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Leofish posted:That's a loving 50 DKP minus! Donate snacks...More snacks...More snacks... Stop snacks.
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Entropic posted:It hurts my brain how dumb these people are, that they can't grasp things like:
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Surely the other three are facing arrest on some sort of charges.
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Entropic posted:Surely the other three are facing arrest on some sort of charges. Probably, but in their case it's possibly more "you're free to leave but you'll be arrested sometime later" while Fat Guy will be arrested the moment he's off the refuge.
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Zerilan posted:Probably, but in their case it's possibly more "you're free to leave but you'll be arrested sometime later" while Fat Guy will be arrested the moment he's off the refuge. Well, the other three's charges were more of "If you leave now we'll just fine you later and add you to every watch list ever" while Fatty was getting out and out arrested. Of course that was a few days ago.
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Zerilan posted:Probably, but in their case it's possibly more "you're free to leave but you'll be arrested sometime later" while Fat Guy will be arrested the moment he's off the refuge. The FBI and lawyers have told them that three of them can go home right now (although their information will be taken just like everyone else who left) but Fat Patriot is going directly into custody despite his constant whining that he didn't actually do anything. He's definitely been working the persecution angle to get the others not to bail on him. Fat Patriot's line of argument is thus: "I never stopped a Federal employee from doing his job. I mean, I know I occupied this place with a gun and claimed publicly I'd shoot any Federal employee who came near me, but since none came near me I didn't actually hinder anyone from doing anything."
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Zerilan posted:Probably, but in their case it's possibly more "you're free to leave but you'll be arrested sometime later" while Fat Guy will be arrested the moment he's off the refuge. Porklins already has an outstanding bench warrant from 2014, to say nothing of his open calls to fellow patriots to murder any law enforcement officers that get in the way (of coming to rescue his pathetic rear end.) More than anything else I want to see these four taken alive, not only because they are human beings, but also for the schadenfreude orgasm of Porklins mugshot. The FBI has completely won the PR war here by doing nothing more than occasionally spooking these guys and letting them livestream to their hearts content.
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They wish to negotiate because it's totally unfair that they didn't get to leave before the deadline and they want a do-over
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Zerilan posted:Probably, but in their case it's possibly more "you're free to leave but you'll be arrested sometime later" while Fat Guy will be arrested the moment he's off the refuge. Have we ever figured out what they were trying to do with that backhoe?
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meristem posted:I know that it's the US justice system, but is it possible they could concentrate on the leaders and leave the small, uh, fries, with community service or so? Cleaning up the refuge would be a good start. I'm thinking it was more of making earthen mounds for cover if they wanted their federal firefight. The other more comedic answer was "digging their own graves" I highly doubt it was an emergency landfill to clean up after themselves, though.
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stubblyhead posted:Do we know what the outstanding bench warrant is for? From a Slate article: quote:... [Anderson] has an outstanding bench warrant related to an August 2014 arrest. Anderson was charged with resisting an officer, possession of THC and possession of drug paraphernalia, all misdemeanors.
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meristem posted:I know that it's the US justice system, but is it possible they could concentrate on the leaders and leave the small, uh, fries, with community service or so? Cleaning up the refuge would be a good start. I get the feeling that's exactly what the FBI intends to do. They're really only gonna bother with anything more than fines/community service or minimal time in prison for anyone who a) was not a leader and b) doesn't have an outstanding warrant or previous probation they were violating. Basically the FBI has ample reason and power to just destroy these idiots legally if they wanted to, but they also want to defuse the situation, so they're lowering the punishment for simply acting like an idiot and only really throwing the book at you if you do something really, really dumb like make yourself a leader of this stupidity. It's a lot harder to look like a manly man martyr when you're saying you'll fight to the death to avoid a couple thousand in fines, community service and/or 3-6 month prison terms at most.
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There was a video from the earlier days of the occupation. A couple of them were in the refuge biologists office and outright said she didn't get to do her job any more, they would let her come get her personal effects, but she wasn't allowed to do her job any more because she was oppressing people. I hope that gets played, not sure if that was in the indictment.
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meristem posted:From a Slate article: Okay, so he's the one that brought the weed.
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meristem posted:From a Slate article: Good grief, I assumed it was from the statements he'd made on that video when they were still pumped to the gills on adrenaline and hasn't figured out how hosed they were yet. They really have no clue how any of this poo poo works, do they.
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I hope Fry is still able to stream when someone explains to him what Pinkerton liability is.
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atomicthumbs posted:They wish to negotiate because it's totally unfair that they didn't get to leave before the deadline and they want a do-over That, or negoiate the surrender of the Feds/gov, and the Feds/gov will recieve a fair trial and execution for being traitors.
