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poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich

Section Z posted:

Dumb idiot question. How the hell do I tell what a soldier's (or enemy for that matter) status is?

"Oh, that Advent captain or whatever marked me? Okay what does that do aside from put a glowing icon over the rookie... Uh..."

ADVENT captains are terrible and I want them to die in fire, every time. On Commander difficulty they're such hideous dickbags when they mark and shoot in the same turn. :argh:

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Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

Kai Tave posted:



What difficulty are you on? I'm starting out on Veteran which I don't know if there's behind the scenes RNG fuckery like EU/EW had on Normal to compensate but everything's seemed to be working as expected for me so far...I've had characters whiff on 60-70% shots and make clutch 40%< shots, nothing to the degree of what you're describing.

I am on Commander. I come to these games expecting some bullshit, but this was 3 hours of it, supported by data with the AARs. I would really love to see the game that others are talking about, but as it stands I cannot progress past the mission after the power core recovery because guns apparently do not work for me.

ShineDog
May 21, 2007
It is inevitable!

Coolguye posted:

I was seriously hyped but right now I am super disgusted with the game. I honestly do not know what I am supposed to do. I've rerolled an early mission a half dozen times at this point because my soldiers seemingly cannot hit the broad side of a loving barn, and enemies outnumber and will suicide rush me because they apparently sense that my soldiers cannot hit the broad side of a loving barn.

The hit rate % thing is simply confirmation bias I think.

As for poor short range accuracy, within the logic of this game that guy isn't simply standing to let you shoot him, he's moving around and dodging, him standing stock still is an abstraction.

Also remember that the nature of this games rng seed means the same dice out of the same save, so if you take the same action after reloading you will get the same results. In xc1 you could even work out where the dice were landing. The first roll is around 70, the second roll must be down in the 30s.

ShineDog fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Feb 5, 2016

Ramadu
Aug 25, 2004

2015 NFL MVP


Mr. Funktastic posted:


Also is anybody getting some FPS issues? I can more or less max out Witcher 3 and get close to 60 fps, but I try and max out this and get stuck with 30 or worse. Maybe this isn't quite as optimized.

Its funny, I have a 2500k/8gb/570 gtx from like 5 years ago and it is running the game great. I will get some frame issues on the drop but otherwise its smooth as butter. Try turning down the FXAA or something.

Game rules, gently caress you pectoids stop mind controlling me!!!!!!!! :argh:

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

ShineDog posted:

The hit rate % thing is simply confirmation bias I think.

As for poor short range accuracy, within the logic of this game that guy isn't simply standing to let you shoot him, he's moving around and dodging, him standing stock still is an abstraction.

How is it confirmation bias when the thing that comes up after a mission says "you had this % successful hit?"

Are you saying I'm selectively remembering how many flank vs non flank shots I took?

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

I think the first item you get from researching sectoids is a mind shield that protects against all of their mental tricks? Seems reasonable.

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Coolguye posted:

How is it confirmation bias when the thing that comes up after a mission says "you had this % successful hit?"

Are you saying I'm selectively remembering how many flank vs non flank shots I took?

small sample sizes are statistically useless

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

Pomp posted:

small sample sizes are statistically useless

you're statistically useless *rimshot*

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

poptart_fairy posted:

ADVENT captains are terrible and I want them to die in fire, every time. On Commander difficulty they're such hideous dickbags when they mark and shoot in the same turn. :argh:

I'm just expecting to burn like a hindenburg filled with insults just on Normal. Also last page edit of "Okay, is there away ASIDE from mousing over the tiny red arrow, instead of the other 90% of that corner of screen?" Mouse over rookie icon, nothing. Mouse over name, same old stats as ever. What am I doing wrong here- of I have to be exactly on the tiny arrow of course.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
As far as performance issues go I have some chop but it's nothing game-ruining, obviously I'd like it to be better but I was worried I'd be getting like 20 FPS. It mostly seems to chug during transitional cutscenes, the actual gameplay seems mostly unaffected.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

ShineDog posted:

Also remember that the nature of this games rng seed means the same dice out of the same save, so if you take the same action after reloading you will get the same results. In xc1 you could even work out where the dice were landing. The first roll is around 70, the second roll must be down in the 30s.
I'm well aware thanks, did you see the part where THE GAME ITSELF is reporting that my successful hit % is half what is expected over the course of 6 missions?

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy
the only thing more bullshit than all three pods on the terror mission lurking one hex into dash range (and one of them not firing a shot until i stumbled into them despite civilians everywhere so as to hide) is the bullshit that is advent stun lancer AI knowing where all the civs are and immediately dash moving to kill one every turn once activated, not even considering engaging xcom

but it turns out that when you get hopping mad after taking a casualty and decide that with 2 of your 3 guys having swords you might as well just stab literally everyone you get a 100% accuracy rating on the mission :tem:

why are specialists such bullet magnets

ShineDog
May 21, 2007
It is inevitable!

Coolguye posted:

I'm well aware thanks, did you see the part where THE GAME ITSELF is reporting that my successful hit % is half what is expected over the course of 6 missions?

Welcome to dice?

