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In today's Observer Dave and Bryan talk about "educational matches" in Japanese promotions (I think NOAH specifically). I remember it being in the context of injuries or botches or something like that. I don't think I fully understood what they meant by it, but it sounded interesting. I remember Dave saying that they were "meant to get the other stuff over". Were these "educational matches" ones with worked horrible botches to show potential dangers of "spot-fest" type matches and get people to appreciate the slower matches more?
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RacistGuidingLight posted:Can we get Satan incarnate tho? If you can outbid his karaoke bookings, sure 
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I take it every time the camera cuts to anything, someone has made a decision there, right? Like these shows are directed in that sense. I'm just thinking of that time in 1998 somewhere when the camera lingered on a "JJ - Ain't He Gay?" sign for long enough to see it and take it in, and it got me thinking someone has to have had to made the decision to show that live to the world, right? It's not like now if something like that got on the screen it would be by accident. Am I right in thinking Attitude-era WWF would have chosen to showcase signs like that?
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Feb 1, 2016 10:38
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King of the Ring? I was watching it last night and whilst I didn't notice the sign as I wasnt paying a huge amount of attention, King made mention of it, saying it over the commentary.
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Feb 1, 2016 11:05
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freeranger posted:King of the Ring? I was watching it last night and whilst I didn't notice the sign as I wasnt paying a huge amount of attention, King made mention of it, saying it over the commentary. And there's another thing, he'd have been told by Vince to mention it, right?
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Feb 1, 2016 11:19
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magnum_valentino posted:And there's another thing, he'd have been told by Vince to mention it, right? I want to say that 90s King and JR had a lot more freedom than modern announcers since they sounded a lot more natural. Of course in kings case "natural" tends to mean "shrill racist pervert" so it's not a 100% upgrade
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Feb 1, 2016 11:22
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magnum_valentino posted:I take it every time the camera cuts to anything, someone has made a decision there, right? Like these shows are directed in that sense. I'm just thinking of that time in 1998 somewhere when the camera lingered on a "JJ - Ain't He Gay?" sign for long enough to see it and take it in, and it got me thinking someone has to have had to made the decision to show that live to the world, right? It's not like now if something like that got on the screen it would be by accident. Attitude Era WWE was all about raunchy content, mostly in the form of misogynist angles, but also some gay-bashing when they could find the time (Goldust).
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Feb 1, 2016 11:23
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Peak gross heel King was when he accused Goldust's IRL daughter who was like six years old of sleeping around
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Feb 1, 2016 12:13
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Here's another. There's a September 1998 episode of Raw where the camera cuts to a shot of Tori (Terri Poch) in a black suit in the front row of the audience during part of the never-ending Sable/Jackie feud. There's no acknowledgement of her onscreen or on commentary though, and I've read on Wikipedia that she didn't debut until months later. You think they had planned to do something with her earlier or what was happening there?
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Feb 1, 2016 13:05
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Tori was Sable's stalker. They were doing establishing shots for the angle and kept on doing build towards her debut, but for reasons I can't remember the angle got delayed a wee bit, so there were weeks where she showed up in the crowd and weeks where she didn't.
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Feb 1, 2016 13:49
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Tori also had plastic surgery on her face IRL to make herself look like Sable - now that's dedication to an angle
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Feb 1, 2016 14:53
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Thanks lads. Crazy business with the surgery.
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Feb 1, 2016 15:50
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oatgan posted:Successful indie wrestlers aren't working triple shots for the same company week in and week out but they're travelling a lot and making a similar amount of dates. Writer Cath posted:Don't forget that being in a state of near constant travel will take its toll as well. Hours cooped up in a car or on a plane, working a show, then repeating again and again. Basic Chunnel posted:The schedule might be less strenuous but the workrate is a lot different. They didn't go to broadway draws back in the day just because of better conditioning MassRafTer posted:WWE's schedule is much lighter than it was in the 80s when wrestlers worked close to 300 matches a year. Now barely anyone does more than 200.
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Feb 1, 2016 15:56
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magnum_valentino posted:Thanks lads. Goldust offered to get breast implants when he was doing the bondage gimmick but Vince said uh, no.
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Feb 1, 2016 16:44
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Luigi Thirty posted:Goldust offered to get breast implants when he was doing the bondage gimmick but Vince said uh, no. The only time in history Vince hasn't encouraged a talent to get a boob job.
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Feb 1, 2016 16:50
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Electric Lady posted:In today's Observer Dave and Bryan talk about "educational matches" in Japanese promotions (I think NOAH specifically). I remember it being in the context of injuries or botches or something like that. I don't think I fully understood what they meant by it, but it sounded interesting. I remember Dave saying that they were "meant to get the other stuff over". Were these "educational matches" ones with worked horrible botches to show potential dangers of "spot-fest" type matches and get people to appreciate the slower matches more? It was with regards to the length of main events in NOAH. It used to be that their main events were always 20-30 minutes long, to the point that the crowd learned this and stopped reaction to near falls or submissions early in the match. To try and fix this, they started throwing in main events that ended in six minutes. The fans learned that the early parts of matches could be when a main event ends, and then started reacting again.
