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RBA Starblade posted:I thought I crawled along in EU but I've barely changed my tactics in XCOM 2 at all besides ignoring sniper rifles for the most part and I'm completing things with plenty of time to spare. The only times I didn't were in mass missing sprees. I don't know what people are doing (on Veteran at least) that they keep hitting the timer limit. Yeah my average 'turns left on time limit' was over 3. On Commander. I had plenty of time. Maybe people are overusing overwatch/not making use of concealed ranger scouts? The Avatar track is a non-issue when you realise how it works. In particular, when the aliens make progress, that progress is assigned to one of the existing facilities on the world map. You can see this in how many pips are beneath each facility. When you take out the facility, those progress pips are deducted from the avatar progress bar Just keep hitting the facilities with the most pips and you'll have no problems.
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VDay posted:There hasn't been a patch. steam downloaded 631 megs of xcom at noon. also it's crashing when i load saves sometimes for the first time ever
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Feb 9, 2016 22:05
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What the gently caress is the awc pool Because getting lightning reflexes made me raise an eyebrow
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Feb 9, 2016 22:06
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The Goatfather posted:steam downloaded 631 megs of xcom at noon. also it's crashing when i load saves sometimes for the first time ever Did you somehow not have the soundtrack downloaded, because I think that was about 600MB. I haven't had anything except workshop updates and I figured there'd be at least one article about the first XCom2 patch coming out somewhere online. ZenVulgarity posted:What the gently caress is the awc pool It's a bunch of high-tier abilities plus some special ones that classes can't normally get.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:06
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The time limits are way less punishing once you get on your feet and have tools to work with. At the start of the game your tools are pretty restricted so its harder to do stuff. Hell if just the first guerrilla op had +2 to the turn limit I bet there would be less moaning.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:06
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ZenVulgarity posted:What the gently caress is the awc pool Basically everything that's not tied to a secondary weapon. Getting lightning reflexes and shredder on my combat specialist is super good.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:07
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Fintilgin posted:I'm kinda thinking XCOM should have left the Commander in the tank because it would be more damaging to ADVENTs strategic skill then taking him out. Yeah but have you seen how bad Bradford's commanding is??? He loses all but one of his operatives on literally every mission! Still it'll be funny if now this means that for XCOM 3 it'll be 'XCOM failed, again'. Good job player base.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:08
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Are downed UFO missions an elaborate inside joke? I just finished my campaign at 38 hours and never got one. My friend didn't either. We both played on Commander.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:08
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Elliotw2 posted:Basically everything that's not tied to a secondary weapon. Right but lightning reflexes isn't in the game under any class
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Feb 9, 2016 22:08
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ZenVulgarity posted:Right but lightning reflexes isn't in the game under any class Everything, including XCOM 1 perks.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:08
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Operation Blood Wagon has by far been my favorite mission name.
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Elliotw2 posted:It's not firaxis's fault that half of the EW playerbase are apparently unable to handle any stress. It is their fault, if they didn't do their due diligence on what players wanted and didn't want out of their luxury entertainment product. If popular player mods are ripping out entire game mechanics, there's obviously something wrong with those game mechanics. I'm legitimately interested in what happens in updates, accordingly. I'm reminded of the Gamasutra postmortem of Bioshock 1. Their first outside play testing revealed that while internal responses to System Shock With An Underwater Skin were high, the normal playtesters were judging most of the stolen-from-SS stuff unfun. They had to do a 180 after that, leading to a game that was better than System Shock.
