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imagine being a labor party shill so boring that not even the auspol thread buys you a custom avatar
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Laserface posted:gently caress if only human beings had some kind of overriding free will they could engage to avoid unhealthy behaviour. I guess? I didn't mean to imply that these genetic factors couldn't be overcome, just that there's a reason why the genetic factors have become an issue in recent history only and only in developed nations. I'm not really wading into the debate about whether or not obesity is preventable but there is good research evidence that obesity has a very large genetic element which really shouldn't be ignored in any discussion about how to intervene
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Feb 9, 2016 13:34
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Solemn Sloth posted:imagine being a labor party shill so boring that not even the auspol thread buys you a custom avatar Yup. Totally gutted.
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Feb 9, 2016 13:41
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Nibbles! posted:Over abundance of lovely foods mostly. It's pretty hard to overeat on fruit and veg, very easy to do it with simple carbs and fats. If you look at labels when you buy stuff sugar is in pretty much everything processed, and the stuff that proudly displays 'reduced fat' will have a shitload. Not to mention the extremely disingenuous "average serving" based on what I can only assume is the food intake of ants.
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Feb 9, 2016 13:48
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Yeah, that's what a big part of the food labelling regulations and such would have addressed. If you read labels get used to using the "per 100g" section rather than the 'per serve' on and you get used to working things out. Serrath posted:I guess? I didn't mean to imply that these genetic factors couldn't be overcome, just that there's a reason why the genetic factors have become an issue in recent history only and only in developed nations. I'm not really wading into the debate about whether or not obesity is preventable but there is good research evidence that obesity has a very large genetic element which really shouldn't be ignored in any discussion about how to intervene Genetics are certainly an element but the psychological factors are probably the largest. Genetics contribute to the effects of overeating.
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Feb 9, 2016 14:01
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Solemn Sloth posted:imagine being a labor party shill so boring that not even the auspol thread buys you a custom avatar he's doing his best with the material he has to work with, imo
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Feb 9, 2016 14:09
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Feb 9, 2016 14:30
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Anidav posted:EvilElmo is friendlyjordies Nah, Jordies at least comes across as a change from within type (you know the kind). Elmo is just a 'my team wins, who cares about what the game actually means' muppet.
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Feb 9, 2016 14:39
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Career politicians are part of an industry not a democracy. Change comes from the outside not the inside.
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~Story time~ For the record I used to be a pretty sedentary person (gaming 5-7hrs a night, no exercise ever, desk job) who has never been into sports or fitness or anything to do with active lifestyles. I was comfortable with my lovely diet and lovely lifestyle because they enabled each other. I don't even know why I did it but I joined a gym about 6 months ago. I hate the idea of gyms and the stereotypes. everything about the 'gym person' image was the exact opposite of what I am. I didn't even want to do it. I didn't want to be muscle-y, I didn't want to lose weight, I didn't want to get sweaty and exert myself. I went from not even being able to complete a single pushup to doing 60 in a row without much hassle in 6 months. Its a 30min commitment 3 days a week, I barely changed my eating habits (I still eat fast food/get stoned and gorge on 30 McNuggets) and I still dropped a pants size (closing in on two). Admittedly I wasn't obese, but I was basically a skinny fat dude with a pot belly and now I actually have some body definition besides a gut. if I put 100% of my effort behind this poo poo I would probably be one of those 100kg of lean muscle guys ready to king hit dudes in The Cross by now. But I don't really like exerting myself and getting sweaty so I just do what I can (with a weekly PT session to really push me.) And you know what? I feel better about myself than loving ever. For literally the first time in my 30 years of existing, I can look at myself naked in the mirror and actually feel GOOD about myself. After being picked on for my entire schooling life for being a skinny, pasty four-eyes at schools in The Shire (where if you aren't tanned and surfie you're basically scum), to the point where I tried to kill myself at the age of 12, 13 and 18 (and for unrelated but similar reasons at 25 and 28) that is a massive deal. I still struggle with self confidence because its hard to undo being told you cant/wont achieve anything for most of your childhood by classmates and father, but its starting to come around (with a good psychologist). Can't afford a gym membership? walk around the loving block. walk up and down your apartment buildings stairs. JUST EAT LESS. no one needs a footlong sandwich, or chips with their hamburger/steak/schnitty. You'll save money by ordering smaller meals too. Self Esteem? 