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Shbobdb posted:Cops are pretty evil fuckers and tend to react negatively and violently when they feel they are being disrespected. And yet that video of Sov Cits getting busted shows you to be full of bullshit. Some cops are dicks, some aren't, stop being an angsty gently caress
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I wish there was a bot that responded to every defender of the guy with "If he didn't want to get shot, he shouldn't have broken the law".
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Jan 29, 2016 18:00
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Intel&Sebastian posted:The Hicks Boson, if you will 
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Perfectly Safe posted:You are going to feel very silly when they release the audio and it turns out that the cops were shouting "do a little dance in the snow and keep reaching for your sidearm, motherfucker!". "I surrender!" "Saturday Night Fever!" "I... what?" "Saturday Night Fever, motherfucker! Right loving now!" "But I don't-- uh, 'ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' alive..." "Not good enough!" <blam> <blam> <blam>
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Intel&Sebastian posted:The Hicks Boson, if you will ...you're alright.
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Jan 29, 2016 18:01
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So has anyone made a video of Finicum's last stand with a "Leevoy Jeeeeeeeenkinnnnnnnnssss rgrgrrgrrgrgrhrhrhgrhrrggg" audio track over the top?
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NathanScottPhillips posted:So has anyone made a video of Finicum's last stand with a "Leevoy Jeeeeeeeenkinnnnnnnnssss rgrgrrgrrgrgrhrhrhgrhrrggg" audio track over the top? No.
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Yes, cops breaking windows and tasering people because they didn't show the cop enough respect is pretty solid proof that cops aren't all bad. Sovcits are pretty crazy but the police response to nonviolent (albeit incoherent) rambling is extreme. Also funny, sure. But that's some serious abuse there. I'll reserve judgement until the audio. "Don't move, get on the ground, put your hands up and keep your hands to the side or I'll shoot!"
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As a Millennial I posted:Not embedding, for those who don't want to watch a guy die one more time, but here's a zoomed, stabilized clip of the moment he went down. Much easier to see that he was reaching into his jacket - but, of course, the next comeback is "he was going to throw his gun away." If we had audio, we'd surely hear him saying this to the cops. Christ, there's people already in the comments saying that he was totally clutching a wound and if you just slow it down to .25 speed you'll totally see. . . Exactly the same thing but it's a bit harder to tell whats happening so CLEARLY he must be holding a gunshot wound. Nevermind the fact that there are people who have been shot and don't even know they've been shot, nevermind the fact that if they wanted to execute him all they had to do was shout "He has a gun" and it'd have been considered a clean shoot, and the fact that he reaches for his hips TWICE with cops shouting at him to keep his hands away from his waist before he gets shot. This shooting needs to be investigated, but there's no sudden cutout, there's no editing trickery to try and make it look better. I don't see how someone can look at this and scream "THEY GUNNED HIM DOWN IN COLD BLOOD" when we have poo poo like an unarmed naked black man getting shot. Well, I say I can't see at least in a logical sense. In a black and white 'us vs them' narrativist's point of view, if they are the good guys and one of theirs got shot, clearly they got shot and killed by the bad guys, and it can't be because the bad guys had a just reason to do so. I mean it's not like he was screaming constantly ever since he got there that they'd never take him alive, and that he wanted to kill government officials. Oh wait. Shbobdb posted:Sovcits are pretty crazy but the police response to nonviolent (albeit incoherent) rambling is extreme. He's waving his hands around and reaching for his hips. You don't do that poo poo when a cop is shouting for you to get down. If he was just rambling, without reaching for a potential gun? Yeah. I'd be with you. But this isn't like Tamir Rice where the cops rolled up and shot him before he could react. He got a second chance when he reached for his hips, and then he decided to gently caress it up and reach for his hips again. E-Tank fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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ChlamydiaJones posted:Again from the closed Oregon III% page. Here's one way they're trying to spin the shooting; I'm not an expert, but I think a massacre requires more than one person being shot.
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Shbobdb posted:Yes, cops breaking windows and tasering people because they didn't show the cop enough respect is pretty solid proof that cops aren't all bad. how are your Oathkeeper buddies taking this
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ChlamydiaJones posted:Right here in AMERICA they set up an ambush and a massacre!!! Lol, what the gently caress? You know, there's one big issue here that could show this to be total bullshit. The fuckers ran. If they just gave up like the other vehicle this dastardly plot would unravel
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Shbobdb posted:Yes, cops breaking windows and tasering people because they didn't show the cop enough respect is pretty solid proof that cops aren't all bad. Stop making GBS threads up thread and go honor your Toxx please.