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes

Ravenfood posted:

I thought we were supposed to be able to see los on aliens from planned location movements. Am I an idiot, misremembering, or blind?

There's a target icon under the hp bar of anyone you'll have los on.

LibbyM
Dec 7, 2011

Am I supposed to know where the black market is? It's a little annoying being unable to sell anything in the early game.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

ShineDog posted:

Welcome to dice?

Yeah that isn't convincing at all. A chance aberration that large is as unlikely as a so one reporting 100% hit rate over 6 missions with no flank shots at all.

Coolguye fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Feb 5, 2016

Hammerstein
May 6, 2005

YOU DON'T KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT RACING !
Does Xcom 2 have Second Wave options ?

In the DefaultGameCore.ini there is a Second Wave option which you can set to 0/1, but it does nothing. I really want something akin to Not Created Equal and Hidden Potential, there is also a stat range for new soldiers in the same file with these values:

LOW_AIM=55
HIGH_AIM=75
LOW_MOBILITY=11
HIGH_MOBILITY=13
LOW_WILL=25
HIGH_WILL=60

Pretty much the same as it was in Xcom when you had the Second Wave options turned on. But how do I activate them ?

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Coolguye posted:

Yeah that isn't convincing at all.

Six games is a pitifully tiny sample size for trying to draw conclusions, especially if you're casting aspersions on the way the game is actually displaying things instead of you getting a run of bad luck. I've played games of BattleTech where I roll eight sets of snake eyes and only one boxcars, that doesn't mean my dice are improperly weighted (well, that doesn't mean anything by itself), it means that poo poo happens.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

Hammerstein posted:

Does Xcom 2 have Second Wave options ?

In the DefaultGameCore.ini there is a Second Wave option which you can set to 0/1, but it does nothing. I really want something akin to Not Created Equal and Hidden Potential, there is also a stat range for new soldiers in the same file with these values:

LOW_AIM=55
HIGH_AIM=75
LOW_MOBILITY=11
HIGH_MOBILITY=13
LOW_WILL=25
HIGH_WILL=60

Pretty much the same as it was in Xcom when you had the Second Wave options turned on. But how do I activate them ?

I'm like 90% sure that's residual code from EW, which the DGC is chock full of.

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich

Section Z posted:

I'm just expecting to burn like a hindenburg filled with insults just on Normal. Also last page edit of "Okay, is there away ASIDE from mousing over the tiny red arrow, instead of the other 90% of that corner of screen?" Mouse over rookie icon, nothing. Mouse over name, same old stats as ever. What am I doing wrong here- of I have to be exactly on the tiny arrow of course.

After the initial adjustment period and getting a grasp on newer game mechanics (I somehow skipped over the tooltip that tells you Rangers can do their dash attack melee every round), Commander is challenging but definitely rewarding. It's just got a lot of nasty surprises that can dump all over the player - Captains marking and then firing on the same target seem to XCOM2's Thin Men. :v:

jtm33
Mar 23, 2010
Is there any use to carrying a dead team mate? Is it just to recover their equipment? What happens if you complete the mission with them dead?

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

Strobe posted:

Six games is a pitifully tiny sample size for trying to draw conclusions, especially if you're casting aspersions on the way the game is actually displaying things instead of you getting a run of bad luck. I've played games of BattleTech where I roll eight sets of snake eyes and only one boxcars, that doesn't mean my dice are improperly weighted (well, that doesn't mean anything by itself), it means that poo poo happens.

You've played those, however, over the course of many years, and had numerous counter examples in between. This is six times in a row without any counter examples in between. This is not the same thing.

I really do not think it is a large leap to suspect something weird in the opaque system you're using when you're getting such wildly different results from the expectation. This is not a d6 that you can see. This is an opaque system that you PRESUME is working correctly.

For my purposes, I intend to verify cache and try again tomorrow, but tonight's first outing was definitely the worst XCOM experience I've ever had. And I played Enforcer, dammit.

kater
Nov 16, 2010

Congrats. You could have won the lottery, instead you just sucked at shooting aliens.

Which isn't to say that there can't be bugs in this not released for a day game, but

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

Coolguye posted:

You've played those, however, over the course of many years, and had numerous counter examples in between. This is six times in a row without any counter examples in between. This is not the same thing.

I really do not think it is a large leap to suspect something weird in the opaque system you're using when you're getting such wildly different results from the expectation. This is not a d6 that you can see. This is an opaque system that you PRESUME is working correctly.

For my purposes, I intend to verify cache and try again tomorrow, but tonight's first outing was definitely the worst XCOM experience I've ever had. And I played Enforcer, dammit.

Well so what's the alternative here if "you've experienced a statistically plausible amount of bad luck" doesn't sit right with you then, that your copy of the game has some kind of hidden RNG malfunction that so far nobody else seems to be experiencing? I'm not denying your frustration but if this really is a bug it doesn't sound like one a lot of other people are running into.

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

jtm33 posted:

Is there any use to carrying a dead team mate? Is it just to recover their equipment? What happens if you complete the mission with them dead?

if it's an evac mission, you don't get their equipment back

Hammerstein
May 6, 2005

YOU DON'T KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT RACING !

