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Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

katlington posted:

Jesus loving christ ian mcdonald at the senate legislation committee. SHY called him a joke lmao.

Link or it didn't happen! It does help SHY that Ian McDonald is a joke.

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Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Cycled home through Melbourne CBD last night and wow the Let them Stay rally was easily bigger than even the gently caress the 2014 Budget rally.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 03:43

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

Cartoon posted:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...131-gmhyfe.html

I have a strong suspicion that this is going to be another barracking spot for the neo-cons rather than any sort of a small business 'support' role. I hope to be greatly disappointed.

Small businesses are uphappy that customers ask for refunds and repairs for broken goods. They aren't being paid to fix customer's problems! Oh and don't get them started about credit card charge backs. And if they can hire people under whatever conditions they'd like, that would be cool too.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 03:47

UrbanLabyrinth: Jan 28, 2009; When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence; College Slice

Tokamak posted:

Small businesses are uphappy that customers ask for refunds and repairs for broken goods. They aren't being paid to fix customer's problems! Oh and don't get them started about credit card charge backs. And if they can hire people under whatever conditions they'd like, that would be cool too.

Doesn't an ombudsman usually act as an advocate against that industry (e.g TIO, FOS, Commonwealth Ombudsman) rather than advocating for that group?

# ? Feb 9, 2016 03:57

Nibbles!: Jun 26, 2008; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

make australia great again as well please

Ombudsmans have powers to investigate and make decisions. They're totally controlled by their empowering statutes though.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 04:18

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

#theerABC posted:

Peter Dutton offers to help ABC presenter Jon Faine visit Nauru immigration processing centre

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton says he will help prominent ABC Radio presenter Jon Faine visit the Australian-funded immigration processing facility on Nauru.

The cost of journalist visas in Nauru skyrocketed to $8,000 two years ago.

Last October a journalist from The Australian newspaper became the first reporter in 18 months to visit the Pacific island.

In that time there has been many applications by journalists to visit Nauru, including from the ABC.

During an exchange on 774 ABC Melbourne this morning, Mr Dutton said he had no problem with asking the Nauru Government to issue Mr Faine a visa.

Their Exchange posted:
Faine: I can't go to Nauru and see for myself, you won't let me.
Dutton: Of course you can go to Nauru.
Faine: Well will you facilitate me visiting Nauru? Because I'll go, I'll pay my own fare, I'll go if you allow it.
Dutton: More than happy do whatever we can from an Australian Government perspective to help you visit Nauru ...
Faine: Sorry, can we confirm that, you'll facilitate my visit to Nauru?
Dutton: I will do whatever the Australian Government can do to help facilitate a visit to wherever you want, Jon ... ultimately though, as you well know ... issuance of visas is an issue for the country of origin.
Faine: Will you, Peter Dutton, ask the Nauruans to issue a visa to allow me to visit the facility or not?
Dutton: I have no problem with that Jon.

Nauru's Government regularly criticises Australian media, including the ABC, for coverage of immigration issues.

"Nauru has no obligation to answer to Australian media," Nauru's Justice Minister David Adeang has previously said in a statement.

https://twitter.com/DanConifer/status/696858820266500096

# ? Feb 9, 2016 04:19

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/696860571925217280

# ? Feb 9, 2016 04:25

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

man, malcolm isn't going to be happy with potato

# ? Feb 9, 2016 04:28

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

Birb Katter posted:

https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/696860571925217280

That can't be right. Surely the darlings of labor "left" Albo and Plibersek would have spoken out against this!

# ? Feb 9, 2016 04:32

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

https://twitter.com/BevanShields/status/696871683584438272

thatfatkid posted:

That can't be right. Surely the darlings of labor "left" Albo and Plibersek would have spoken out against this!

They're not Labor anymore, just the ALP (Another Liberal Party).

# ? Feb 9, 2016 04:38

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

# ? Feb 9, 2016 04:43

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Cartoon posted:

Link or it didn't happen! It does help SHY that Ian McDonald is a joke.

Sorry it was on capital hill, macdonald was having a cry about the raped children we are sending back to naru being misrepresented as the wrong age.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 04:57

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

UrbanLabyrinth posted:

Doesn't an ombudsman usually act as an advocate against that industry (e.g TIO, FOS, Commonwealth Ombudsman) rather than advocating for that group?

http://www.treasury.gov.au/Policy-Topics/Business/Small-Business/Family-Enterprise-Ombudsman

quote:

AUSTRALIAN SMALL BUSINESS AND FAMILY ENTERPRISE OMBUDSMAN

The Government is establishing the Australian Small Business and Family Enterprise Ombudsman. This role will supersede the existing Australian Small Business Commissioner.

