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The March Hare
Oct 15, 2006

Je rêve d'un
Wayne's World 3
Buglord

Four Score posted:

Without an official judge ruling go by the 3E Rulebook

Hm, I mean sure I guess that might maybe apply but I feel like it is a little different for Magic. Especially when people have sold HQ proxies marked as such on SA mart before etc. v0v.

Also,

Sickening posted:

Also the fnm promos are updated, smash to smithereens and blighted fen are promos for march/april. Garbage.



At least it has good flavor text.

The March Hare fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Feb 2, 2016

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mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Voyager I posted:

I want to do Flickerdrazi + Reflector Mage for a maximum :hitler: deck.

i want this in my life

Count Bleck
Apr 5, 2010

DISPEL MAGIC!

Why is Wizards so determined to make sure FNM promos are at best decent and at worst horrible unplayable garbage?

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Count Bleck posted:

Why is Wizards so determined to make sure FNM promos are at best decent and at worst horrible unplayable garbage?

I believe they choose the FNM when they create the set.

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

I mean they're not value rares but they're both cards that see play.

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.
Grimey Drawer
at least smash to smithereens still sees play in non-RG burn lists.

infinitely better than nonsense like kor duelist

Count Bleck
Apr 5, 2010

DISPEL MAGIC!

Irony Be My Shield posted:

I mean they're not value rares but they're both cards that see play.

Blighted Fen and Orator of Ojutai see play?

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Irony Be My Shield posted:

I mean they're not value rares but they're both cards that see play.

Smash to smithereens sees play in what? Pauper?

suicidesteve
Jan 4, 2006

"Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends.


Sickening posted:

Smash to smithereens sees play in what? Pauper?


Zoness posted:

at least smash to smithereens still sees play in non-RG burn lists.

WTF plays Blighted Fen aside from Jeff Hoogland?

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Count Bleck posted:

Why is Wizards so determined to make sure FNM promos are at best decent and at worst horrible unplayable garbage?

I think they to some extend try to to pick uncommons that actually see play, at least for the Standard ones. Sometimes they miss, like with Frost Walker and Orator of Ojutai, but more often they hit, like with Hordeling Outburst and Roast. And people complained about Nissa's Pilgrimage but now it's actually seen play in G/C Eldrazi Ramp decks. I don't envy them trying to figure out in advance what uncommons will actually be format staples.

I would have expected Murderous Cut by now though, that seems like a shoe-in.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Count Bleck posted:

Blighted Fen and Orator of Ojutai see play?

Blighted Fen has fringe play in the B/C eldrazi deck, Orator was a straight miss tho

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012
I mean to be clear Fen is still a miss pretty much but at least someone somewhere might play it

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.
Grimey Drawer
Leave it to sickening to underrate 1M removal spells :laffo:

It sees play in burn variants that aren't RG.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Zoness posted:

at least smash to smithereens still sees play in non-RG burn lists.

infinitely better than nonsense like kor duelist

Zoness posted:

Leave it to sickening to underrate 1M removal spells :laffo:

It sees play in burn variants that aren't RG.



Oh cool, so barely sees play in a sideboard of a bad deck. To put it in perspective, MTGO is showing non-naya burn to be .17% of the meta.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
I know one guy locally who was doing well with 4-color dragons running Orator of Ojutai. Not exactly a GP staple, but eh, they don't all have to be.

suicidesteve posted:

WTF plays Blighted Fen aside from Jeff Hoogland?

It showed up in a bunch of decks in the last couple weeks. WB control and BC eldrazi play it. Those decks just haven't really cracked the top8s yet. I don't think it's a terrible misjudgement by WOTC to think Blighted Fen would see at least some constructed play.

I'm curious what their criteria for choosing promos are. Clearly it's not just "what do we think will be the breakout uncommons in Standard?"

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

Count Bleck posted:

Blighted Fen and Orator of Ojutai see play?
I wasn't talking about Orator. Blighted Fen is a 2-3 of in the BW control that has had some success recently, and has seen some play in other control-ish decks since its printing.

e: I suspect it will see a lot more play once 4 colour goodstuff rotates

Cactrot
Jan 11, 2001

Go Go Cactus Galactus





Count Bleck posted:

Why is Wizards so determined to make sure FNM promos are at best decent and at worst horrible unplayable garbage?

Stoke the Flames, Path to Exile and Serum Visions were all very good to have as promos (except for the art on Visions).

neosloth
Sep 5, 2013

Professional Procrastinator

Count Bleck posted:

Blighted Fen and Orator of Ojutai see play?

To be fair I don't think Wizard's know what the meta is going to be when they design the promos. I can imagine seeing Orator of Ojutai in a durdly deck in some parallel universe where UW control never left

Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!