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Jan 29, 2016 18:07
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Zwabu posted:The few remaining at the building are effectively under siege now, are they not? No longer free to go get food and supplies, with the roads barricaded? Starvation will flush them out one way or another. They are cut off, but as far as we could tell from the LiveStream they weren't even AT the building. They dug...something...with a backhoe near their cars. We have no idea what's going on, but I seriously doubt the 4 nutjobs left will survive a siege.
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Jan 29, 2016 18:07
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theflyingorc posted:I'm not an expert, but I think a massacre requires more than one person being shot. Freedom, Liberty, Justice, and White America were also killed that day.
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Jan 29, 2016 18:08
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Dude straight up tried to kill a cop with his truck on video and people are blaming the cops.
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Jan 29, 2016 18:09
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As a Millennial I posted:For those not aware, she's an expert on sovcits, III%ers and the like who's gotten a whole lot of attention thanks to this standoff. She's the one who pointed out the possible FBI agent "navy seal" Tuesday night.
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Shbobdb posted:... because they didn't show the cop enough respect ... No, sorry, we're looking for someone with a bit more flair and originality. Still, leave your number with us and if something less challenging comes up then we'll give you a call.
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I'm open to the possibility that maybe he was hit from one angle by one of those less than lethal rounds and then shot for dropping his hands by someone who didn't know he was hit. Even if that were the case, that kind of confusion would only have arisen due to him fleeing, running a roadblock, and threatening LEOs in the first place.
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Jan 29, 2016 18:12
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As a Millennial I posted:Huh, even JJ MacNab thinks McConnell's story wasn't legit What the gently caress, McNab? Even leaving aside how close to drinking the Kool-Aid calling out someone as an FBI informant is, you don't say that poo poo. No matter whether he is or isn't, that accusation will be taken as proof by members of the hosed-up community, and very well might put that dude in danger. The only reason to call him out like that is if you either don't give a poo poo whether he ends up shot by a buddy, or if you take umbrage at the fact that you think he's an informant. Pete Santilli is not a role model to be emulated, don't go stockholm syndrome on these dumb fucks, JJ.
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So Prester, what do you think will come of this? I'm kind of guessing that the FBI want the four to stay in there and stew a bit more, hence why they've not said 'fine we'll let whatshisname go' and then totally renege on that offer. Kind of a victory lap of 'Oh hey, look at that. Nobody is coming. Nobody is coming to try and save you. All these people are pissant little keyboard warriors' Which would implode the 'oathkeeper' style militias pretty quick. When you realize that nobody else is going to come and fight alongside you for your crazy beliefs, that you're going to be abandoned to die in a middle of nowhere refuge, suddenly that whole government being overthrown thing looks much less plausible and more suicidal. And while they may want to be martyrs, I'm more than willing to bet that Levoy didn't want to die, in those last minutes. Bleeding out in the snow.  I can't say he didn't bring it on himself, but I wish he hadn't died. Any death is always regrettable.
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Captain Bravo posted:What the gently caress, McNab? Even leaving aside how close to drinking the Kool-Aid calling out someone as an FBI informant is, you don't say that poo poo. No matter whether he is or isn't, that accusation will be taken as proof by members of the hosed-up community, and very well might put that dude in danger. The only reason to call him out like that is if you either don't give a poo poo whether he ends up shot by a buddy, or if you take umbrage at the fact that you think he's an informant. Pete Santilli is not a role model to be emulated, don't go stockholm syndrome on these dumb fucks, JJ. Again, her being an expert on Sovereign Citizens and other fringe elements has absolutely no bearing on whether or not she knows anything about literally any other topic. This is also likely the first time that her tweets are being looked at under a microscope.
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:Dude straight up tried to kill a cop with his truck on video and people are blaming the cops. Eh, watching the video I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in any intent to do so. He looks like he tried to get around the roadblock and the cop thought "holy poo poo this fucker's going to ram my truck" and started to get out of the way, nearly jumping in front of the truck when LaVoy tried to get around it. Not sure how he could've thought he'd get around the roadblock and those snowbanks though.
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E-Tank posted:'fine we'll let whatshisname go' and then totally renege on that offer That would not set a good precedent for negotiations in future standoffs. We're trying to prevent more Wacos here.
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E-Tank posted:So Prester, what do you think will come of this? I'm kind of guessing that the FBI want the four to stay in there and stew a bit more, hence why they've not said 'fine we'll let whatshisname go' and then totally renege on that offer. Kind of a victory lap of 'Oh hey, look at that. Nobody is coming. Nobody is coming to try and save you. All these people are pissant little keyboard warriors'
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I'm curious as to when Finicum's pickup got the bullhole in the windshield -- possibly as he tried to run the roadblock?