The Australian Small Business and Family Enterprise Ombudsman
The Australian Small Business and Family Enterprise Ombudsman will be a:

Commonwealth-wide advocate for small businesses and family enterprises;
contributor to the development of small business friendly Commonwealth laws and regulations; and
concierge for dispute resolution.
The Australian Small Business and Family Enterprise Ombudsman will also seamlessly link with business.gov.au, operated by the Department of Industry, Innovation and Science, to help small businesses easily find out about other Government services and programmes.

The functions and powers of the Australian Small Business and Family Enterprise Ombudsman are set out under the Australian Small Business and Family Enterprise Ombudsman Act 2015. This legislation is currently being implemented after receiving Royal Assent on 10 September 2015.

The Australian Small Business Commissioner
The role of the Australian Small Business Commissioner is to:

provide information and assistance to small businesses, including referral to dispute resolution services;
represent small business interests and concerns to the Australian Government; and
work with industry and government to promote a consistent and coordinated approach to small business matters.
During the transition to the Australian Small Business and Family Enterprise Ombudsman, the Australian Small Business Commissioner will continue to operate and service the needs of small businesses around Australia.

Please visit the Australian Small Business Commissioner�s website for further information on their activities.

Many of the small business in Australia are very small and the people running them are often among the lowest paid. When a business is failing they may not have any income what-so-ever but be blocked from receiving social security due to their business assets. With the TPP agreement (and other 'free trade' agreements)small businesses now face the perils of being sued by foreign corporations. Small business owners are not generally eligible for legal aid.

Unfortunately the position is, as I suspected, there to provide a shill for the neocon penalty rates/IR agenda and that amply explains Kate Carnell getting the job. Nice to see the government funding a position specifically to promote their agenda. :3:

# ? Feb 9, 2016 05:07

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

How's that mining boom thing working out for you WA?

# ? Feb 9, 2016 05:08

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Think of how bad it would have been with the Carbon Tax.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 05:15

Schneider Inside Her: Aug 6, 2009; Please bitches. If nothing else I am a gentleman

We got a pretty sweet jetty though

# ? Feb 9, 2016 05:17

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

redweird posted:

We got a pretty sweet jetty though

hell yeah

# ? Feb 9, 2016 05:32

Vladimir Poutine: Aug 13, 2012

Cartoon posted:

Sorry guys it isn't cool to use anyone's disability as an argument against them. Please stop. Even if the person has explicitly used their disability as a bargaining chip. There are so many other ways to show how hosed up what SL is advocating that it really only makes the disability argument look like a dog act.

Amethyst posted:

Awesome to see a bunch of poseurs who will scream at the slightest ideological sin using a person's mental illness for ammo in a flame war.

Yeah, seriously. I didn't really contribute to this debate but making fun of someone for having autism or obesity is definitely arsehole behaviour.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 05:37

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

UrbanLabyrinth posted:

Doesn't an ombudsman usually act as an advocate against that industry (e.g TIO, FOS, Commonwealth Ombudsman) rather than advocating for that group?

The newly appointed ombudsman was running the chamber of commerce. She was the woman who would come on to the ABC whenever they needed a shill for businesses. The whole thing is set up to provide help to businesses that need it the most (small), however she will undoubtedly become a figurehead for whatever agenda big businesses are pushing. It will be the usual, [cutting penalty rates/issue] will help struggling businesses (but will help big businesses a lot more).

# ? Feb 9, 2016 05:44

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

In a contest of judging who the real dole bludger is please don't introduce your own disability or lack thereof, thanks.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 05:45

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

Vladimir Poutine posted:

Yeah, seriously. I didn't really contribute to this debate but making fun of someone for having autism or obesity is definitely arsehole behaviour.

Obesity is always fair game.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 05:48

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

thatfatkid posted:

Obesity is always fair game.

Just because you're used to being picked on thatfatkid doesn't mean that others should share your Stockholm Syndrome.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 05:53

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

I'm not actually fat

# ? Feb 9, 2016 06:12

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

thatfatkid posted:

Obesity is always fair game.

http://www.genengnews.com/gen-news-highlights/goodbye-to-the-bmi/81252335/

# ? Feb 9, 2016 06:17

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

thatfatkid posted:

Obesity is always fair game.