Cactrot posted:

Stoke the Flames, Path to Exile and Serum Visions were all very good to have as promos (except for the art on Visions).
Semen Visions was an amazing promo and I think all FNM art should be a veiled reference to sex acts/porn.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Yawgmoth posted:

Semen Visions was an amazing promo and I think all FNM art should be a veiled reference to sex acts/porn.

Agreed. That and path actually created interest in FNM for just being a promo.

suicidesteve
Jan 4, 2006

"Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends.


Sickening posted:

Agreed. That and path actually created interest in FNM for just being a promo.

It also had the best art I've seen in a long time.

anglachel
May 28, 2012

Sickening posted:

Oh cool, so barely sees play in a sideboard of a bad deck. To put it in perspective, MTGO is showing non-naya burn to be .17% of the meta.

It's actually played as a sideboard option in Legacy Burn. Though that's a Tier 2 deck.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Serum visions looks great and actually depicts someone peering into and drinking mercury from the bottle. That it was interpreted otherwise...

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.
Blighted Fen is an excellent card that will see lots of play post-rotation when there is far less incentive (or ability) to play 3 or 4 colors. You can book that, friends.

Count Bleck
Apr 5, 2010

DISPEL MAGIC!

Cactrot posted:

Stoke the Flames, Path to Exile and Serum Visions were all very good to have as promos (except for the art on Visions).

Stoke is an exception, because that was playable it's entire duration in standard and wow was it good.

Promos designed to celebrate Modern I would hope be good, those should've been expected to be staples in decks that already exist.

Sickening posted:

Agreed. That and path actually created interest in FNM for just being a promo.

I have a full playset of Bastion Path. I love that art.

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.
Grimey Drawer

Yawgmoth posted:

Semen Visions was an amazing promo and I think all FNM art should be a veiled reference to sex acts/porn.

Well if you go with names instead of art



I feel like they could have been more creative with the art direction tho for sure.

Snacksmaniac
Jan 12, 2008

Sickening posted:

Also the fnm promos are updated, smash to smithereens and blighted fen are promos for march/april. Garbage.

Smash is cool.

I now know how to label my hobbies.

Snacksmaniac fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Feb 2, 2016

Count Bleck
Apr 5, 2010

DISPEL MAGIC!

Crucible of Worlds is 70 bucks?!

:negative:

Pontius Pilate
Jul 25, 2006

Crucify, Whale, Crucify
Yeah pretty happy I got a judge one for 60 somewhat recently.

Count Bleck
Apr 5, 2010

DISPEL MAGIC!

I actually wish I bought a bunch of The Things Used For EDH before modern's banlist updated now.

If I wanted a Karn, Ugin, and Crucible, I'd need $170.

EDH is suffering.

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Talk to the hand.
Grimey Drawer
how long until the next inevitably short lived edh variant fad

Count Bleck
Apr 5, 2010

DISPEL MAGIC!

Zoness posted:

how long until the next inevitably short lived edh variant fad

Even Enemies: Mana costs can only be multiples of 2.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

Zoness posted:

how long until the next inevitably short lived edh variant fad

I still have my Jaya Tiny Leaders deck together. It was fun. :(

deftest
May 7, 2011

Zoness posted:

how long until the next inevitably short lived edh variant fad

I think "Canadian Highlander" is still in its Act 3 of fad-dom

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

Count Bleck posted:

Why is Wizards so determined to make sure FNM promos are at best decent and at worst horrible unplayable garbage?

Path wasn't too long ago, and there was Roast, Disdainful Stroke, Bile Blight and Stoke the Flames for just solidly playable cards before that for ones I remember liking off the top of my head

Count Bleck
Apr 5, 2010

DISPEL MAGIC!

BJPaskoff posted:

I still have my Jaya Tiny Leaders deck together. It was fun. :(

It's funny because I'm building Jaya EDH right now.

Where I get to run both Gratuitous Violence AND Repercussion. :getin:

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

Count Bleck posted:

It's funny because I'm building Jaya EDH right now.

Where I get to run both Gratuitous Violence AND Repercussion. :getin:

Mono-red has gotten some really nice tools for Commander in the last year or so. I'm thinking about building Nulamog but it's expensive and there's already two people at my store who have something similar.

Count Bleck
Apr 5, 2010

DISPEL MAGIC!

BJPaskoff posted:

Mono-red has gotten some really nice tools for Commander in the last year or so. I'm thinking about building Nulamog but it's expensive and there's already two people at my store who have something similar.

My real hope for Mono Red EDH is they abolish the reserved list and make more Gauntlets of Power.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Count Bleck posted:

Even Enemies: Mana costs can only be multiples of 2.

with the exception of Void Winnower that one is fine

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BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."

Angry Grimace posted:

with the exception of Void Winnower that one is fine

Winnower is CMC9 so...

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