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happyhippy posted:That, or negoiate the surrender of the Feds/gov, and the Feds/gov will recieve a fair trial and execution for being traitors. As a government comprised of the people for the people, really all of us Americans but the four left inside the refuge should be hanged.
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happyhippy posted:That, or negoiate the surrender of the Feds/gov, and the Feds/gov will recieve a fair trial and execution for being traitors. "If we stay out here long enough, they're bound to see our determination and devotion to The Constitution and they'll learn the error of their ways and hand the entire government back to The People... Just a few more hours and it'll happen."
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Geostomp posted:For reference, the whole movement was started by an avowed racist Neo-Confederate in response to the National Guard being deployed to allow black students to begin attending Little Rock Central High. Desperately searching for some kind of justification for their own biases is part of their very core. Just as with Romney, the dead silence in that room will be life-restoring. The expressions of shock and horror and disbelief. I cannot wait.
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Prester Jane posted:The FBI has completely won the PR war here by doing nothing more than occasionally spooking these guys and letting them livestream to their hearts content. They've been left to bluster, spout nonsense, gibber in fear and finally plead pathetically that their cause was nothing but a bunch of hot air. Their calls for help have been met with nothing but excuses, revealing that every other true patriot was utterly full of it. All they've got left is the solidarity they've shown for one another, and that's going to crumble faster than you can say "plea deal" the moment they're in custody. And it's all on film. All of it.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:I know it was a very mild winter to start and all... but why would they decide to start this in the middle of winter and not say, spring time? Because the refuge was shuttered for the winter. That way they were able to occupy it without any immediate confrontations or direct affect on anyone. Had they occupied an open refuge and either taken a bunch of employees hostage or thrown them out at gunpoint then this poo poo would have ended a whole hell of a lot quicker. The only reason it went on so long is because it was middle of winter.
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STAC Goat posted:Because the refuge was shuttered for the winter. That way they were able to occupy it without any immediate confrontations or direct affect on anyone. Had they occupied an open refuge and either taken a bunch of employees hostage or thrown them out at gunpoint then this poo poo would have ended a whole hell of a lot quicker. The only reason it went on so long is because it was middle of winter. Actually, it was only shut down for the holidays. People got confused early on and said it was shuttered for the winter when the actual administration area is open year round outside of holidays. So Carpe Carp lady went home for a couple days off researching/counting animals for New Years and then found she couldn't go back to work because of these fuckers squatting in her office. Point still stands that they only really invaded when their target was closed for maximum laziness. "No one's here to tell us we can't do this, so that means we totally can!"
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Murderion posted:They've been left to bluster, spout nonsense, gibber in fear and finally plead pathetically that their cause was nothing but a bunch of hot air. Their calls for help have been met with nothing but excuses, revealing that every other true patriot was utterly full of it. All they've got left is the solidarity they've shown for one another, and that's going to crumble faster than you can say "plea deal" the moment they're in custody. How dare you. HOW DARE YOU. Our proud white sons and daughters 100, 200, 400 years from now, will be patriotically reciting speeches and statements made by these people. No doubt there will be reenactments like the Cival War ones, a row of men dressed up in evil Fed gear will line up against a row of men dressed up in Tarps and Cat branded camo hats. And will walk towards each other, shooting blanks until one Tarp Man is left, who then unfurls the confederate flag over the corpses.
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kazmeyer posted:The FBI and lawyers have told them that three of them can go home right now (although their information will be taken just like everyone else who left) but Fat Patriot is going directly into custody despite his constant whining that he didn't actually do anything. He's definitely been working the persecution angle to get the others not to bail on him. It should also be noted that Fry has said that their negotiations as of yesterday have been that they want to be free to go, and also not be arrested at a later point.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:I know it was a very mild winter to start and all... but why would they decide to start this in the middle of winter and not say, spring time? For the same reason they've done anything so far including starting this mess; Because they're loving retarded Entropic posted:It hurts my brain how dumb these people are, that they can't grasp things like: That's the thing. I don't think they've thought this poo poo through. If the founding fathers had failed, there's no doubt they'd have been strung up and they knew this when they kicked it off. When the confederacy got going the leaders knew they'd get punishment for it if it failed. I don't think these fucks get it. When you pull poo poo like this you either have to succeed at it or face the fallout after. Like everything else thus far, they want to do what they want and not have to deal with the results like a bunch of spoiled kids SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jan 30, 2016 |
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Hermetic posted:Donate snacks...More snacks...More snacks... Stop snacks. RIGHT SIDE MANY FEDS HANDLE IT
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red19fire posted:It should also be noted that Fry has said that their negotiations as of yesterday have been that they want to be free to go, and also not be arrested at a later point. As of today their demands are a full pardon for themselves and everyone else involved. I hope the FBI just waits until they all get drunk and fall asleep again before moving in with flashbangs and tazers. The longer this goes on the less alert they are all going to be from exhaustion, malnutrition, and exposure- especially with the FBI toying with their paranoia every so often. Their really might come a point where they all let their guard down enough to be takeno with non-lethal means.
