in all honesty out of everyone there I'd argue that he probably "deserved" death the most, being a child-exploiting bastard. And, given that he did make all those statements about dying rather than being arrested, while I definitely want more details I think I may know how his death came about.
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trickybiscuits posted:I've seen reports of 200 people shot or taken away with bags over their heads. These reports exist because people are moron(i)s. well youtube chatters are just youtube commenters who are free at the moment, so
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Oh good. He is getting the book along with the rest of them. Maybe he'll learn that being a member of the press, instead of the "press", actually has rules.
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Baron Porkface posted:I missed everything and I dont keep track of which livestream is which, what one is best? there's only one?
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Woooooooo!quote:Several hours later, Jon Ritzheimer, 32, a key militant leader, surrendered to police on the conspiracy charge. He gained national fame for complaining on a video about the delivery of sex toys to the refuge in response to the occupiers' plea for supplies. 
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Mr Interweb posted:Woooooooo! I'm so glad that's the second sentence of the story.
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UV_Catastrophe posted:If they actually stand their ground, there's no way this doesn't become some kind of long, drawn out siege of attrition. It sucks since I assume this is what the FBI was desperately trying to avoid by waiting until they could grab all these guys at once away from the hostages. Sadly they sound like they left at least one nutter behind.
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Jacobin posted:Ice cold man... ice cold This is a goddamned masterstroke. They played into their delusions to lure the leadership into an ambush. It's a perfect countermove. It's also going to drive an astonishing wave of paranoia in the movement. This will lead to some.............interesting and very public meltdowns.
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kartikeya posted:Ritzheimer is not in Oregon. Lol go ahead and pretend to care about your girls now, last I checked daddy took an oath. Shut the gently caress up and face the music rear end in a top hat.
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Mr Interweb posted:Woooooooo! good. that's the guy who put out the tearfilled video about how he was ready to die there, so it's good he surrendered.
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news here, but Blaine is going to do everything he can to make sure those kids die on live TV
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UV_Catastrophe posted:If they actually stand their ground, there's no way this doesn't become some kind of long, drawn out siege of attrition. Since they have been allowed to move freely they probably don't have the supplies to actually stay there for a long time.
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Prester Jane posted:This is a goddamned masterstroke. They played into their delusions to lure the leadership into an ambush. It's a perfect countermove. If that Sheriff actually turns out to have been playing the SovCit movement in order to honeypot them I'll eat a literal crow.
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Roland Jones posted:Neither of you were particularly familiar with the guy who was shot beyond him being the one hiding under the tarp, are you? He's the one who had a flow of orphans going through his ranch and who collected over $100,000 in government money a year as a foster parent (until the charities involved decided to stop recently I think? Someone mentioned that, and that they only do that after repeated reports of abuse or something) while most likely having the kids work as (government-funded, underage) ranch hands on his ranch, and who was the one who had the kids kidnapped from CPS if I recall correctly. You're right, but that's why I said he was the least worst person. Still bad, but probably not as bad as that Ritzheimer or Santelli gently caress.
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Epic High Five posted:Hate to be the bearer of bad news here, but Blaine is going to do everything he can to make sure those kids die on live TV and a man who just surrendered claimed he'd fight to the death there. we don't know how any of these people are going to respond.
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Prester Jane posted:This is a goddamned masterstroke. They played into their delusions to lure the leadership into an ambush. It's a perfect countermove. i can only imagine how bad the chaos going on back at the refuge. i am sure some are loving fleeing and others are barricading the place up.
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atomicthumbs posted:https://twitter.com/LesZaitz/status/692192654378078208 Yes. Blaine Cooper has, via Pete Santilli and that woman on his stream, said as much. They were freaking out earlier and Pete got arrested trying to go back to the refuge to try and get them out.
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Epic High Five posted:Hate to be the bearer of bad news here, but Blaine is going to do everything he can to make sure those kids die on live TV Can someone explain the situation with the kids?
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Crain posted:If that Sheriff actually turns out to have been playing the SovCit movement in order to honeypot them I'll eat a literal crow. Yea, most PDs are filled with insane crazy people, around here they openly associate with the local biker gangs, and not the weekend dad ones.
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Crain posted:Yes. Blaine Cooper has, via Pete Santilli and that woman on his stream, said as much. They were freaking out earlier and Pete got arrested trying to go back to the refuge to try and get them out. well, this could get ugly.
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LGD posted:which is good, overly broad felony murder rules are an invitation to gross injustices and this should be obvious to anyone who thinks about them seriously Agreed. There are plenty of more applicable statutes they can nail these guys with.
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Crain posted:If that Sheriff actually turns out to have been playing the SovCit movement in order to honeypot them I'll eat a literal crow. If the Sheriff was gaming the Bundy's to lure them out then that actually makes the FBI/LE seem rather competent.
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Roland Jones posted:Neither of you were particularly familiar with the guy who was shot beyond him being the one hiding under the tarp, are you? He's the one who had a flow of orphans going through his ranch and who collected over $100,000 in government money a year as a foster parent (until the charities involved decided to stop recently I think? Someone mentioned that, and that they only do that after repeated reports of abuse or something) while most likely having the kids work as (government-funded, underage) ranch hands on his ranch, and who was the one who had the kids kidnapped from CPS if I recall correctly. I think the one who kidnapped his kids back was Cooper.
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