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Juffo-Wup posted:Well, yes, but getting a satellite into the right orbit and putting a missile on target are similar, technically speaking. A missile with a CEP measured in tens of kilometers is not a terribly reliable deterrent, so from that perspective the regime can't be super happy with the result. Yeah, I know, that was the point I made in my original post. As to accuracy, yeah, the more accurate the better but the US really can't tolerate anyone hitting it with missiles anywhere. If the (never going to actually be launched unless all hell is breaking out in some other way already) nuclear missile accidentally comes down in Tacoma instead of Seattle we might be still be pretty pissed. Dapper_Swindler posted:http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/10/asia/north-korea-army-chief-ri-yong-gil-executed/index.html Not really. A number of other people with similar backgrounds have disappeared or (been forcibly) retired in the past two or so years.
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Majorian posted:Yup. And even if they do nothing, even if war with North Korea never happens, Beijing is still unlikely to ever cotton to U.S. missile interceptors on what they consider to be "their turf," or near enough to their airspace to potentially block China's own nuclear deterrent. The US has had missile interceptors a lot more capable than the THAAD off both the Japanese and Korean coasts in the form of the ship-based SM-3 for quite some time now. Japan has also conducted tests of the SM-3 since 2007, is jointly developing the missile, and has already deployed it to their Navy. Note that the SM-3 has an advertised range of over double that of THAAD with a much higher velocity, yet aside from voicing an objection to the planned placement of a RADAR installation China has otherwise made very little noise over it. So basically what I'm saying is Beijing already cottons much more capable U.S. missile interceptors on what they consider "their turf", near enough to their airspace to potentially (see: does not actually) block China's own nuclear deterrent. Choosing the shorter range THAAD was likely intentional to present the least provocative option. Additionally, these aren't boost phase interceptors and don't have the range to hit anything over Chinese territory from the South Korean side of the peninsula so I'm not sure what you think sticking them near China accomplishes. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Feb 11, 2016 |
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blowfish posted:pro tip: thinking the real world works like mediocre video games makes you I read that the Red Dawn remake involves North Korea invading the USA. Does this mean America is doomed? 
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Vagabundo posted:I read that the Red Dawn remake involves North Korea invading the USA. Does this mean America is doomed? Yes, but not from anything you'd find in a Red Dawn book. Unless you count the kind of people that take them seriously. Ronald Reagan, for instance.
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WarpedNaba posted:Yes, but not from anything you'd find in a Red Dawn book. Unless you count the kind of people that take them seriously. Ronald Reagan! But he was an American president! And I saw in a movie once that North Koreans might take over the White House, and only rugged Gerard Butler can save us! Oh no!
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That period where they tried to make the DPRK the go-to villain in movies was a fun year or two. What's especially funny is that in at least two cases I can think of (Red Dawn and Homefront) they were used at the last minute in place of the Chinese.
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For Red Dawn, wasn't it a condition of the film's Chinese release?
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Probably, you won't hear much complaints about china in general (or about tibet!) from hollywood people these days, because movies can make a lot of money there so long as you don't hurt the feelings of the Chinese people.
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Vagabundo posted:I read that the Red Dawn remake involves North Korea invading the USA. Does this mean America is doomed?
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Juffo-Wup posted:For Red Dawn, wasn't it a condition of the film's Chinese release? http://screenrant.com/red-dawn-villains-china-north-korea-schrad-106177/ quote:Around the time MGM first delayed the release of Red Dawn, a Chinese newspaper called the Global Times expressed concerns that the film would demonize their state and its citizens (thanks in part to certain leaked images from the set). Evidently, this may have been a factor in scaring off potential distributors who were apprehensive about what effect their involvement with the film would have on future dealings with China. Nope, they just chickened out! For good reason, probably. The DPRK aren't really credible scary villains either. They have an aging conventional military that's largely been contained, and it really strains credible thought to think that the DPRK would be able to mount an occupation of the western United States. Halloween Jack posted:We're more likely to be invaded by aliens and fight them off with battleships than to be invaded by North Korea. See now that's plausible
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How much does the average Chinese moviegoer know about North Korea's military? I can only imagine it seemed pretty silly to them, too. Nothing beats Keanu Reeves' 47 Ronin, though.
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North Korea to cut hotlines with South amid Kaesong shutdown They haven't huffed and puffed this much since 2013.
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Well there is a Party Congress coming up that Un has to look good for.
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Halloween Jack posted:We're more likely to be invaded by aliens and fight them off with battleships than to be invaded by North Korea. No it's just the godamn North Korean invasion from Homefront Red Dawn looping in my head. Also, the EMP from Homefront.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/10/asia/north-korea-army-chief-ri-yong-gil-executed/index.html quote:"It is another way for Kim Jong Un to show he is in power. He is still young, and still learning who is on his side and who is not," said Kang. Are these purges just the result of Stalinist paranoia or are there really people openly not 'on his side'? Which seems like a really bad idea.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Koramei posted:Nobody knows This. But the speculation is that KJU does not like these old folks that his dad saddled him with before he died. There's also competing speculation that KJU has already lost power internally and is more of a figurehead, with KJI's early death preventing him from having a suitable powerbase and the OGD's leadership is now in the driver's seat. It might also just be an internal fight over money and resources. Hell, there's even an extremely small chance that this guy really was a revanchist, factionist, traitorous whatever. So yeah, nobody knows. Or, if they do know, they don't bother saying.
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Thwomp posted:Well there is a Party Congress coming up that Un has to look good for. Does he really though? I mean, it's not like they're going to say anything against him regardless.
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Not completely unexpectedly, it appears that Kim is a Mac user. Should've just let Bush nuke him.