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The FBI kind of missed a chance to end this a few days ago by singling out one dude and giving them a reason to dig in right as the last few were bolting. But other than that they played it about as well as could be hoped for considering the number of mentally ill people with guns. With ammon/lavoy in separate cars, ritzheimer back in arizona, and cooper back at the reservation they weren't going to be more split up than that moment. After all the mouthing off this group has done Tarpman has been the only one with the balls to show resistance when the time came for action. I'd like to think when the time came to gun down police officers he realized how colossally stupid this all is and hesitated with his hand on his gun, but of course it was probably just suicide by cop.
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Prester Jane posted:As of today their demands are a full pardon for themselves and everyone else involved. I hope the FBI just waits until they all get drunk and fall asleep again before moving in with flashbangs and tazers. Isn't one of the people there pregnant, or did that lady leave already? Because a pregnant person in their situation would be rolling the dice on all sorts of problems.
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Alkydere posted:Actually, it was only shut down for the holidays. People got confused early on and said it was shuttered for the winter when the actual administration area is open year round outside of holidays. So Carpe Carp lady went home for a couple days off researching/counting animals for New Years and then found she couldn't go back to work because of these fuckers squatting in her office. Ah, my bad. But yeah, it still holds the basic element that since there was no one there when they showed up they didn't have to shove a gun in anyone's face to make this happen. That would have immediately undermined their whole bullshit "peaceful protest" claim and brought about an immediate response. The whole point was to talk tough and imply violence to try and bait the authorities into making a move they could frame as the aggressor. That's why they're stumbling to make LaVay into some kind of hero where they made him flee the police, nearly run over one, and then jump out of his car with his hand in his pocket where a loaded weapon was yelling "shoot me!" And why these dumbasses are just sitting around waiting.
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semaphorepc posted:The FBI kind of missed a chance to end this a few days ago by singling out one dude and giving them a reason to dig in right as the last few were bolting. But other than that they played it about as well as could be hoped for considering the number of mentally ill people with guns. With ammon/lavoy in separate cars, ritzheimer back in arizona, and cooper back at the reservation they weren't going to be more split up than that moment. He probably expected to get shot when his hand went for his hip, and was dumbfounded when it didn't happen.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Isn't one of the people there pregnant, or did that lady leave already? Because a pregnant person in their situation would be rolling the dice on all sorts of problems. Actually yeah, the pregnant woman is still there and using non-lethal munitions on her would be a terrible idea. Porklins really is an astonishingly lovely human being in this situation. He would rather see his wife and unborn child die than see himself go to prison. Having helped comfort a heroine addict that had her children taken away I've seen the incredibly devastating agony that causes a mother, so I don't say this lightly. But that woman is choosing to let herself and her unborn child die rather than see her husband go to prison. I hope she recieves good medical care, has a healthy pregnancy, a painless birth, and that they take that child away from her and give it to loving, capable parents. She has no loving business rearing children. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Jan 30, 2016 |
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Just FYI, that's Ken White- the sane contributor to Popehat.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Isn't one of the people there pregnant, or did that lady leave already? Because a pregnant person in their situation would be rolling the dice on all sorts of problems. Tubby's wife is pregnant, yes. I wonder if it has occurred to them yet that there's a really good chance that baby gets taken away from them.
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Do we actually know she's pregnant? All I remember was DYB's one weird pro-life rant saying all the "born children" were gone but there was still one "unborn." I feel like we kind of just presumed she was the pregnant lady he was talking about because she was the only woman we saw, but its entirely possible there was a second woman at that time (or that he was full of poo poo). Was there ever confirmation or anything else said about Anderson's wife being pregnant? Like I don't remember it being mentioned in that "last dance" video.
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CrazyLittle posted:Just FYI, that's Ken White- the sane contributor to Popehat. I think I got blocked from the Popehat twitter stream after their anarchocapitalist contributor went on a tirade about birth control and Obamacare, and I pointed out that prostate health was covered too. It autocorrected to prostrate and I think he yelled for ten minutes about liberal statist retards or some poo poo. Basically Ken should pick his contributors better.
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