24hr gym. go at 2AM. Just because you won't progress as quickly as someone who has *good genetics* doesn't mean it's futile. A buddy of mine is Korean, and I can put on muscle twice as quick as him with a fraction of the effort. He still gets to the gym every loving day and works for the small gains he can make. Being genetically predisposed to something doesn't stop the person IF THEY WANT IT ENOUGH. poo poo, it's not even really that easy for me to lose the relatively small amount of fat I have, probably because I am genetically predisposed to having a beer gut like my dad does, and his dad did. I lost my rear end before I lost anything off my belly. I dont want/expect anyone to feel sorry for me after this post, but its not some massive lifestyle shift to begin being healthy, and I figured I might be a somewhat relatable situation to others in here. Blaming Genetics is just another reason to not try and its a lovely one. If thats your attitude I hope you dont procreate, lest your children be stricken with the same insurmountable struggle of not having a second helping. Serrath posted:The most current models hold that you can genetically inherent the propensity to store larger amounts of fat in the presence of over abundant food, not the quality of being obese specifically Its probably just that processed sugar is in loving ~everything,~ even normally considered healthy foods, and it fucks with your brain and your digestive system/metabolism. The amount of fatties I see drinking a gigantic Boost Juice under the assumption it is good for them is really scary. Fat free poo poo is loaded with sugar so it tastes good. you would be better off with full fat whatever than with 98% fat free whatever. People tell you to avoid Coke but Lift/Solo/lemonade has like twice the sugar of Coke (which is still bad but its an interesting example) Its sort of not as bad in Australia thanks to not being reliant on High Fructose Corn Syrup as a sweetener but its still pretty loving bad.
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Feb 9, 2016 15:36
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laserface in personal responsibility anecdote shock
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Feb 9, 2016 16:21
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You should write a book of self discovery and personal triumph. It'll be a best seller.
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Feb 9, 2016 16:47
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Laserface posted:~Story time~ Congratulations. You hit the lottery. Just because you were lucky enough to have the confluence of hundreds of different factors all coming together at the same time to enable you to make the change that has enriched your life doesn't mean that people who haven't had that luck are deserving of your scorn.
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all that's actually been proven tbh is thatfatkid is a piece of poo poo at any size
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Feb 9, 2016 20:31
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Laserface posted:A plucky tale where a white guy from the Shire succeeds at life using bootstraps As a white guy from the Shire who spent most of his life surfing I need to cut you down a few pegs or so congrats on moving your life in a positive direction but this is auspol, we don't play nice with others
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Feb 9, 2016 21:15
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Serrath posted:The most current models hold that you can genetically inherent the propensity to store larger amounts of fat in the presence of over abundant food, not the quality of being obese specifically Sure, but how much can genetics explain why 35% of the US population is fat while only 10% of the Belgian population is fat for example?
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Feb 9, 2016 21:30
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To all fatgoons, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3758780 Swole yourself today!
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Feb 9, 2016 21:35
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AABHAAHJSAHAHSAHAHSHBHAHAHAHBHAHAKLALAHAHAHAHAHAHthe#irABC posted:Greg Hunt wins inaugural Best Minister in the World award at Dubai summit
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Feb 9, 2016 22:10
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Birb Katter posted:AABHAAHJSAHAHSAHAHSHBHAHAHAHBHAHAKLALAHAHAHAHAHAH It's okay Birb, I hereby award you the First Annual Montgomery Burns Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellent Pavel Posting
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Feb 9, 2016 22:19
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Birdstrike posted:It's okay Birb, I hereby award you the First Annual Montgomery Burns Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellent Pavel Posting It's excellence, not excellent. The excellent award is the Bill and Ted award. -- ABC has an interactive homeless map thing up -- Don't play fast and loose with this Pavel at work, you won't win (unless you find out your boss is a Pavel fan too at which point are you hiring?)  http://40.media.tumblr.com/079f9c7879e690929aff1ac60f761aaf/tumblr_mg4guutdSC1r13tm3o1_1280.jpg
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Feb 9, 2016 22:28
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Birb Katter posted:It's excellence, not excellent. The excellent award is the Bill and Ted award. 'Excellence Pavel Posting' doesn't make sense
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Feb 9, 2016 22:31
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Birb Katter posted:AABHAAHJSAHAHSAHAHSHBHAHAHAHBHAHAKLALAHAHAHAHAHAH Hey, the Holden Camira won Car of the Year, so you know, there can be tarnishing here as well.