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Haha, okay so, finished the game: The ending was kinda satisfying, i like the foreshadowing at something greater than the Elders and maybe some underwater action. What wasn't satisfying was that loving last mission where i fought pack after pack in a eternal crossfire due to, surprise surprise, another bug in this unoptimized turd. Generally i think the game is a fair bit of fun, but it needs A LOT of work on balance, game mechanics, bugs and performance before i ever touch it again. This release was rushed or just plain hosed up.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:09
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Lima posted:I think a large part of the negativity comes from people wanting the *~perfect campaign~* or that they just haven't realized that it's okay to lose soldiers and missions, and nothing bad is going to happen if you max out the doom counter and end the countdown at 1 hour to go. In fairness, though, the first Firaxis XCOM sort of trained us that losing a mission was a BAD BAD THING, and you'd instantly permanently lose countries and push up the doom clock and be in big trouble. I'm not sure XCOM 2 really teaches returning players the difference. For example, that losing a retaliation mission or bugging out is basically just a money hit and inconvenience, instead of a permanent black mark and possible game ender. I sort of wonder if the tutorial should have had a mission that opens normally but then just sends endless waves of nasty aliens and reinforcements and it's designed to be unwinnable so that Bradford can tell you abort and how it's okay to cut and run and your most important resources is your soldiers.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:09
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Elliotw2 posted:Basically everything that's not tied to a secondary weapon. My combat specialist got super grenades. The mission before he got it he blew up an advent mec with a grenade. I like little coincidences like that. quote:It is their fault, if they didn't do their due diligence on what players wanted and didn't want out of their luxury entertainment product. If popular player mods are ripping out entire game mechanics, there's obviously something wrong with those game mechanics. I'm legitimately interested in what happens in updates, accordingly. lmao
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Elliotw2 posted:Everything, including XCOM 1 perks. Is that intentional or a fuckup
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Antti posted:Are downed UFO missions an elaborate inside joke? I just finished my campaign at 38 hours and never got one. My friend didn't either. We both played on Commander. I got two of them during my Veteran game. As a small correction it they aren't downed UFOs, they are just landed. They end up being super-supply-raid missions. No matter how hard they are unless you're already swimming in resources they are well worth doing.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:10
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Captain Magic posted:Operation Blood Wagon has by far been my favorite mission name. I liked Operation Unholy Rhyme. Operation Frozen Misery was also portentous for how much of a clusterfuck that turned into.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:11
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ZenVulgarity posted:Is that intentional or a fuckup Its absolutely intentional and I don't know why you'd think it wouldn't be. I mean getting something like sprinter in this game would be amazing for any class. I've had zero fun with the AWC. Aside from my killzone grenadier (RIP), nobody has gotten anything neat. In fact my colonel ranger and gunslinger got jack poo poo while my specialists both got blast padding of all things. Its disappointing.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:11
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The game would be boring as poo poo without timers. Every time I get one of those missions that don't have a timer, it's literally easier than any mission in both XComs. You are so overpowered ability-wise that your only limitation is that you can only use it 1-2 times per timed mission. Without a timer, I'd be spamming all the double attacks+mech hacks in between every pod encounter.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:11
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ZenVulgarity posted:Is that intentional or a fuckup No idea, but I've only ever seen Lightning Reflexes pop and no one has shown anything else. Its possible its just LR in the pool, but I can't find it in the inis. 
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Feb 9, 2016 22:11
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MisterBibs posted:It is their fault, if they didn't do their due diligence on what players wanted and didn't want out of their luxury entertainment product. If popular player mods are ripping out entire game mechanics, there's obviously something wrong with those game mechanics. I'm legitimately interested in what happens in updates, accordingly. Half is an exaggeration, based on steam reviews it's probably around 5-10% of players at most, and if Firaxis removes perfectly good and enjoyable mechanics to try and please 10 idiots on Reddit then I will lose all respect for them.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:12
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Zore posted:No idea, but I've only ever seen Lightning Reflexes pop and no one has shown anything else. It's probably in the unreal scripts, it seems like a lot of building stuff is
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MisterBibs posted:It is their fault, if they didn't do their due diligence on what players wanted and didn't want out of their luxury entertainment product. If popular player mods are ripping out entire game mechanics, there's obviously something wrong with those game mechanics. There's always a contingent of people who mod themselves infinite health or bullets in every game because they aren't able to accept anything less than a total power fantasy. It doesn't mean a drat thing.
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Internet Kraken posted:I've had zero fun with the AWC. Aside from my killzone grenadier (RIP), nobody has gotten anything neat. In fact my colonel ranger and gunslinger got jack poo poo while my specialists both got blast padding of all things. Its disappointing.
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MisterBibs posted:If popular player mods are ripping out entire game mechanics, there's obviously something wrong with those game mechanics. Or it just means that some people prefer not to deal with those mechanics for one reason or another. Using this logic the thing that Skyrim most needed in the base game is apparently for all characters to have huge dicks.