Given the increasing amount of research thats pointing to a strong link between genetics and obesity, no, it probably isnt.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 06:17

Halo14: Sep 11, 2001

Sydney lockout laws: Premier Mike Baird defends laws as independent review approaches

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-lockout-laws-premier-mike-baird-defends-laws-as-independent-review-approaches-20160209-gmp6dw.html

quote:

NSW Premier Mike Baird has all but ruled out any changes to the state government's controversial "lockout" laws, just as his government prepares to review the legislation.
The Premier took to Facebook to address what he called "growing hysteria" about the impact of the laws, two years since they were passed.

"The main complaints seem to be that you can't drink till dawn any more and you can't impulse-buy a bottle of white after 10pm," Mr Baird wrote, in a reference to recent criticism that claims the laws depress Sydney's nightlife and undercut its claims to be a global city.
"I understand that this presents an inconvenience. Some say this makes us an international embarrassment.
"Except, assaults are down by 42.2 per cent.
"And there is nothing embarrassing about that."

The reforms were introduced under former premier Barry O'Farrell two years ago following high-profile instances of so-called alcohol-fuelled violence.
Mr Baird and his predecessor have been trailed by critics of the laws on social media. Even Mr Baird's recent Instagram post marking New Year's Eve with a glass of champagne was flooded with negative comments about the effects of the lockout.

The reforms restricted the sale of alcohol and operating hours for pubs and clubs in Sydney's centre, forbidding bottle shops from selling alcohol after 10pm and restricting licensed venues in Sydney's CBD and Kings Cross from accepting new patrons after 1.30am and serving alcohol at 3am.

"Some have suggested these laws are really about moralising," Mr Baird said. "They are right. These laws are about the moral obligation we have to protect innocent people from drunken violence.
"[Those] who wish to define our city by one street on Kings Cross make the hysterical claim that Sydney is dead.
"They couldn't be more wrong. This is the greatest city in the world and it is now safer and more vibrant than ever."

Mr Baird said the number of small bars in the city had doubled in the period since the lockout was brought in.
Emergency service workers and some criminologists have praised the laws for reducing crime rates, while the business lobby has argued that the changes are devastating Sydney's hospitality industry and nightlife.
One recent review commissioned by the City of Sydney found foot traffic in Kings Cross was down nearly 60 per cent about 11 pm. But the methodology behind that report has come in for criticism with accusations of cherry-picking data.

Prominent businessman Matt Barrie wrote a tirade against the laws that was widely shared online this week.
He described the regulations as reflecting what happens when "a state gets taken over by a cabal of zealots whose only policy is religious ideology".
Mr Barrie responded to the Premier's post on Tuesday, noting his own piece had been read some 900,000 times with mostly favourable responses.

This month the Baird government begins its review of the lockout laws, which will seek testimony on their impact on Sydney businesses as well as on crime rates.
Justice Minister Troy Grant has said that the state government will "have a firmly stated position about the future of lockouts" once the review is complete.
But the Premier's post seemingly all but rules out the possibility that the laws might relax.
"It is going to take a lot for me to change my mind on a policy that is so clearly improving this city," Mr Baird said.

drat, you're right Mike. Although people are freely available to flock to the casino and Gamble Responsibly...

# ? Feb 9, 2016 06:19

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

Frogmanv2 posted:

Given the increasing amount of research thats pointing to a strong link between genetics and obesity, no, it probably isnt.

There's no gene that forces a fatfuck to continue to be a fatfuck.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 06:19

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

thatfatkid posted:

There's no gene that forces a fatfuck to continue to be a fatfuck.

Even as someone who recognises that the reason he's overweight is due to the choices he makes this is loving comedy.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 06:21

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Frogmanv2 posted:

Given the increasing amount of research thats pointing to a strong link between genetics and obesity, no, it probably isnt.

I'm no doctor but I'm tipping that a first world diet and lifestyle play a bigger role in it.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 06:22

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

hooman posted:

Even as someone who recognises that the reason he's overweight is due to the choices he makes this is loving comedy.

Hmm yes obesity is clearly caused by anything other than eating too much loving food and not exercising enough.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 06:24

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

thatfatkid posted:

There's no gene that forces a fatfuck to continue to be a fatfuck.

You are right, in that its not a single gene, but you are wrong in that there is a link.

http://sciencenordic.com/new-study-strengthens-link-between-genes-and-obesity

But hey, dont let that stop you from spouting uninformed bullshit. It never has before.

gay picnic defence posted:

I'm no doctor

Clearly

gay picnic defence posted:

but I'm tipping that a first world diet and lifestyle play a bigger role in it.