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As a Millennial I posted:Not embedding, for those who don't want to watch a guy die one more time, but here's a zoomed, stabilized clip of the moment he went down. Much easier to see that he was reaching into his jacket - but, of course, the next comeback is "he was going to throw his gun away." If we had audio, we'd surely hear him saying this to the cops. But no, you see, there's a muzzle flash and he is clearly just shot in the side!!!!
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As a Millennial I posted:That would not set a good precedent for negotiations in future standoffs. We're trying to prevent more Wacos here.  Cops lie all the time to people holding hostages. These people are just holding themselves hostage.
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E-Tank posted:So Prester, what do you think will come of this? I'm kind of guessing that the FBI want the four to stay in there and stew a bit more, hence why they've not said 'fine we'll let whatshisname go' and then totally renege on that offer. Kind of a victory lap of 'Oh hey, look at that. Nobody is coming. Nobody is coming to try and save you. All these people are pissant little keyboard warriors' The tacticool militias are already trying to spin this with "they didn't coordinate their strategic opsec baker-one-nine battle plan with us, so we were unable to provide danger close escort" and the gem of "we were in town, but the feds kept driving by and running our plates. We totally fed some people that swear the government agents left them naked and starving in the middle of a frozen field though!"
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Tarp Man, you thought you could gunsling with the FBI, Your delusions evaporated so fast you couldn't decide what to do with yourself. "Shoot me!" Maybe you'd rather die than face your delusions. You'd rather die than watch the dream die in front of you. Good Bye, Tarp Man. 
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Hey, it worked for Cleavon Little.
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SyHopeful posted:I'm curious as to when Finicum's pickup got the bullhole in the windshield -- possibly as he tried to run the roadblock? I'm pretty sure the FBI new conference said they started shooting at the vehicle as it approached the roadblock at 60+mph. My take on it is that he fully intended to ram the roadblock to get through, then went to the side when they started shooting at the car.
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CommanderApaul posted:I'm pretty sure the FBI new conference said they started shooting at the vehicle as it approached the roadblock at 60+mph. My take on it is that he fully intended to ram the roadblock to get through, then went to the side when they started shooting at the car. No, he was just trying to get around the road hazard the FBI maliciously placed in the middle of the road!
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Here's the transcript. I just realized I never got around to reading it.quote:Good evening. My name is Greg Bretzing, and I am the Special Agent in Charge of the FBI in Oregon.
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SocketWrench posted:Some cops are dicks, some aren't, stop being an angsty gently caress ^ that I'd like to think most aren't, but the dicks are aggressively so. theflyingorc posted:I'm not an expert, but I think a massacre requires more than one person being shot. It requires 5 people killed while throwing stones and snowballs at troops. 
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What's the situation with the last four? Do they still have the actual building with supplies, or have the feds taken it over and they're stuck outside camping with no food left? What about the dogs? Have they been rescued yet? Have they been getting fed?
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CommanderApaul posted:I'm pretty sure the FBI new conference said they started shooting at the vehicle as it approached the roadblock at 60+mph. My take on it is that he fully intended to ram the roadblock to get through, then went to the side when they started shooting at the car. So just to be clear, unless this detail came out in questioning, no, they didn't shoot at the truck as it approached the roadblock.
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As a Millennial I posted:Here's the transcript. I just realized I never got around to reading it. It just now occurred to me that this completely debunks the whole "Ammon Bundy called his wife and told her what happened" conspiracy bullshit since he was in custody before Finnicum took off and drove a mile+ up the road. Edit: Fair enough on shooting at the truck, I thought I had read that somewhere. So much information from so many different places and it's all getting jumbled in my head.
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I heard somewhere it was a nickname, though I couldn't tell you for what. It's not Mormon. TheMadMilkman posted:Culturally Mormon, in that names beginning with Le or La are more common in Mormon communities. I've been a Mormon literally my entire life, and I've heard some weird poo poo people thought was gospel or cultural, but I've never heard this one before. I mean, this story also involves a guy named Cliven (also not a Mormon name), so right now I"m just going to go with 'some ranchers have very passive aggressive ways of showing they hate their children'.
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Pope Guilty posted:Hey, it worked for Cleavon Little. Unfortunately Black Bart would be gunned down in an instant by these pricks. Sherrif so he's law enforcement, and he's black? Gunned down faster than you can say 'The Sherrif is a N*RIIIIING'
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