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Phlegmish posted:Are these purges just the result of Stalinist paranoia or are there really people openly not 'on his side'? Which seems like a really bad idea. probaly both. I assume he is either paranoid as poo poo or he is just joffery now.
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Juffo-Wup posted:
I can believe that. all my chinese friends dislike north korea, they see it as backwards shithole.
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Phlegmish posted:Are these purges just the result of Stalinist paranoia or are there really people openly not 'on his side'? Which seems like a really bad idea. Yeah basically nobody knows. These recent executions seem to be always guys who had buddy buddied to China (not really the govt in Beijing, but all of the resource miners and poo poo) and started a bunch of deals when KJI was getting frail. Whether it is actually KJU ordering this or just another faction that KJU aligned with is completely unknown. Despite what it looks like from the outside, the country has a lot of contention and separate factions within the borders. Cities far from Pyongyang will suddenly start getting treated like poo poo when Pyongyang thinks they are getting too powerful. The airforce wasn't aligned with KJI for a while, which is probably why he never flew anywhere, for example. In the end nobody knows because getting correct information is impossible. They can't even track who is dead or alive very well, I've seen senior officials get marked off as dead by people who's job it is to watch this poo poo because they haven't shown up at any meetings for 2 years then they'll suddenly reappear 3 years later in the same seat as if nothing happened.
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:Probably, you won't hear much complaints about china in general (or about tibet!) from hollywood people these days, because movies can make a lot of money there so long as you don't hurt the feelings of the Chinese people. I don't think "please don't have us as your racist Other to beat up" is exactly a large or unfair complaint. And no one gave two shits about Tibet, especially in Hollywood.
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computer parts posted:I don't think "please don't have us as your racist Other to beat up" is exactly a large or unfair complaint. I was going to say. Tibet? What?
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computer parts posted:I don't think "please don't have us as your racist Other to beat up" is exactly a large or unfair complaint. Racest other? Thats bullshit. It sucks that when we have a modern day war movie we can't actually have our soldiers fighting the next biggest military power. There's nothing racist about that, they are a more credible threat than the lazy fill ins we've had recently.
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Cliff Racer posted:Racest other? Thats bullshit. It sucks that when we have a modern day war movie we can't actually have our soldiers fighting the next biggest military power. There's nothing racist about that, they are a more credible threat than the lazy fill ins we've had recently. ... True, actually, when was the last time we had Russia as a villain? That dumbass Tom Clancey poo poo with the stock markets and a van-bomb?
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computer parts posted:I don't think "please don't have us as your racist Other to beat up" is exactly a large or unfair complaint. Oh boo hoo. Agreed that the russian villian needs to make a comeback. Harrison Ford up for a sequal? Air Force Two? As for Tibet: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100749313 Vagon posted:I was going to say. Tibet? What? Seriously? It wasn't that obscure of a thing. TROIKA CURES GREEK fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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Hollywood should probably just stop making weird, unrealistic movies which glorify war and demonize America's perceived enemies
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Chomskyan posted:Hollywood should probably just stop making weird, unrealistic movies which glorify war and demonize America's perceived enemies Speaking of which, when are they going to greenlight a sequel to Inchon?
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Chomskyan posted:Hollywood should probably just stop making weird, unrealistic movies which glorify war and demonize America's perceived enemies Counterpoint: war movies are entertaining to watch, and not all of them have to converge on "actually, war is hell" as the central theme.
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Cliff Racer posted:Racest other? Thats bullshit. It sucks that when we have a modern day war movie we can't actually have our soldiers fighting the next biggest military power. There's nothing racist about that, they are a more credible threat than the lazy fill ins we've had recently. No they actually aren't. There is more chance right now of the US fighting Turkish soldiers than Chinese ones right now. And neither of them are going to invade the US. TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:
I love that this article doesn't even name the two Tibet movies that were so controversial.
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computer parts posted:No they actually aren't. There is more chance right now of the US fighting Turkish soldiers than Chinese ones right now. And neither of them are going to invade the US. I'd put more stock in this argument if it wasn't used to justify replacing China with North Korea in both of the garbage products talked about in this thread recently. North Korea invading the western US? Ehh, suspension of disbelief. China as an enemy of America? Not so fast, we trade a lot!
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Cliff Racer posted:I'd put more stock in this argument if it wasn't used to justify replacing China with North Korea in both of the garbage products talked about in this thread recently. I'm not, I'm saying it's not an unfair request for China to avoid that jingoistic horseshit. Ideally the basic concept of America being invaded shouldn't exist because it's so far out of reality that it just serves to justify 2nd Amendment fetishists and the like.
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The real problem on the Korean peninsula is that American action movies and Call of Duty sequels aren't realistic enough. Someone should make a game where you deploy to the DMZ and just spend the whole game digging a poo poo trench in frozen ground. The twist ending is that you are so constipated from an all-MRE diet that you never get to poo poo in the trench. Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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computer parts posted:I'm not, I'm saying it's not an unfair request for China to avoid that jingoistic horseshit. An unfair request? No. An unfair demand that can be made because China only lets a certain amount of foreign films be widely screened each year and will dick over companies that do not follow it, even if they don't plan to release that particular film in China anyway? Yes.
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Cliff Racer posted:An unfair request? No. An unfair demand that can be made because China only lets a certain amount of foreign films be widely screened each year and will dick over companies that do not follow it, even if they don't plan to release that particular film in China anyway? Yes. It's only unfair in that other countries don't do it. Except other countries do exactly that all the time. Or do you ever wonder why we're not making movies about how the evil German Nazis are coming to invade America?
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