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Captain Bravo posted:Oh my god. I didn't click the link, and I should have, because that's my loving friend. Whoever said he lost his job over this was 100% correct, this poo poo got him fired and it was hilarious. He actually posted this video himself, trying to show how much of an rear end in a top hat the cop was, and we laughed and laughed at his dumb rear end. He still drives a truck now, somehow he didn't lose his Class C over this, but man it's weird to see someone actually become a meme. I'm debating whether or not to post this on his facebook wall now. That is an A+ plan, please do it and report back with whatever happens.
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Could you ask him why he decided to let the window get broken? I'm genuinely curious.
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They should send all these chucklefucks to angola to find out what cotton picking can do for a man.
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Epic High Five posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCozh_vbYdM These are pretty good but I feel the cop from Illinois was being an rear end hole. Most of the rest of them displayed a superhuman amount of patience though.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:Could you ask him why he decided to let the window get broken? I'm genuinely curious. I think we're talking about different clips, my buddy is the dumbass truck driver with the nose ring who harassed a border agent. His window isn't broken.
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Captain Bravo posted:I think we're talking about different clips, my buddy is the dumbass truck driver with the nose ring who harassed a border agent. His window isn't broken. Whoops. Could have sworn they broke the window in that clip.
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So what is the current state? What I know is that the FBI captured the leaders in a road blockade. A few people abandoned the occupied building. So the people that stay are the most crazy ones. Anything new since this?
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Tei posted:So what is the current state? FBI is sitting around making the  face plus  getting ready to take the last couple pieces of poo poo out of the refuge.
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FAUXTON posted:FBI is sitting around making the The klingons?
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SocketWrench posted:Well, some of it really does sound tempting. I almost did years ago because my mailman at the time was one and we used to chat in the hallway when i was home. He'd go on about how taxes aren't legal "because the Constitution says...". "You don't have to agree to income tax because it wasn't agreed and voted on by all the states. There's this form you can get where you can exempt yourself". I dare say that the no tax and "the federal government owes you at least $600,000" thing can be quite a hook too. Tei posted:A solution to the conflict is to build a wall around the building and put "federal jail" in the door of the wall. They are already in federal land. I think the general online mockery is pretty positive. It doesn't mean that one can't feel a shred of sympathy for them - it would be pretty difficult to grow up with Cliven Bundy as your father and in a broader culture of loudmouthed stupidity, macho victimhood and hand-me-down bitterness and not come out with some pretty poisonous ideas. The response through social media to all this has been, I think, a healthy mix of derision and genuine outrage. The point is that these people are absurd. Their lack of self-awareness and general incompetence has been relentlessly pointed out and ridiculed. And that's useful when you have people on the fringes (there are plenty of people out there who feel alienated or, for various reasons, have a view of the world that's been skewed) who see that response and can know it's authentic and human simply because it is funny and organic. I think that the common mindset that will readily accept the idea of the feds faking a video and hiring people to downvote on youtube will struggle to explain spontaneous humour. Tyrannical governments just aren't very funny. Also, it's simply very discouraging to know that "the people" aren't going to take you seriously (and that the FBI will). Finally, I think "hate" is an inaccurate description. People are justifiably angry over a number of things, not least of which is that these people really did try to start an uprising against the government over a transparently selfish view of how the country should be (and they inconvenienced carp lady. Carpe Carp). It's also worth mentioning that this has been handled successfully, but it could have got completely out of control. Irrespective of how incompetent and out of their depth they were, they absolutely must face trial for the crimes that they have committed and people are justifiably enthusiastic about that happening. Jonas Albrecht posted:Whoops. Could have sworn they broke the window in that clip. The guy with the nosering gets his window broken. Perfectly Safe fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Jan 28, 2016 |
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I thought you could tell U.S. Border Patrol to gently caress off at checkpoints since they are like 50 miles past the actual border or something.
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Epic High Five posted:Yeah that was the one that was silliest to me. Unless he's got a truck full of illegals he just talked himself out of a quick inspection and couple jokes with the officer and into getting beat the hell up on the side of the road. It's a nice day right? Step out and while people are rummaging around looking for whatever get some stories out of him. The sovcit looks so in over his head the whole time too it's glorious, like a border agent is going to be totally ignorant of inspection law The best part is "poo poo" when the BP guy busts his window, it isn't a shocked exclamation, more like frustration that his bullshit didn't fly.