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MisterBibs posted:It is their fault, if they didn't do their due diligence on what players wanted and didn't want out of their luxury entertainment product. If popular player mods are ripping out entire game mechanics, there's obviously something wrong with those game mechanics. I'm legitimately interested in what happens in updates, accordingly. If we're judging by popular player mods then everyone wanted Long War, right? There was a Skyrim/modding/tits joke here, but they covered that in game. MisterBibs posted:They had to do a 180 after that, leading to a game that was better than System Shock.  Oh, wait, you're just being contrary.
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I put in the mod for fixing the squad UI size, pumped up the pod size, and now I'm fielding a squad of 10 on legendary
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Like one percent of people even mod their game altogether. There is no massive rush of people modding the timers out, and it's getting glowing reviews by actual critics. The Steam percentage is ticking up slowly too. I am looking forward to some kind of Commander Plus type of difficulty mod which takes the best parts of legendary mode for a lengthy game experience. Maybe throw in a bigger squad too. Some sort of LW lite.
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Oh and every class can use every gun and now research takes three times as long Because mods are fun
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Internet Kraken posted:I'd be interested in a survey on totally new players to Xcom 2 versus ones that played Xcom 1. I'd be willing to bet that the new players in general have less of a problem than the Xcom 1 veterans. New players go in with an open mind and learn the tactics appropriate to the game. Old players try the stuff that worked before, refuse to adapt when it fails, and instead blame the balance of the game. I only have about 10 hours logged in xcom 1 but barely even knew how flanking worked so I'm pretty new. I have zero complaints about xcom 2. I really don't even want to go back and finish the xcom 1 campaign because it's just a boring game compared to this.
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I've been avoiding mods since they kinda lock your campaign into using that particular mod for the duration, and I don't feel any need to put tits on all the guns or whatever. I might mess with some of the timer stuff when I want to make a gimmick 6 sniper team or something.
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I'm kind of surprised there's no mod that lets you recruit aliens yet but I figure that's a taller order than first imagined. Still really looking forward to it though. It's got to be inevitable.
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For reference the most popular timer tweak mod has ~21,000 subscriptions (not necessarily uses, mind you) and is the 25th most popular mod in the game. Yes clearly this is a must-change issue that the entire playerbase is clamoring for.
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texasmed posted:I've been avoiding mods since they kinda lock your campaign into using that particular mod for the duration, and I don't feel any need to put tits on all the guns or whatever. I might mess with some of the timer stuff when I want to make a gimmick 6 sniper team or something. 10 person squad size owns
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Vib Rib posted:I'm kind of surprised there's no mod that lets you recruit aliens yet but I figure that's a taller order than first imagined. I still want to be able to bring home MECs I hack and leave alive at the end of missions.
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ZenVulgarity posted:I put in the mod for fixing the squad UI size, pumped up the pod size, and now I'm fielding a squad of 10 on legendary Can you post a screenshot of your pre-mission squad selection screen with 10 soldiers? Because whoa
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Elliotw2 posted:Half is an exaggeration, based on steam reviews it's probably around 5-10% of players at most, and if Firaxis removes perfectly good and enjoyable mechanics to try and please 10 idiots on Reddit then I will lose all respect for them. I could actually see them adding extra turns on the timer for the first two difficulty. I think they could even add a bunch of turns, like +50% or even double them, and not really make the game particularly easier. If we're already not hitting the turn cap then it doesn't matter if you have 3 turns left or 8 turns left. A 12 or 15 turn limit is still going to force players to move instead of overwatch crawl they'll just feel less anxious... which is fine for easier difficulty levels. Honestly, I'd change the name of 'Recruit' difficulty to 'Soldier' or something so strategy babbys would feel less emasculated from playing it. 
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I'm having way too much fun tinkering with the troop customization. Stasis is kinda like Quen, right?
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Elliotw2 posted:if Firaxis removes perfectly good and enjoyable mechanics to try and please 10 idiots on Reddit then I will lose all respect for them. Did you say the same thing about Valve when they fixed that elevator sequence in Ep2 so that the majority of people didn't die on it? Or Irrational, when SS2 had a patch that let you prevent your weapons breaking constantly? Don't get me wrong, I'm not really expecting Firaxis to do the right thing, swallow their pride, and realize that "It'd be too easy" is an invalid justification for anything with regards to video games, I just find if interesting that there's a clear "These mechanics are not ones I want in my game" message through multiple channels, and I wonder how the folks who made the game will react to the newspaper to the nose. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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