The Iron Rose posted:

I'm like 90% sure that's residual code from EW, which the DGC is chock full of.

Looks like it.

Well, time to download the SDK and fiddle around with it.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

poptart_fairy posted:

After the initial adjustment period and getting a grasp on newer game mechanics (I somehow skipped over the tooltip that tells you Rangers can do their dash attack melee every round), Commander is challenging but definitely rewarding. It's just got a lot of nasty surprises that can dump all over the player - Captains marking and then firing on the same target seem to XCOM2's Thin Men. :v:

Compared to the previous title, XCOM2 is loving hard.

We really did get TFTD round two. :v:

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
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Welp, Vulture is an amazing skill to pick up from the Training School. From a single loot drop I got 2 scopes, a stock and a datapad.

LibbyM
Dec 7, 2011

I moved my grenadier and immediately told her to reload. Upon which she said "boom" did a fire grenade animation at nothing, used up her last grenade, and did not reload. I'm convinced this is because right as I tapped r to reload bradford did a little dialogue about the rail network or whatever that took away my control for a second.

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

poptart_fairy posted:

After the initial adjustment period and getting a grasp on newer game mechanics (I somehow skipped over the tooltip that tells you Rangers can do their dash attack melee every round), Commander is challenging but definitely rewarding. It's just got a lot of nasty surprises that can dump all over the player - Captains marking and then firing on the same target seem to XCOM2's Thin Men. :v:

I'm afraid that not being hit so much as once (despite marks and half cover) in the power core mission is just the game being busy in the background, polishing the hammer it's going to drop on my balls now that they aren't rookies.

The longstanding tradition of nobody being able to quite reach the enemy with their grenade toss remains, though :v: (gently caress it, blow up their cover. Hit your first Sectoid with a shotgun overwatch that had to have been single didgits chance.)

I am so not "Good" at Xcom, so this is going to be one hell of a ride to the bottom.

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Vib Rib
Jul 23, 2007

God damn this shit is
fuckin' re-dic-a-liss

🍖🍖😛🍖🍖
Hey I'm sorry if this got answered in the tidal wave of posts on release, but does anyone know what the INI value is that I have to change to remove the "Beaglefix" they talked about? The one that gives aliens the opportunity to take a shot if they reveal you on your turn?

I don't plan on exploiting this and I really feel MORE vulnerable in concealment instead of less, because if a new pod finds me and I'm revealed, I have a chance to react, but if they find me in concealment I get to loving die instantly.
I'd really like to know how to undo that last minute tweak.

George Rouncewell
Jul 20, 2007

You think that's illegal? Heh, watch this.
Game owns, is balls hard. Tactical layer is way harder than XCOM 1, but it feels like failing missions isn't quite so catastrophic in this game.

My top soldier just got captured because i didn't realize she was unconscious instead of dead. :doh:

VDay
Jul 2, 2003

I'm Pacman Jones!

LibbyM posted:

I moved my grenadier and immediately told her to reload. Upon which she said "boom" did a fire grenade animation at nothing, used up her last grenade, and did not reload. I'm convinced this is because right as I tapped r to reload bradford did a little dialogue about the rail network or whatever that took away my control for a second.

Giving two actions in quick succession in general seems kind of buggy. I've had guys bug out and not reload, go into overwatch/hunker, etc.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

Illegal Username posted:

Game owns, is balls hard. Tactical layer is way harder than XCOM 1, but it feels like failing missions isn't quite so catastrophic in this game.

My top soldier just got captured because i didn't realize she was unconscious instead of dead. :doh:

Well that gives you a chance to rescue her, doesn't it?

George Rouncewell
Jul 20, 2007

You think that's illegal? Heh, watch this.

Kai Tave posted:

Well that gives you a chance to rescue her, doesn't it?
I do like this game

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

Can someone tell me why my guys can't jump through windows sometimes?

jtm33
Mar 23, 2010
I was having a great time on commander difficulty, completing the first 6 or so missions with no deaths. Then suddenly the first mission with mechs and I lose 3 people. This game is great though, the time limits make the missions more interesting instead of creeping up and overwatching each turn.

Mr.PayDay
Jan 2, 2004
life is short - play hard
33-38 frames on Maximum Settings with 8xMSAA and 2560*1440. So this game does not demand "more" than GTA V did 1 year ago. I expected worse tbh. Then again, an updated nvidia driver will maybe tweak something, too.

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Karasu Tengu
Feb 16, 2011

Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter

Vib Rib posted:

Hey I'm sorry if this got answered in the tidal wave of posts on release, but does anyone know what the INI value is that I have to change to remove the "Beaglefix" they talked about? The one that gives aliens the opportunity to take a shot if they reveal you on your turn?

I don't plan on exploiting this and I really feel MORE vulnerable in concealment instead of less, because if a new pod finds me and I'm revealed, I have a chance to react, but if they find me in concealment I get to loving die instantly.
I'd really like to know how to undo that last minute tweak.

It's actually that they have a chance to shoot you if they walk into an exposed soldier on the higher difficulties. So long as you aren't intentionally baiting it, you probably won't get shot at.

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