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Captain Bravo posted:He actually posted this video himself, trying to show how much of an rear end in a top hat the cop was, and we laughed and laughed at his dumb rear end. "Man, check out how I own this judge by shouting, 'I AM NOT A PERSON,' until I get held in contempt of court."
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Bastard Tetris posted:Wait your USPS mail carrier was a sovereign citizen? The level of cognitive dissonance to enable that sort of life is just kinda admirable. Working for the post office as a SovCit isn't really that big a stretch, since the creation of post offices is a government power specifically mentioned in the constitution. When I was hired on with the IRS, though, one of the guys in my group was an extreme right-wing anti-government idiot, to the point where he wouldn't ride mass transit (despite receiving a free pass from the IRS) because it was socialist and a government overreach. He complained constantly about how much money the government wasted on paying worthless employees who didn't do any work. I'm pretty sure he actively hated that he worked for the IRS, but wasn't willing to give up the easy paycheck. He was "allowed to resign" one day before his probation period ended. When his work was reassigned to the rest of the group, we found out that he most assuredly was a worthless government employee who didn't do any work. So I guess the government did listen to him, and cut that little bit of waste.
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im gay posted:I thought you could tell U.S. Border Patrol to gently caress off at checkpoints since they are like 50 miles past the actual border or something. I believe you can if you're a United States citizen, as I've certainly seen people do it in YouTube videos, so I think Douchemaster Sovcit there hosed up by refusing to answer the question that would have given him carte blanche to act like a knob to them without having to worry about tasting the pain.
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Best of part of Sovereign Citizen antics is to try to get the Judge or Sheriff to accept a bundle of papers and then claiming they owe them £30 billion in silver or gold coins.
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How did you miss the, "You are trying to taze my nuts! That is an IMPROPER USE OF THE TASER!"
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Here's the excerpts from the criminal complaint that specifically mention Pete Santilli. My understanding is that they're charging him based on the fact that he was personally calling for more protestors, not just relaying the militants' message. Interesting that even in their quotes, he's super careful (consummate professional he is) to specify that he wants unarmed people to show up. I wonder if it'll make a difference.
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As a Millennial I posted:Here's the excerpts from the criminal complaint that specifically mention Pete Santilli. Probably not, since he's still encouraging people to support felonious acts, and come join or support a group of people who have broken in to a federal building/park and are conspiring to commit further unlawful acts against the federal government.
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Tesseraction posted:I believe you can if you're a United States citizen, as I've certainly seen people do it in YouTube videos, so I think Douchemaster Sovcit there hosed up by refusing to answer the question that would have given him carte blanche to act like a knob to them without having to worry about tasting the pain. In general, refusing to self-identify as a US citizen and then ranting on about the rights afforded to US citizens seems pretty, oh, what's the word...
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theflyingorc posted:I'm on my phone now, but in the morning I'll try to write up a "What is a SovCit" post to explain what's probably going to happen when Bundy appears in court. Alright, so I guess some people don't understand the Sovereign Citizen movement very much. I'm no expert, but I can give an overview. Sovereign Citizens, or Freemen on the Land, are part of a national "movement" that uses poor logic and understanding of the world to say that the federal government has no right to tell them what to do. The movement is mostly comprised of people who, at some point, were incredibly desperate and had no recourse against the legal system - people who didn't pay their taxes for 5 years, people who got their 6th DUI, people who shot at a "trespasser" that turned out to be a cop. Hopeless people searching online find people PROMISING that if you follow these simple rules, the government cannot touch you. The base claim is saying that the government CANNOT do anything to you unless you give consent. This is, of course, not true. However, the trick is that the government will wait an extremely long time before forcing you to do things. The government prefers for you to do what you're supposed to when they ask. If you miss court dates for a traffic ticket, it could easily be years before that results in a cop showing up at your house, and then months before they attempt to forcibly remove you. So, to