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Birdstrike posted:'Excellence Pavel Posting' doesn't make sense Who cares about grammar when you have Pavel? http://i.imgur.com/oIfWewh.jpg
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Feb 9, 2016 22:39
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gay picnic defence posted:Sure, but how much can genetics explain why 35% of the US population is fat while only 10% of the Belgian population is fat for example? That's where corn subsidies come in
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Frogmanv2 posted:Congratulations. You hit the lottery. Just because you were lucky enough to have the confluence of hundreds of different factors all coming together at the same time to enable you to make the change that has enriched your life doesn't mean that people who haven't had that luck are deserving of your scorn. Luck has nothing to do with having the self discipline to not be a fat piece of poo poo that blames their obesity on bullshit.
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thatfatkid posted:Luck has nothing to do with having the self discipline to not be a fat piece of poo poo that blames their obesity on bullshit. No, luck has everything to do with it. He was lucky that his brain had the right balance of chemicals streaming through it in order to go to the gym. He was lucky he had the knowledge, experience and money to continue going to the gym. How exactly did he develop the self discipline required to make these choices? Do you think it just magically happened? Or that there was a long list of events leading up to that decision that all played a part in it?
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gay picnic defence posted:Sure, but how much can genetics explain why 35% of the US population is fat while only 10% of the Belgian population is fat for example? I don't want to keep contributing to a derail but I qualified my statement to include the fact that this genetic variation is seen in environments of calorie excess. This is a spectrum, not an absolute measure; models suggest that the US simply has more excess than Belgium Obviously there's more to it than that and I'd be the last person to dismiss psychological factors (that may even vary from region to region). My reply was directed more at people who would dismiss the genetic relationship completely
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Dave from Something Wonky had some chat this week about attitudes to refugees, immigrants and general racism and basically blamed Howard. It got me thinking "yes but" and then I found this 1995 doco about shock jocks that sets the scene of pre Howard attitudes. pro-click documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9IzkKir6sI
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I finally caught up with the thread and just want to say Pavel is awesome, thanks Birb! (Though it's good you started putting them behind links, if I'd started catching up at work instead of home that might have been awkward) (Also big eyeroll to whoever was going on about how he shouldnt be crossdressing)
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Greg Hunt won an award for being "the best minister in the world" I have no other words
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They obviously love Top Gear in Dubai.
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Laserface posted:~Story time~ Maybe you should have, I don't know, not tried to kill yourself silly. It's that easy, just PUT down the razor blade. Just lmao off at anyone who is suicidal JUST DONT KILL YOURSELF! DONT PUT THAT NOOSE AROUND YOUR NECK PROBLEM SOLVED
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The Australian just published a call for a universal basic income trial in Australia. Today is opposite day, I guess.
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Amethyst posted:The Australian just published a call for a universal basic income trial in Australia. Today is opposite day, I guess. Holy crap, anyone mind doing a copy paste?
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Feb 10, 2016 00:09
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Bifauxnen posted:Holy crap, anyone mind doing a copy paste? I've only got the print edition, can't get through the paywall.
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quote:As we go into the new political year, I am putting out a request to our sitting leaders: the Australian “innovation nation” desperately needs some innovative policy. I can't help but think a limited trial like that would be so different to a population wide roll out that any conclusions drawn from the trial would be basically meaningless. Should start with the entire state of Tasmania.
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open24hours posted:Should start with the entire state of Tasmania.
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Wow, that's really nice to see more mainstream coverage. They covered some of the more right wing ways of coming to it pretty well, like removing welfare cliffs. A nice start to the morning. 
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Probably a limited rollout to a combination of swing seats and places where your mates live.
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How much more expensive would it be compared to the current system, anyway? I think we spend around $190b at the moment? $1000/citizen/month works out to roughly $250b, just in the raw payouts, but the lack of means testing and bureaucracy would mean significant savings, right?
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