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Feb 1, 2016 16:58
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Okay, I was WAY off, then. That makes more sense. I thought they were doing some kind of strange public-service-announcements or something. Thanks! =)
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Feb 1, 2016 17:19
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Seams posted:Peak gross heel King was when he accused Goldust's IRL daughter who was like six years old of sleeping around That was just wishful thinking from the King
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Feb 1, 2016 17:39
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Marquis de Pyro posted:That was just wishful thinking from the King Too old.
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Feb 1, 2016 18:44
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Jerry "The King" Lawler, the wrestler, painter, burger shill, and commentator, is a shorteyes diddler. That's the joke you see.
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Feb 1, 2016 18:48
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projecthalaxy posted:Jerry "The King" Lawler, the wrestler, painter, burger shill, and commentator, is a shorteyes diddler. That's the joke you see. he fucks kids
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Feb 1, 2016 18:55
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projecthalaxy posted:Jerry "The King" Lawler, the wrestler, painter, burger shill, and commentator, is a shorteyes diddler. That's the joke you see. I didn't know he wore glasses.
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Feb 1, 2016 19:04
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One time, presumably while scanning the crowd for recent holes, Jerry Lawler died on the television. The Dolph Ziggler was never convicted.
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Feb 1, 2016 19:32
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projecthalaxy posted:Jerry "The King" Lawler, the wrestler, painter, burger shill, and commentator, is a shorteyes diddler. That's the joke you see. Actually I was just saying that as a heel commentator, he would like it if a controversial and vile act occurred that he could gain heat from exploiting, but thanks for taking it to such a dark place. Disgusting.
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Feb 1, 2016 19:34
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Jerry was recently in a car accident with his girlfriend, which led to the discovery that Jerry's girlfriend is roughly 30 years his junior.
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Feb 1, 2016 19:49
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Jerry was recently in a car accident with his girlfriend, which led to the discovery that Jerry's girlfriend is roughly 30 years his junior. still the king
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Feb 1, 2016 19:59
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So shes 40?
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Jerry was recently in a car accident with his girlfriend, which led to the discovery that Jerry's girlfriend is roughly 30 years his junior. The wife and I were driving home after dinner that night and as we drove through the intersection I asked, "holy poo poo is that Jerry Lawler?" Turns out yes. Yes it was.
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Feb 1, 2016 20:28
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RaceyBucket posted:So shes 40? yeah so leave the king alone
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Feb 1, 2016 20:40
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I have this memory gap in which I don't recall much of Brock Lesnar's first WWE run, but based on promotional stuff of the time frame, it looked like he was gonna be where Cena was I guess? Did he seem like he was going to be the guy that Cena ended up becoming had he not left that first time around?
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Feb 1, 2016 21:39
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Mercury Crusader posted:I have this memory gap in which I don't recall much of Brock Lesnar's first WWE run, but based on promotional stuff of the time frame, it looked like he was gonna be where Cena was I guess? Did he seem like he was going to be the guy that Cena ended up becoming had he not left that first time around? I stopped watching right around the time that they started the brand split, but from what I can tell Lesnar was never 1/10 the promo that Cena was even when he debuted, so I'm gonna say no probably not.
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Feb 1, 2016 21:42
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Cena really had everything they wanted, and it's amazing that they were going to release him until he wore a Vanilla Ice Halloween costume.
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mybe this is more a q for the meltz but, given that he's 'won' every accolade in this fake sport, was there ever any consideration to hunter beating undertaker during either of their later 2 matches? anyone know?
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Feb 1, 2016 22:23
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ICHIBAHN posted:mybe this is more a q for the meltz but, given that he's 'won' every accolade in this fake sport, was there ever any consideration to hunter beating undertaker during either of their later 2 matches? anyone know?
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Feb 1, 2016 22:27
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Seams posted:Peak gross heel King was when he accused Goldust's IRL daughter who was like six years old of sleeping around She was actually three.
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1st AD posted:I stopped watching right around the time that they started the brand split, but from what I can tell Lesnar was never 1/10 the promo that Cena was even when he debuted, so I'm gonna say no probably not. He was a lousy promo but they pretty much instantly gave him to Heyman and put the belt on him. He was also very quickly given his own Smackdown game, which up until then had been something reserved for the Rock.
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Feb 1, 2016 22:50
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The long term plan was for Lesnar to be THE GUY, which was why his leaving in 2004 was so acrimonious. And he was pretty drat over from the time he won the title onward, so it would've been interesting to see where they would've gone with him had he not left.
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Feb 1, 2016 22:58
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In WCW why was a group of spooky Mortal Kombat characters paired with some nerdy bald guy in a suit named James Vanderberg? Did they think his name and reputation were something demanding of respect?
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Feb 1, 2016 23:07
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ICHIBAHN posted:mybe this is more a q for the meltz but, given that he's 'won' every accolade in this fake sport, was there ever any consideration to hunter beating undertaker during either of their later 2 matches? anyone know? I believe he was supposed to go over at WM17 (before the streak was really mentioned) but they were punishing him for vouching for Shawn when he came back all hosed up.
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Minidust posted:I've heard that he was supposed to go over at WM27, though I feel like that could just be hearsay repeated as fact over the years. That one near-fall made marks of us all. I've heard 17, before the streak was really a thing. e - goddammit
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