the sovereign citizen, this appears like the system is working. Many SovCits will talk online about how they haven't paid their taxes in several years, not realizing that the IRS is even slower moving than the FBI. LEGAL JARGON: This is the hallmark of Sovereign Citizens. They believe that the government cannot touch you if you don't consent, but then believe that they can TRICK you into consenting. This manifests in dozens of ways, but the most common are: Recognizing their authority. All courts are actually maritime courts because of dumb stuff with the flag and also wording of the Univeral Commerce Clause. So since we're here doing Boatlaw, nothing they say matters and they have no jurisdiction over me. Allowing them to call you a "person". SovCits have this crazy shadow conspiracy theory about how there are two versions of you - the flesh-and-blood you and the on-paper version of you, represented by YOUR NAME in all caps. You have to be VERY careful to refer to the right one at all times, which is where :john:of-the-family:  : stuff comes from. They'll often be very carefully instructed how to fill out forms with this crazy naming convention. They'll constantly say "I am the man in the flesh, but not the person referred to in this document" or some such. Oh, also this shadow person means the government owes you $2 million. For reasons.Admitting that you "understand" something. See, when the government asks you "do you understand", what they are saying is that you "stand under" their authority. Yes, this is real. WHAT ABOUT THE BUNDYS? It's hard to say, and depends on how deep in the well Ammon is, mostly. If Ammon is full on SovCit, not just "biblical literalist but for the constitution", it is unlikely that he'll back down from any of this nonsense. SovCits double down, and double down, and double down again even though their legal nonsense isn't working. Being patient with them costs the government a TON of money, but the government does it because it's sorta the right thing to do. If Ammon is fully Sovereignized and Loving It, he'll probably forego a lawyer and try to defend himself, and constantly break the rules for court proceedings. He's almost certainly going to argue weird stuff about jurisdiction because of the constitution, but for maximum comedy I hope he's 100% SovCit and starts talking about JOINDER and THE FLESH AND BLOOD MAN. edit: Oh, that's another fun one. A TON of SovCits are people who can't drive because of DUIs, so a really high percentage of their beliefs are about Driver's Licenses. They claim the government cannot restrict your right to travel, and then use some other weird garbage to say that you don't DRIVE a car, you TRAVEL in a car. So Driver's licenses aren't a thing. That's why the guy was yelling about IM NOT DRIVING IM TRAVELLING in the video where the guy rips the window. *of note: a number of "sovereign citizen" training videos/pamphlets are for-profit enterprises (give me $500 for my book explaining how to beat the government!). I suspect that many of these people aren't even true believers, but just opportunists actively creating crazy militia people to line their pockets. theflyingorc fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Jan 28, 2016 |
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Perfectly Safe posted:In general, refusing to self-identify as a US citizen and then ranting on about the rights afforded to US citizens seems pretty, oh, what's the word... A freeman on his own gland?
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As a Millennial I posted:Speaking of Santilli, remember the guy on his stream from Tuesday who said "I'm documenting the arrest of Pete Santilli"? so many thank yous
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Turtle Sandbox posted:Why would a bunch of people in the military, an incredibly diverse organization filled with the kinds of people they hate, including people who have not yet become citizens, help a bunch of racist wingnuts? Eh...it's probably the pessimist in me, but as I mentioned a couple of days ago in this thread, the military - or at least the Army specifically - has a roughly 65-35% split in favor of Republicans. And overall they hate Obama, with around 80% of them disapproving him as Commander-in-Chief (Dubya, by contrast, is a practical mirror imagine, with a sky high 80% approval). One of my closest friends served for like 5 years and said they played Fox News and talk radio non-stop at most of the army bases he was stationed at. Granted, although he's a fairly hardcore conservative (which surprised me quite a bit when I found out), he's one of the few that doesn't treat Obama like he actually hates ARE TROOPS. Unfortunately, there are many people who do, like my other ex-roommate who was not in the army but would probably join at some point, who loathes Obama, and probably would defy an order if he thought it came from him. Now imagine hundreds of thousands of people just like him, but know how to use assault rifles AND tanks. quote:Its like they don't actually know poo poo about the military, even a white supremacy sympathizer would realize in boot that his worldview won't fly because the military isn't like 80% white christians anymore and hasn't been for a long time. What's the break down?