Oh, cool, well, as long as your gut tells you something is right, then it must be.

Im not saying that diet doesnt play a part. It clearly does. What I am saying is that genetics can play a massive part in regulating how much food you eat.

NPR Journalizard fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Feb 9, 2016

# ? Feb 9, 2016 06:26

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

thatfatkid posted:

Hmm yes obesity is clearly caused by anything other than eating too much loving food and not exercising enough.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 06:28

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

Frogmanv2 posted:

Oh, cool, well, as long as your gut tells you something is right, then it must be.

Given the size of GPD's gut it must have immense reasoning power.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 06:29

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

gay picnic defence posted:

I'm no doctor but I'm tipping that a first world diet and lifestyle play a bigger role in it.

Yes, just like with alcohol and drug addiction there are lifestyle social and economic reasons but there are also genetic dispositions.

thatfatkid posted:

Hmm yes obesity is clearly caused by anything other than eating too much loving food and not exercising enough.

But that's not what you said.

thatfatkid posted:

There's no gene that forces a fatfuck to continue to be a fatfuck.

For example drug addiction is caused by taking drugs, making that choice and then subsequently not being able to change those habits can be genetic. In fact the "adventure" gene that those lovely car ads harp on about is also a strong predictor for drug addiction. Sure thing though, any deviation from perfection is just a personal failing.

EDIT: Do you actually understand why people get fat? Because their body is sending their brain incorrect hungry signals. Nobody goes "Well, I've eaten my salad and am fully sated, however now I'm going to eat 5 big macs because I want to be fat".

I guess unless that's someone's weird fetish.

EDIT2: Accidentally doxxing Soag ITT

hooman fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Feb 9, 2016

# ? Feb 9, 2016 06:29

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Frogmanv2 posted:

Given the increasing amount of research thats pointing to a strong link between genetics and obesity, no, it probably isnt.

Eh, while there's more research being poured into genetic factors of obesity, usually heritability estimates ranges from .20 through to .70 . As Swenciones and Rendell (2012) highlight, while genetics does seemingly account for a portion of the variance, this provides a kind of ego defense to people who are obese but could benefit from engaging in corrective health behaviours. Additionally, even assuming that genetics accounted for .70 of the variance, a window for intervention and behaviour change still exists.

The tl;dr of this is please don't use genetics as a crutch for obesity. It's an extremely complex issue which rises above and beyond being predetermined via genetics.

References

Swencionis, C., & Rendell, S. L. (2012). The psychology of obesity. Abdominal Imaging, 37(5), 733-737. doi:10.1007/s00261-012-9863-9

# ? Feb 9, 2016 06:40

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

People get fat/obese because they're lazy pieces of poo poo who eat too much and don't exercise enough. There is no justification for being obese and making excuses for the obese as if they have no agency is just enabling them.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 06:41

Halo14: Sep 11, 2001

thatfatkid posted:

People get fat/obese because they're lazy pieces of poo poo who eat too much and don't exercise enough. There is no justification for being obese and making excuses for the obese as if they have no agency is just enabling them.

Awesome, take it to YLLS. Noone cares.

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quote:

In early February L-NP support fell 2.5% to 52.5% cf. ALP up 2.5% to 47.5% on a two-party preferred basis. If a Federal Election were held now the L-NP would still win.
Primary support for the L-NP is 43.5% (unchanged) with ALP at 29% (up 1%). Support for the Greens is up 1% to 16%, Nick Xenophon Team 1% (down 1%; 15% in South Australia), Katter�s Australian Party is 0.5% (down 1.5%), Palmer United Party is 0.5% (unchanged) and Independents/ Others are at 9.5% (up 0.5%).

Halo14 fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Feb 9, 2016

# ? Feb 9, 2016 06:43

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

thatfatkid posted:

People get ~~fat/obese~~ poor because they're lazy pieces of poo poo who ~~eat too much~~ are lazy and don't ~~exercise~~ try enough. There is no justification for being ~~obese~~ poor and making excuses for the ~~obese~~ poor as if they have no agency is just enabling them.

# ? Feb 9, 2016 06:46

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

Hahaha really? Comparing a self inflicted health issue to poverty? Wow, just wow...

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Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Okay can we just loving not do fatchat, it's pretty clear that it's a complex issue and not everyone here is arguing in good faith so just shut the gently caress up no-one cares anymore goddamn

# ? Feb 9, 2016 06:49

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