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Turtle Sandbox posted:Why would a bunch of people in the military, an incredibly diverse organization filled with the kinds of people they hate, including people who have not yet become citizens, help a bunch of racist wingnuts? Once again, these people do not live in the same reality as us. They live their lives firmly believing in a self-serving narrative in which they are the heroes waiting to be lead to the promised land and anything they dislike or is wrong with their lives is the fault of some sort of conspiracy. They fully expect that the "corruption" they see (read: non-whites in power, gay marriage, or just about anything else) should have caused society to collapse by now and cannot process that it hasn't. This narrative is so central to their lives that they can't accept the possibility that it could be wrong, so they think this collapse Is either imminent or has already come but everyone else is too cowed to see it. They try to rally fellow true believers to build their promised land on the ashes of the old one. The righteousness of their cause is so self-evident that surely all but the sheep will join them, allowing their combined honor to prevail over the corrupted ones! It's a completely deluded worldview, but giving it up would require them to admit fault and their own powerlessness. That terrifies them enough that they will renounce it without someone stopping them. It's a lot like a cult.
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I actually support the people who give the border patrol a hard time when just driving around within the country and randomly hit an inland checkpoint. I only support it if they stick purely with 4th amendment type stuff, and aren't utter dicks with byzantine circular arguments and citations of sovereign citizen propaganda. The people who disclaim need for any driver's license, insurance, registration, or any administrative oversight of the roads what-so-ever, can get tazed all day long for all I care.
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Tesseraction posted:A freeman on his own gland? More than I could possibly have hoped for. As a Millennial I posted:Speaking of Santilli, remember the guy on his stream from Tuesday who said "I'm documenting the arrest of Pete Santilli"? Truly, pleasure delayed is pleasure intensified. I still haven't managed to put my finger on precisely why I have a genuine burning dislike for Pete, but there's no doubt that he was a key part of the mechanism of this whole thing and I was very glad to see that he was arrested along with the others. His expression of bewilderment and disbelief is very satisfying.
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theflyingorc posted:Alright, so I guess some people don't understand the Sovereign Citizen movement very much. I'm no expert, but I can give an overview. This is interesting. So they are somewhat between homeless and freebies that want free poo poo. Hahaha...
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As a Millennial I posted:Speaking of Santilli, remember the guy on his stream from Tuesday who said "I'm documenting the arrest of Pete Santilli"? It's amazing how polite and respectful and obedient they all are in this video. Especially when you contrast that with the belligerent attitude they all had when 50 of them crashed/disrupted that town hall meeting. Their entire leadership being scooped up in one blow really shattered their delusions. Anyone got the video of Santilli trying to talk Cooper into letting the women and children leave and freaking out when he realizes that Cooper is completely insane and wants a massive fight? I haven't got to see that moment yet and it would warm my filthy soul.
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theflyingorc posted:If Ammon is fully Sovereignized and Loving It, he'll probably forego a lawyer and try to defend himself, and constantly break the rules for court proceedings. theflyingorc posted:*of note: a number of "sovereign citizen" training videos/pamphlets are for-profit enterprises (give me $500 for my book explaining how to beat the government!). I suspect that many of these people aren't even true believers, but just opportunists actively creating crazy militia people to line their pockets. 
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Santilli's radical change in attitude once arrests started happening really left an impression on me on how these men are absolute cowards who are dangerous when they believe they have a huge advantage. He went from stomping around blasting megaphones in peoples' ears and mocking the tears of old women to submissive and humble in a few hours. It was very good that law enforcement came down on them, because they were becoming increasingly emboldened by the lack of resistance.Bob Altemeyer posted:When I say authoritarian followers are aggressive
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Inferior Third Season posted:He already has a private lawyer, while the other leaders have public defenders.
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As a Millennial I posted:Speaking of Santilli, remember the guy on his stream from Tuesday who said "I'm documenting the arrest of Pete Santilli"? WHY AM I UNDER ARREST 
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Murderion posted:WHY AM I UNDER ARREST The only thing that will make my penis harder than it already is after watching that is when they arrest Blaine loving Cooper.
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Tei posted:This is interesting. So they are somewhat between homeless and freebies that want free poo poo. Hahaha... I wouldn't say homeless, as some are perfectly average income earners who are just thick as poo poo. They are basically saying any rule they don't agree with doesn't count. I'm still waiting for the day for a Judge to go 'So you do not think the law of this court is legal, correct?', then order a sheriff to shoot the Sovcit in the temple as there is no law preventing it.
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